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I'm not a plummer
« on: May 06, 2021, 01:41:40 PM »
But I need some advice and recommendations. I have been fine with no water in the cabin for over two decades, but the powers that be now say we must have a shower.  This bathroom is only 5' by 5.5 feet. I'm thinking a 34 by 34 corner with curved from or neo angle front will fit okay, but what do I want for hot water?  There will be the shower and sink, and a sink in the kitchen. Thats it.  I have a near empty panel box, only a handful of circuits. An electric on demand is easy to install, as I put one in the polebarn, but it was a returned item on the discount shelf for 100 bucks. It worls good out there, but 2 small I would think for the cabin.  


Any heater recommends?   The shower has to be a kit as Pete built the door ad 24" wide.
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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2021, 03:18:35 PM »

My wife and I rented a cabin with the on demand hot water, it impressed me with how well it worked for the shower. If you aren't heating it year round make sure you can drain the lines out good.

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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2021, 03:23:28 PM »
Ive taken red solo cup showers up there for years and was happy. Now I am a co owner with 2 females. 
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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2021, 03:34:33 PM »
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Its not going to be cheap but you can"t beat a propane on demand.
Unlimited hot water female relatives should be very happy
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2021, 04:25:40 PM »
www.joolca.com makes portable hot water heaters for camping 
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2021, 05:01:49 PM »
  If you can find one salvaged from an RV camping trailer they are usually about 7-10 gallon and run on 120v electric or propane and are easy to drain.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2021, 05:59:55 PM »
My travel trailer had a 6 gallon propane / electric.  You did not take a long hot shower.....like less than 5 minutes.  When it gave up the exact replacement was in the $700 range......too rich for my blood.  I opted for a camping shower heater to replace it.  It is propane with a D size battery for ignition.  It supplies unlimited hot water.  I even plumbed it into the house during the major ice storm we had a few months back.  An on demand electric water heater will need a 100 amp circuit.  A residential on demand propane heater will have a nice price tag.  I went the cheapest route I could.

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 06:29:33 PM »
If you go with an on demand do some research, some can be difficult to completely drain all the water from the passages which can lead to irreparable freeze damage.

I ran into the same short shower problem in the motorhome. I wasn't politely glowing at the end of the workday. Since we were always on jobsites with power available I just got a small residential tank heater. Then set everything up to drain down easily.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2021, 07:03:22 PM »
I put a Marey 3.1 gallon/minute, propane, battery ignition hot water on demand unit in my cabin.  I am not a plumber either, but I consulted a master plumber.  I told him I needed to be able to blow it out easily. He drew this out for me on how to plumb it.  I just used pex.  

I just hook our well feed to the cold side with a garden hose fitting and it feeds the kitchen sink, water heater, bathroom sink and shower.  The hot water comes down from the hot water heater and supplies the same fixtures.  The drain is right next to the cold water feed.  Make sure to put a bypass in right under the hot water heater to isolate it and allow for blowing out.

I now just open all the fixtures and close off the hot water heater.  I have a little adaptor that accepts a air hose that screws onto the cold water input.  All the water is blown out the fixtures and any water in the line comes out the hot side.  The hot water heater has a drain that you unscrew and it drains out.  I lower the air compressor to 30psi and open up the bypass and blow out the heater.  It takes 3 minutes tops.  

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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2021, 07:43:56 PM »
Jeff, I am a little confused. What do you have for a water supply? A well? powered by electric? Or is there another source? Are there any water fixtures in the cabin now?
 What would be your thoughts on a wood fired water heater outside such as a stove with a coil or some such arrangement? I suppose solar hot water is too pricey, unless you rig something up as a home brew.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2021, 08:21:12 PM »
Jeff, In my sugarhouse I use a tankless water heater that heats up to 3 gpm at any temperature you want up to about 105, if you throttle it down on GPM, it gets even hotter. The one I use is an import. I'll give you a link, you can delete the link if you want, after you check it out.
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Mine is very much like this, every time I search for them I find different ones.They all seem to be made in China, but they do work. I've found if you set it up feeding cold water in the bottom and hot out that way (connections are all on the bottom, it's super easy to drain it so freezing won't be a problem. In my sugarhouse I use a small diaphragm pump, mine is 115V, but there are lots of 12V ones, (used in RV's). I just hook the pump to a clean water source, turn the pump on and Hot water. When done, (my sugarhouse is not heated) I just drain the cold in line, the hot out and it's ready to take the cold. It is propane fired, not intended for indoors, but if you vent it you will be fine. In the sugarhouse I just open the cupola and mine is set up mounted on the wall directly over the sink.
The pump I use I got from Northern Equipment, but those little pumps are available in many places. They come with a shower hose and spray wand.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2021, 09:40:38 PM »
We have a 20 gallon hot water tank that runs on 110 at the cabin.
Works good.  Lowes carries them.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2021, 10:27:16 PM »
Jeff, I would stay away from electric on demand. Go with either a propane tankless or an standard electric water heater.

Camper sized units are probably not going to be a big hit with your cabin partners....
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2021, 07:08:00 AM »
 I have an on demand propane/elec hot water heater $2800. :o and hate it. The shower goes hot to cold an back to hot every time the well pump cycles. I have it set at 124 just to get hot water to the kitchen sink. It takes 30 to 45 seconds to just get warm water to any of the faucets  >:(.
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2021, 07:48:52 AM »
I'm going to follow along with this topic. My wife has wanted an outdoor shower forever and we have a spot in a patch of bamboo, next to the garage, that would make for a perfect shower. I'm trying to decide if I want to dig through concrete and run a line from my basement under the garage floor and outside, or get a small water heater and only have to punch a hole through a wall and dig through dirt to run a line and hang the heater in the garage... It seems to make sense, in my world, to dig through concrete so I don't need to worry about another heater but we'll see. 
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2021, 07:49:46 AM »
We have a well, with a well house about 40 feet from the cabin. It has never been piped in.  My plan is NOT to make this a 4 season water supply. My reasons for wanting to go electric tankless are the same as magicmans. Propane is much more expensive in the u.p. and it may get a lot worse.  I am also limited on space. The cabin is only 20 by 30, although there is an upstairs that is never utilized due to access. A pull down ladder that nobody likes going up.  There should have been stairs, but there isnt.

What I really need is a Forestry Forum construction party with a real carpenter! Tammy's idea is to eliminate our bedroom and make it a stair/utility room and put our roo. Upstairs. Tammy only gets up once a night. In the morning. ME? This idea requires more plumbing.

We came home yesterday after 3 days of work. I tore the little bathtub out to make room for a 32" durastall shower.  I was going to start trenching from the well, but when I got up there, out of the blue I develop severe nerve pain in a back molar. I now have not eaten or drank anything but temped water for 3 days. Emergency dentist visits dont exist in our governor's state. I finally get in noon today.  Im a wreck.  So  no trench. Im going to bury scedualed 80 pvc and run my water line through 
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2021, 10:18:14 AM »
Hope you get relief from the tooth.  

The changes sure sound like they will improve your comfort and usability of the cabin.

Good luck on both accounts!

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2021, 10:32:12 AM »
And as you can see im not right. I was trying to post this in my plummer topic. Ill try to fix. Come on noon.
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