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Offline 47sawdust

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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2021, 06:33:17 AM »
I don't envy you the crawl space space work. As mentioned, something is always forgotten.
A patient helper to feed you parts or tools is a big help.
My wife usually doesn't want to be around me after a crawl space session.

I take it that an addition to house the shower/mechanicals is not an option, or bringing the water in above the floor.

After viewing the crawl space video that doesn't look too bad at all.
Good prep work, good lighting,good help and being well rested and you will be fine.
Wish I was closer. As a crawl space vet,with many hash marks,I know what you are up against.
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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2021, 09:35:25 AM »
From experience, another thing I can tell you about working in a crawlspace, is that you are about guaranteed to bump your head, and harder than you might think, even at a low speed crawl.

When there is not enough room for a hard hat, which there is not, a lot of times, I bought a plastic "skull cap" to wear in such places.  It's not as much cushion as a hard hat, but still a Lot better than nothing.

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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2021, 01:37:32 PM »
A hardhat to protect you from the floor nails.  Now that hurts!!!

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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2021, 03:04:53 PM »
Just remembered:  Mine is a "Base Coach Helmet".   Only cost a few dollars.  It's like a plastic baseball cap-lighter than a batters helmet.

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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2021, 04:26:53 PM »
I gotta hard dense head, so, it might not add and benefit :D
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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2021, 05:55:44 PM »
Finally watched the video, heck that would qualify as an apartment in Tokyo. Mamma groundhog has 2 new kits under there helping us dig at work, many hands makes light work  :D.
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2021, 07:10:20 PM »
Yea! I was pleased. Unbelievably clean for as many critters up there.
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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2021, 07:22:50 PM »
I'd go with black poly direct buried from the well to the cabin.  IMHO you're not going to gain anything burying PEX in PVC except added $$$ and time  :) :)
Greg, my thinking is since this is a 3 season cabin, and something gets screwed up and froze under ground i can replacdeit without redigging the trench. I have to dig this by hand and I know I cant get it that deep, 
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2021, 09:06:03 PM »
Make the pipe big enough to pull an electric wire through too if needed  ;) :) :)
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2021, 09:47:48 PM »
Foam insulation on top of the pipe in the trench will buy you a little bit.
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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2021, 10:08:17 PM »
A pipe inside a pipe is a good plan!

Our camp has a small well with a hand pump at the sink, the line is sloped back towards the well so in late fall I just disconnect the line at the elbow in the well and remove the vertical line with foot valve and the rest drains back to the well. It never seems to want to come apart at the elbow so I end up cutting it and replacing a short section, it would be easier if I used a different fitting at the elbow maybe a pitiless adaptor.

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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2021, 08:45:45 AM »
This is the heater we are going with. Similar, but bigger than the one I have on the polebarn.  Ive decided to go with 3/4 direct buried pex as the supply line and bury the pvc too as a future conduit out to the well house. There is already power buried to it.   The 3/4 is way cheaper and brass fittings from 3/4 to half cheaper and easier to find.

One thing I didnt mention is that the only reasonI am burying the supply line is, because we have to drive over it. This is only going to be seasonal water because the cabin is in a lonely deepfreeze all winter. If we go up in the winter, there is an outhouse.

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« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2021, 12:35:10 PM »
  With your water line project and trail project a mini excavator rental for a weekend would be pretty handy  ;)  Trench your water line in deep, place corduroy  in your mud holes and bail dirt from the sides to cover it :)  
  It's a three season place now but for the future :) :)  
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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2021, 12:53:07 PM »
There are no rental places close, i have a half ton truck. This is the east end of the u.p. i would have 4 hrs just in getting and returning anything, and as always there is the money issue.
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« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2021, 01:48:45 PM »
  I've pulled one with my 1/2 ton from Petoskey and back.  Pick up one in the Soo Saturday afternoon and return it Monday morning when they open.  They aren't too bad $$$ wise to rent.
  I've been redoing things around here that if they'd have been done differently 40 years ago they wouldn't require it now.  That's my reasoning behind new projects.  Do it with a view to what may come.  One of my big peeves is when my Grandparents had a new 4" deep well put in during the  mid 80s it was put at the end of the lane where the old rod well, pit, pressure tank and stock tank are 200' feet from the house.  It should have been put in by the house so the pressure tank could have been in basement.  No sawdust covering the well pit lid to keep it from freezing.  The water lines were there to fill the stock tank next to the well house and no 200' foot run of buried wire to short out.  One of my summer projects this year is too install a new pressure tank in the basement, new 200' water line and wire to the well, plug the old well and fill in the pit.  There are numerous reasons this project needs to be done now.  If done 40 years ago...
  Anyway that's an example and kinda explains where I'm coming from on improvement projects  ;D ;) :) :)   
 
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« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2021, 09:00:29 PM »
Wow that's some  water heater. Never seen an appliance that used 3 seperate power inputs to obtain  the 120 amp @240 volt input. I thought  the NEC would  only allow one input per appliance for safety reasons.  
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« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2021, 10:20:15 PM »
The 13kw that I installed is the largest water heater that uses only one 240v circuit.
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« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2021, 09:33:42 AM »
A couple comments .Black PVC in a roll has worked fine for pump  supply lines as far back as I can remember plus it's inexpensive . If you get freezing water or scald somebody in the shower when the pump cycles chances are you either have too small of a pressure tank or the tank is "water logged .Meaning the air bladder might have collapsed .
I'm not certain how point of use water heaters would work. If I installed one I'd go with 240 volt .The way my L shaped house is laid out the kitchen sink is the farthest point away from the water heater which is 40 gallon fast recovery. Takes a long time to get hot water .It's either that or a return loop with a recirc pump . Point of use in the long run probably is cheaper all things considered .
Now as far as winter storage. If you plan the plumbing in such a way as to have a drop below the water tank you could blow it out with compressed air then flood it with rv anti freeze most likely .If it will work on a travel trailer it will work on a cabin .
For hot water lines I've never used Pex at any time .Pvc is not a good hot water line but CPVC is .
As a side comment when I worked for a small plumbing concern in HS it was all copper lines and cast iron drains .Things have  changed a lot since the 1960's . ;)

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« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2021, 09:54:34 PM »
@21incher my understanding is that it is consecutive. 1 circuit comes on , if it doesnít meet demand , then next circuit also kicks in and same with the third. I havenít hooked it up yet so Iím not sure.

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« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2021, 11:00:01 PM »
Well, I'm commited now! The 20 gallon electric will have a cabinet built for it. The shower controls will mount beside the shower, which is pushed into the wall that is the back of a closet in the other room. I gained over 4 inches as that wall also had 1" cedar on it. You can still reach the latch on the window and open it, so its staying. The shower head will somehow mount above the stall. No additional holes in that stall, although it was designed for it.


 

 

 

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