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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2021, 10:52:55 AM »
Yup I was wondering about it and realized that you posted to the link that I shared.  smiley_dizzy
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2021, 11:51:45 AM »
I saw the post in MM's thread before seeing this one.

I would not rule out the RV water heater and a diaphragm pump.  We have stayed in a camper for 15 or so years when we visit our land in Va.  It has a LP/electric water heater and a 12V pump.  I haul water from a spring and we use a generator for power.  The showering is a different process than we use at home.   We will use the LP or electric if the generator is running to heat the water.  We will wet down turn off water, then soap up and then rinse.  By not running water the whole time we don't run out of hot water.  

In winter when we leave we drain the water heater, bypass it, drain the water lines and pump in RV antifreeze.  This works for us. We do avoid going there if the temps will get below 27 or 28 F as the camper water line near freshwater tank will freeze and then I get under it with a hair dryer to thaw.  Most of the time we don't go to the property if that is a possibility.  However, we are building at the site now and I do look forward to not having to haul water, run generator, drain lines, pump antifreeze and can visit when below 27 F!

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Re: I'm not a plummer
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2021, 12:12:23 PM »
A little tankless like I referenced is electronic (2 D cell batteries) ignition. I've been on the same set of alkaline batteries for 2 years. I have several things in the sugarhouse on propane, so I really have no idea how much it uses for hot water. In my sugarhouse I have a wall furnace just to heat 1 tiny storage room (under 20SF), a weed burner torch to light the evaporator, a 2'x6' finisher to heat syrup before I filter and bottle it and then the water heater. All of that runs about $140/year. It's all on a small bulk tank. The water heater would run a long time on just a 20# tank.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2021, 12:37:20 PM »
I started off with heating my H/W with a wood boiler only but after 5 years I got tired of keeping a  small fire all year so I added a 110v 20 gal water heater on a sturdy shelf above my pressure tank. It added $50 per month on my power bill.

Because I was using a mixing valve for the wood boiler I was able to increase the W/H temperature to increase it's capacity and still have 120į water temp. Without the mixing valve it would not be great if hot water is needed often, as it is sometimes you have to wait a bit for another shower. A regular 40 gal electric would be better.

In the meantime at the camp (no  electricity) we have a camping solar water heater shower bag, the sun does not usually corporate so we just fill it Ĺ with cold water and Ĺ with hot water from the kettle on the stove.


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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2021, 12:47:39 PM »
That is another reason for a lean towards electric on demand. We are there sporadically. Sometimes a month goes by and when we are there is is usually for a couple days, although gas prices and Tammy's retirement may allow longer visits now. (My record was a month bear hunting in 2010.) That means a tank heater either runs all the time, or you have to wait for it to heat once you get there. The tub that was in there worked well for red solo cup showers. Womenfolk dont like those.   Have a 5 gallon pail of well water in the tub, heat up a pot of hot water on the stove and pour it into make it shower temp. stand in the tub and use the solo cup to dip and bathe. 5 gallons will make two showers.
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2021, 05:06:16 PM »
  My parents camp in the Da UP had a 30 gallon propane tank type water.  Pilot light was lit when they got there.  Didn't take long to heat up, was shut off when they left, and easily drained for the season.  Water pressure for the place was supplied by a head tank in the garage rafters which was pumped full as needed using a generator to power the shallow well pump.  Other camps had head tanks in the reinforced cabin attics.  When real power came to the neighborhood they switched to an electric water heater and now have a deep well.  No pilot to light, just flipped the breaker to turn on and off.  Heats up fast.  Both were drained by running a hose out the door.  We've got an electric water heater at home and when we're gone for more than a couple days it gets shut off.
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2021, 05:08:01 PM »
You're going to bury your water line in PVC?  
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2021, 05:46:25 PM »
Use PEX.  Buy a crimp tool.  Life is way simpler using PEX  ;) :)
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2021, 06:24:15 PM »
If you go propane lock up the tanks. When I was young we had a cabin in the catskills and everything ran on propane even the lights. We had several  tankfulls of propane  stolen by the locals between our visits. Dad finally locked them in a shed so there would  be propane for the next visit. Propane prices around  here are up 30% in the last couple months and our supplier said its going  to continue  rising because of the cutbacks in refining gasoline which  most propane is a by product of. 
If you have enough  power electric is easy for anyone to figure out with just a switch. Isn't  the rule of cabins arrive clean, leave grungy  ;D.
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2021, 06:52:33 PM »
Our rule is if one person showers, every body showers.(Hey! Dont even think that!) :D The new shower is 32 by 32 seester leenda just picked it up at menards for $211 includes drain and valve.
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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2021, 06:55:48 PM »
You're going to bury your water line in PVC?  
Yes, 1" PEX from the well to the cabin, then 1/2 to what ever. I have a hundred feet of red and a 100 of blue. Gotta get the one inch yet. I have to go under the cabin under the front porch. There is no sidewalk there and it is just the fill between piers. That is on a footing, but only about 18" as I remember. HEY! I got video from under there! Under the cabin! I'll upload it.
I was dreading going under there. No one had been under there in a decade. At least. I'd never been under there since the sub floor was down. Heck no. Then, a few years ago  I saw a big snake. Poisonous constricting Garter snake slither into what I thought at the time, a place into the crawl space.  NOT ME UN-UH!. I'm picturing the place with shed snake skins, and spiders dropping in on ya from the floor joists, rodent remains, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE SNAKES! 
First trip up, the video where Tammy and I tell about getting the cabin, Jeremy and I had brought bug bombs up and were "Going in" to find out what we were going to have to do to get water in. The only access is through a place between the piers, that before the screen porch, had one of those galvanized window well retainers. Probably the smallest one they made it seems, and this had a cover.  Now, you have to peel up the indoor outdoor carpet and screen from the screen porch, and remove some boards that make a hatch in the floor then you remove the cover from the window well, and somehow squeeze in.  So, Jeremy and I pulled up all that stuff and looked in. A NEW BARRIER I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT!
When the crypt was sealed, little did I know Pete had built another panel of 1/2" plywood that went into the window well, and screwed to the pier fill framing. Nice. Really. Good idea. POOR EXECUTION. Pete put it in with Philips head screws and then stripped the heads out. Absolutely no where to pry or anything, so we had to battle axe our way through it. We had the thing open. I'm waiting for who knows what to start spilling up out of there.
I promised the women folk I'd get them seasonal running water. So, I'm going in.

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2021, 07:11:20 PM »
Careful crawling in those tight crawl spaces.  I spent some time under a 1928 church, crawling around like a snake.  When I came out, it was the first time I had ever had lower back trouble, and it took more than a week of doing nothing to get over it.   I don't do that any more.

The title of the thread reminded me of when I took the Plumbing License test in 1975.  I wasn't intending to get into any plumbing repair business, but wanted to know how to size pipes to go in the new houses I was building.

When we went in the test room, there was a sheet of paper, face down, on top of every desk.  We were told not to turn the paper over until the test began.

Once everyone was in place, and the time to start came, everyone turned the paper over.  It had on it.

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2021, 07:12:40 PM »
I'd go with black poly direct buried from the well to the cabin.  IMHO you're not going to gain anything burying PEX in PVC except added $$$ and time  :) :)
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2021, 07:37:05 PM »
I purchased an ďEcosmart 27 ď for our cabin. I hope to get it in next trip but Iím not sure since somethings came up that I hadnít planned on and didnít get as much done this time as I had hoped. If I do , you are more than welcome to check it out. They make different sizes. I put this particular unit in a buddyís house about 2 years ago and heís says itís the best thing heís done to the house. Used by 4 people.

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2021, 07:51:54 PM »
We used Marey on demand propane like mentioned previously for 11 years, D cell battery ignition and easy to drain. Except that one time we thought it would be ok, left home for a couple weeks and it had a leak from freezing. Soldered that shut and used it another 5 years before my solder fix leaked again(not good at it and not much room to work in there)

Just switched this winter to a different one, similar but has 110v ignition and exhaust fan I guess to actually be safer indoors where it is, and you can actually set the water temperature. The other style only gives a set temp rise, say 60* for example. So if your input water is 40F it comes out 100F, input water 60F comes out 120F. I canít believe that the wife let it go so long with having to adjust that stupid water heater! One of us in the shower yelling to the other to turn it up because the tank was stratified etc. Water comes from cistern tank so throughout the year can see some decent temp swings.

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2021, 08:05:41 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2021, 08:27:04 PM »
I have always heard...

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2021, 08:28:22 PM »
includes drain and valve.


I had trouble with the drain that came with the shower that we installed in an apartment, after a few years it would not hold the drain pipe in and leaked so I replaced it with a different kind, sorry I can't remember the details but I think the first drain had a rubber ring to hold the pipe in. I mentioned it to a plumber friend and he said that he throws the original drains away and puts a "proper" one on when installing a new shower.

One would hate to crawl under there more than needed! :)

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2021, 09:27:42 PM »
Yea no kidding, I would have never squeezed in there a year and a half ago, and never would of got out. Its hard to get out now.

So, introducing a video made whilst under the influence of of an exposed nerve in a Molar. Enjoy!  And you can see what I found down there if you don't get distracted.

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2021, 09:34:49 PM »
If I was doing the crawling I would make at least 1 or 2 added trips because I forgot stuff needed while under there!


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