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Offline John Woodworth

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2009, 10:17:51 PM »
As to the tranny fluid I put a quart to 20 gallons every third or forth tank, it's wonderful for keeping the carbon off valves and injectors,don't worry about over mixing it'll mix in fine, it's instant relief for carboned up engines. Scale your tank size in relation to the amount you put in.  had a freind tell me once if you put a cup of Marvel Mystry oil with fill up you will never have a problem with injectors, he ran his trucks that way till the day he died.
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2009, 11:20:50 PM »
Have a friend that delivers fuel, he says in Missouri, farm diesel and road diesel are one and the same anymore. He said he was basically told not to say anything about it being the same.
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 06:32:10 AM »
Here in Maine heating oil is still 50 ppm, on road and off road is 15 ppm.   I asked for heating oil and the company said they couldn't do it, it is only for home use.  They have a special truck and certain days to deliver the off road fuel.

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 08:23:16 AM »
In most places the only difference between onroad and offroad diesel and home heating oil is the die.  Offroad cost less because there are no road taxes embedded in the price. 

Any diesel engine built from 2007 on is supposedly designed for ULSD.  Older engines will need some type of lubircant additive.  Biodiesel has much higher lubricity and is a good additive for USLD.  A 2% mix will give you the added lubrication and will not have any gelling problems.

There is a worse development now on the market which is causing problems for diesel owners, especially those running biodiesel.  The push for cleaner emissions resulted in all the major diesel engine manufacturers adding a diesel particulate module in the exhaust stream.  This module filters out the particulates and then gets cleaned with a blast of diesel fuel as the injectors fire on the exhaust stroke periodically.  These modules clog rapidly with any use of biodiesel.  Bottom line - diesel engines form 2008 on use more fuel, deliver less power and are not biodiesel friendly.  It remains to be seen if these engines are actually cleaner over time.  the particulate is burned out with the addition of fuel so even if the engine appears to be cleaner after the burn the burn itself pollutes.  Diesel engines burning B100 are cleaner all the time.  Another case of the engine manufacturers attempting to burn a dirty fuel cleaner rather than acknowledging and pushing for the benefits of a cleaner fuel.
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 10:57:03 PM »
     i agree ,with the added cost of the engines 2007 or later and the expense of trying to maintane the exhaust system ,i run only class 6 trucks ,but i am priced compleatly out of the ball game , unless i can buy a class6 truck with a gas engine installed,or buy used penski truck no neewer then 2006 and change the box to fit my spec i guess i will be done my answer right now is to maintane the eqpt i presently have as long as possible  ::) ::)

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 07:26:38 AM »
OWW, that sounds like government control.  They want to have you only burning fossil fuel in your truck, no alternative, end of discussion. Maybe it is big oil in control.

The label on the Heating oil pump at the local convenience store says this product can harm your newer diesel engine.  Where is the warning label on the on road fuel pump saying it can harm older diesel engines?  Actually, I think there is a label saying it is fine to run in you older engine.  What's up?  If it needs a lubricant why don't they just add it in? 

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2009, 08:24:22 AM »
Well we all know the econ. sit. is not too good.  What if every body that has a truck or whatever  (skidder, sawmill, ) over 2 or 3 years old has to replace it.  Sure would be a lot of economic stimulas.  Tim
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 11:36:58 AM »
Well I hope the price of wood takes a big jump and lotsa buyers. Won't happen because , like farming they gotta keep the man that owns the tree in the lowest pay scale. Take crown wood for instance, worth less than private wood, so it forces prices for private wood down because there is less demand for higher priced wood. No obligation to buy it from private, although they cry about depleting wood supply. Which isn't quite true, they just don't want to buy it.  And some outfits still fail.  It isn't the cost of wood, it's hiring people who can't get the job done. Too many viewing forest management from windshields and computer screens, bad marketing, lack of innovation. On top of that, being hamstrung by regulation and certifications that your competition does not have to deal with. ::)
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 11:52:59 AM »
Additives=money no matter who put it in the fuel, AND evidentally that is the "bad" stuff the goberment doesnt want us using ::)

 As far as the heating oil damaging an older engine, sounds like rubbish to me. If it is kero, then it is "hotter" and from what I hear you gotta watch burning that.

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2009, 11:57:31 AM »
kero has less btus so how can it be 'hotter'. I thought the problem was viscosity with kero.
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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2009, 12:01:52 PM »
Some knowlegable Bloke I know just said "be careful", perhaps mistakenly, I  thought it was an issue of buring hotter. I do know, he recommended it for winter anti gel. I trust him, one of the best hands on "genius types" I know.  He could, build, fix, modify, fabricate anything on the planet.

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Re: Low sulfer deisel
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2009, 12:17:10 PM »
Off road and on road diesel are the same because of the ultra low sulfur requirements - they run in the same refineries, pipelines and storage tanks.  The refinery industry found the only to meet the new regulations is to make them the same (or build a new refinery) ::).

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Particulate filters are much more environmentally friendly than allowing the particulate matter (PM) to escape into the atmosphere.  The collection in the filter and the subsequent regeneration cycle turns the PM into ash which is much less harmful to lungs and smog formation.  The trucks did take a hit on performance with the introduction of DPFs but they are getting better all the time.  If your still under warranty, get your dealer flashs your ECM with the latest control strategy - this should help.  Some OEMs are up to rev 40 on ECM flash.  Everyday we're learning how to improve the regen cycle.

Remember things get even weirder in 2010MY.  Most trucks will have SCR with urea injection in addition to DOC/DPF.  Good thing is the performance should get better because the engines will not be relying on EGR to reduce emissions therefore they should breath easier on the inlet side - unofficially 2-3% better MPG.


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