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« Reply #7640 on: May 04, 2021, 09:35:49 PM »
NW, we donot get your prices but veneer is doing well , last little job was small walnut and I mean small as clear cut but still averaged $2130/1000 on landing so thats pretty good as lots were 12 inch or less in diameter
Oh..that's very good for material that small.  9" -12" is $1-2 for us.  Maybe $2.50 if really clean.  
How's the vaccine progress up there?  Are they opening back up.  We're planning visits.  Going to Alabama to see the Ponsse Bear cutting.  We'd like to visit Canada if it works out that the border is open.
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« Reply #7641 on: May 04, 2021, 10:23:27 PM »
I pay $150 / hour here for a detachable and non escort oversize.  
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« Reply #7642 on: May 04, 2021, 11:17:41 PM »
May need to pull the back 2 wheels or put it on a stretch rgn.  Big $
I took a pic of the lowboy that brought it down from WI so I know the make and model, etc.  I just have to dig the photo out.
Maybe a Trail King 

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« Reply #7643 on: May 05, 2021, 06:21:33 AM »
NW, I very much do not think the border will be open ant time soon , we are in lock down right now again and people are really getting upset , you guys can do stuff as we can not do pretty much anything , no travel outside your prov. , all marina boat ramps are closed so hard to get your boat in the lake to go fishing, no golf , zero shows or anything inside and outside . Vaccine are going but still pretty slow . Covid numbers are high here right now , They finally banned some of the planes landing from outside countries as in the last 2 months alone over 5000 people landed in Toronto that tested positive for covid 

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« Reply #7644 on: May 05, 2021, 10:54:43 AM »
Darn.  Well in other news, our client netted $8k/acre on the walnut stand and still have $8k/acre that we have left to harvest another day.  Slightly above average cow pasture walnut grove.  Rain yesterday afternoon and this morning was intense, no trucks for several days.  Guess we'll plant and data log and drop trees for a few days.
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« Reply #7645 on: May 05, 2021, 12:37:16 PM »
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thats a lotta cheese. 
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« Reply #7646 on: May 05, 2021, 03:54:43 PM »
NW, I very much do not think the border will be open ant time soon , we are in lock down right now again and people are really getting upset , you guys can do stuff as we can not do pretty much anything , no travel outside your prov. , all marina boat ramps are closed so hard to get your boat in the lake to go fishing, no golf , zero shows or anything inside and outside . Vaccine are going but still pretty slow . Covid numbers are high here right now , They finally banned some of the planes landing from outside countries as in the last 2 months alone over 5000 people landed in Toronto that tested positive for covid
Not even suppose to leave your community here. They are fining people from the city coming out to their cottages in the sticks. Pretty drastic if you ask me, I agree with all the other measures though. 
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« Reply #7647 on: May 05, 2021, 11:03:47 PM »
We have had 1 local death here, from the vaccine not covid itself. Been seeing the videos on Tiktok from Ontario of people not being able to buy clothes, sections of Walmart roped off, what was it 6-8 months prior to covid they banned assault weapons 🤷‍♂️.... seeing people tattoo their vaccination # on their body..... 


 
 🤷‍♂️..... 

 Forester called me yesterday, wants me out of town in 90 days, if I could get up the hill right now I would still be in the cab, just a stupid pile of wood to cut. 


 

 

 
 Borderline insanity but its going to happen, dragging the 648 in behind me to make the hill. 


 
 Honestly not bad wood. 


 its not a party till your at the axles. 

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« Reply #7648 on: May 05, 2021, 11:25:25 PM »
Someone really took killdozer to the next level.
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« Reply #7649 on: May 06, 2021, 03:14:07 AM »
Barge, they tried to ban assault rifles after what happened in my province(portapique, 22 deaths), Trudeau couldn’t wait to dance on them warm graves with his stupid gun ban shenanigans, even though the weapons used were illegally obtained, nah let’s just take them away from law abiding citizens instead, totally helps! Also pulled that one to hide something, something is VERY wrong about what happened that day, the RCMP messed up big time(they literally shot 10+ rounds into a firehall were people were hiding from the killer and then they just left no words???, and they never addressed that and those police are still getting paid), the word around here is that the guy was a informant went crazy, people had called him in before for uttering death threats but they did nothing because his uncle was a boy in blue. Sickening the lot of it really. It won’t go through, and if it does nobody is giving up their weapons(from what I hear anyway).

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« Reply #7650 on: May 06, 2021, 06:09:43 AM »
they all say that but theyll fold. 
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« Reply #7651 on: May 06, 2021, 08:13:57 AM »
Barge (or anyone else) I have been wondering, how do you guys buck for grade from a loader cab with a slasher? ??? That looks like maybe small heart maple on the slasher, do you just run it to specs without worrying, can you see better than I think, or only slash low grade or?? You don't have to give away trade secrets if ya don't want to but if it's something obvious I'm missing someone call it out please

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« Reply #7652 on: May 06, 2021, 09:04:17 AM »
@BargeMonkey what info do you have on the "vaccine death".  I just want to follow up on that.  What county?  feel free to respond in private if you prefer.  thanks.  Doc.
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« Reply #7653 on: May 06, 2021, 09:19:59 PM »
Honestly I haven't cut 100 trees with a saw in 10yrs without the saw, guys make it out to be more than it is. Grab them with the loader, roll them around and cut for the best. Here 9-10' is best, 8 works, 12' if its select-#1 or lower. No issues cutting GOOD wood behind a slasher. 


 
2nd bunk to the back is 8'6, 3rd is 10'6, 4th is 12'6, single post is 14'6", end of the tongue is 16'6", my other saw has bunks out to 20'. Only time I have an issue is cutting 8' on the nose for white pine pulp, maybe 1-2" either way. 


 

 only reason I plan to go circle saw is because of volume, delimber pounds wood to a barsaw. 
One of my guys got some nice Deere pictures today. 😆
 

 The funny part is we own 55 ? Pieces of iron, 32 are Deere ? And Nortrax wont give us the time of day. 

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« Reply #7654 on: May 07, 2021, 05:34:19 AM »
Barge (or anyone else) I have been wondering, how do you guys buck for grade from a loader cab with a slasher? ??? That looks like maybe small heart maple on the slasher, do you just run it to specs without worrying, can you see better than I think, or only slash low grade or?? You don't have to give away trade secrets if ya don't want to but if it's something obvious I'm missing someone call it out please
I used to buy for a veneer mill and bought a lot of it standing.  I spent a considerable amount of time marking the veneer trees before the harvest as well as where they needed to be blocked up on the landing.
A third of the value(minimum) is in how the tree is cut up.
I have watched in horror as a loader man with a slasher pulled a large tree length white oak past the cut mark and slash it past the cut mark ruining the value of the second log because of its size it they couldn't move it backwards.
One thing I have seen work out fairly well is cutting the veneer logs just past the first visible knot. Wastes some of the second cut but saves whatever veneer is there and keeps it from splitting.
Generally not near as much of an issue with saw logs but you are correct. The greatly increased production has a cost in recovery and yield. Middle of the road timber probably favors production. High dollar trees it very much pays to put a tape, calculator, and chainsaw to work.
I made a lot of money pulling 16' prime saw logs out of the pile cutting them back to 10'6"  because who ever blocked them found it expedient to cut the tree in half and toss it on the truck

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« Reply #7655 on: May 07, 2021, 07:16:30 AM »
@stavebuyer Very good advice.  We had come to the same place, but have learned that not only is it better to cut that veneer log off but that it is sometimes possible to make just as much money on a 9' log as a 10' log due to high taper in logs like WO.  Just pick up 1 inch in diameter.  Then you have a chance of getting a second log or maybe 2 or 3 upper logs.  Our issue is accurately measuring the diameter on logs on the ground.  Oh well, we're getting better but still have some improvements to make.  I suppose it also matters what veneers are being bought, WO is pretty flexible YP seems less so.  

Our WO quartersaw buyer will take 7' logs or even 6' if really large so the the math gets a bit complex.  However we don't touch barge's production.  
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Thanks all!

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« Reply #7657 on: May 07, 2021, 08:31:45 AM »
Honestly I haven't cut 100 trees with a saw in 10yrs without the saw, guys make it out to be more than it is. Grab them with the loader, roll them around and cut for the best. Here 9-10' is best, 8 works, 12' if its select-#1 or lower. No issues cutting GOOD wood behind a slasher.

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2nd bunk to the back is 8'6, 3rd is 10'6, 4th is 12'6, single post is 14'6", end of the tongue is 16'6", my other saw has bunks out to 20'. Only time I have an issue is cutting 8' on the nose for white pine pulp, maybe 1-2" either way.

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 only reason I plan to go circle saw is because of volume, delimber pounds wood to a barsaw.
One of my guys got some nice Deere pictures today. 😆
  
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 The funny part is we own 55 ? Pieces of iron, 32 are Deere ? And Nortrax wont give us the time of day.
See...32 JD machines and not the time of day.  Same thing here in VA.  JD sold me on Ponsse.
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« Reply #7658 on: May 07, 2021, 09:35:48 AM »
@stavebuyer Very good advice.  We had come to the same place, but have learned that not only is it better to cut that veneer log off but that it is sometimes possible to make just as much money on a 9' log as a 10' log due to high taper in logs like WO.  Just pick up 1 inch in diameter.  Then you have a chance of getting a second log or maybe 2 or 3 upper logs.  Our issue is accurately measuring the diameter on logs on the ground.  Oh well, we're getting better but still have some improvements to make.  I suppose it also matters what veneers are being bought, WO is pretty flexible YP seems less so.  

Our WO quartersaw buyer will take 7' logs or even 6' if really large so the the math gets a bit complex.  However we don't touch barge's production.  
You need a diameter tape, a 75 foot log tape has the option to have a diameter tape on the backside of the roll. If Im cutting poles or something and really need the accuracy Ill carry an actual diameter tape with me vs using 75 tape.

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« Reply #7659 on: May 07, 2021, 10:07:42 AM »
A third of the value(minimum) is in how the tree is cut up.


bam.  like x10.  read that sentence over and over wannabe lurker loggers.  over and over.


i have never been on a logging crew.  but i have had just enough fuel to get my load to the mill and then need the convenience store next to it to "cash" the mills check for a fee to fuel my way back.  the south is well arranged for poor people logging themselves to death.

if you wanna learn how to buck logs, throw away all your money and cut a few of your best sticks wrong.  stick that saw 6 inches into the wrong spot and watch the money you really really need, fall through your fingers. youll never forget it.

yeah, johnny logger can tell you all the years he's been a cutter and how many mbf he lays up and all that. the guy who has always been hired and paid hourly is not gonna have the same thoughts as a guy who is paid by the grade of timber he delivers. when you look at johnny's work with a tape measure, or talk to the scaler right after johnny drops a load of his bosses wood off and the scaler says 'that guy leaves $150 on the table in every single load and hes been doing it for years'  ... well  ...

johnny is more a man than i am but "fast" and "been doin this forever" does NOT automatically mean particularly good at it in every sense that 'good' can cover.  sometimes slow pays a lot more.

i will measure a whole tree 3x with hatchet marks and probably make 2 phone calls before i cut it, if its anything special at all because i found out i cant afford to log.  i especially cant afford to log wrong. i might as well just stay home and mail money to strangers because its an easier way to arrive at the same destination.
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