Will there ever be...

[ehp]

Yes, any tree has to be released by the by-law for you to cut . When I first came down here to log I hated being told what I could or could not do but after being here I can tell you this system does work and works well , You always are cutting big high grade timber and the timber grows pretty fast . And you do not thin the bush out to where the oak start growing pin knots . Cause I'm on sand the wood is very white in color and it brings a higher value than wood cut off clay ground . And because the wood is so white the demand is very high and you still got a job where further away on clay your sitting as the mills do not want it unless they get low on logs . You just got to stop worrying or thinking and go with the flow . They want it done their way so do it their way or your not cutting at all

[Hiway40frank]

Remember Canada is a socialist country. Translation-you cant do anything without the govt approval. I had a friend who lived up there and they would always be inspecting his home or making sure his lawn grass was cut to the right length.

[Jamie_C]

Remember Canada is a socialist country. Translation-you cant do anything without the govt approval. I had a friend who lived up there and they would always be inspecting his home or making sure his lawn grass was cut to the right length.

As a born and bred Canadian i can assure you we don't have a National standard for grass height and our houses aren't always being inspected. I would hazard a guess that your friend lived in a subdivision with a home owners association, those nefarious groups can also be found in the USA and are commonly found to be more annoying than useful.

[Ken]

Everything is very tight managed here, basal is very high and in some cases hard to cut as so much timber is left for next time which they want to be cut in 8 years

Although I would like to work in the high valued hardwood stands that you enjoy in the rich soils of southern Ontario I would have a hard time adjusting to being told what to do on my property.  Here in eastern Canada as long as you are not driving through streams you can do pretty much whatever you want to your woodlot.  Can't see that changing anytime soon.

[ehp]

Its just a county thing , and you guys know they have to do it or there would be no grade timber left . Not to many loggers will walk by a $1000 hard maple tree and let it grow , A lot of loggers think about today and not the future and that does not work

[chevytaHOE5674]

Its just a county thing , and you guys know they have to do it or there would be no grade timber left . Not to many loggers will walk by a $1000 hard maple tree and let it grow , A lot of loggers think about today and not the future and that does not work

I beg to differ. We have no such laws here and we leave plenty of nice timber. We generally cut marked stands that are managed for the future we cut the worst first and leave some of the best to grow til the next rotation. Leaving a decent residual basal area and spacing the stems and crowns as to promote vigorous growth.

[dustintheblood]

I just realized I have been around for most of what has been done to machinery. From heavy chainsaws that didn't turn much more than 6 or 7,000 rpm's to 30 ton feller/buncher. From 90hp pickup trucks that actually carried a load to the 1/2 ton 400 hp grocery trucks of today. From the days when kids mowed lawns to the lawn care services of today so jr. doesn't sweat. lol From when most of the roads where oiled gravel to the Interstates and Thruways of today. Farm tractors were 20 to 50 hp and got the work done. 3 or 4 TV channels and AM radios. Family cars with a 3 speed on the column. When it was safe to walk around Miami at night. Florida hadn't got the "Snowbird Bug" yet. Drugs were almost non-existant. A 440 Deere was a sensational machine. Deer carriers were used to haul supplies to camp. Things sure have changed. I guess some for the better and some maybe not so much.

Very well said       smiley_clapping smiley_clapping

[dustintheblood]

Its just a county thing , and you guys know they have to do it or there would be no grade timber left . Not to many loggers will walk by a $1000 hard maple tree and let it grow , A lot of loggers think about today and not the future and that does not work

Good, bad and ugly.  I've seen it in the foresters, loggers, truckers, mills, brokers, retailers and contractors.  Especially in the homeowners and landowners.  No matter what the rules, bylaws and regulations are, the bad actors will weasel their way into things.

What I find refreshing after many years on here is that good practices are noticed and commended. There isn't an undertone of working against nature or the law, but rather a true community that offers help and wisdom.

True that here in Canada (spoken as someone who's lived on both sides of the border) that there's a perception that things are vastly different; and in some ways they are.  However, so many of our basic principles are shared.   As Canadians we are friends with American neighbours and the same goes the other way.  This is significantly evident as we talk "wood-stuff".

[dustintheblood]

Its just a county thing , and you guys know they have to do it or there would be no grade timber left . Not to many loggers will walk by a $1000 hard maple tree and let it grow , A lot of loggers think about today and not the future and that does not work

I beg to differ. We have no such laws here and we leave plenty of nice timber. We generally cut marked stands that are managed for the future we cut the worst first and leave some of the best to grow til the next rotation. Leaving a decent residual basal area and spacing the stems and crowns as to promote vigorous growth.

Unfortunately EHP is correct.  We are at different ends of a big province and how things shake out here without some kind of regulation isn't always cool.  Just down the road is the fellow with a beat-up set of machinery that comes to peoples doors, offers some cash and starts-a-cuttin'.  He stops when he's run out of wood, or when his machinery breaks down.  I've seen him running down the hard-top at night with a wheel missing on his skidder, limping home from another "job well done".

On one hand we don't want over regulation or big brother, but something to keep the bad actors out of the woods would help.

The prime timber around here's been raped over pretty bad.  I'm no tree hugger to be clear (>25 years in the industry) and the 90's and 00's were real bad for the woods. Top dollar being paid meant lots of trucks rolling past with pretty wood.

Now I'm speaking of private lands here.  In the US, approximately 95% of forested land is privately held, but we're the opposite up here.  The shear geographic scale of our nation has provided us with Crown Land (owned by the federal government, but managed by the provincial governments) that is about 95% of the forested land in the country.  Management practices and the implementation of certifications (i.e. SFI and FSC) are required in nearly every management unit (with the exception of a handful in Atlantic Canada).  On Crown Land, foresters and loggers MUST do the right thing or they're out.  Plain and simple.

Thank you again to everyone who's weighing in on this thread. An interesting read for sure.

[thecfarm]

Yes,it has been an interesting thread.

[RHP Logging]

Its just a county thing , and you guys know they have to do it or there would be no grade timber left . Not to many loggers will walk by a $1000 hard maple tree and let it grow , A lot of loggers think about today and not the future and that does not work

I beg to differ. We have no such laws here and we leave plenty of nice timber. We generally cut marked stands that are managed for the future we cut the worst first and leave some of the best to grow til the next rotation. Leaving a decent residual basal area and spacing the stems and crowns as to promote vigorous growth.

Same here.