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Title: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 10, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
 Ok fellas, ive sawed up the walnut that I had laying around. It was dry, cut really nice. Had a guy wanting 300 bf. Told him I was out and would have to harvest a tree. He said that was fine, I explained to him that it will be very green. Again, he didn't seem to mind. So Sunday afternoon I took down a really nice walnut. While I was sawing it down, I noticed it was dripping. A LOT! Enough to soak the stump. Limbed out a 12ft section and took it home. Guy came out and looked it over and was excited about it. So here is my question.... being that wet am I more likely to ruin those boards? Or should I just cut and stack? And secondly, can I sticker with pine? Thanks for any helpful info....JT
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: ayerwood on March 10, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
Just a few thoughts I had.  In your situation, and it happens more often than I would think, customers are fine with green lumber when it is understood ahead of time.  All of my lumber is green and very "wet" when it is milled.  I properly stack and dry with no problem.  I have even sent stickers, free of charge, with the customer so they can have the lumber right away and dry it at their place.  If this customer wants the lumber now, give him stickers and direction(timeline) for proper stacking to dry.  If no rush for customer to take possession, stack and dry as you normally would.  However, when green lumber is ok with the customer, I lean toward sending the lumber with stickers with them right away.  Then you don't have to worry about the customer changing their mind and not coming back later with your $$$.  Its happened a few times.
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on March 10, 2014, 04:15:24 PM
Was the exudation only at the butt end, or did you see it further up the tree?
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 10, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
Thanks ayers, never thought of that! And Gene, it was only at the bottom. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: mesquite buckeye on March 10, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
Good old wetwood.

I have cut trees that squirt like a hose when you hit it. ;D
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: Don_Papenburg on March 10, 2014, 10:08:31 PM
Time to be making walnut syrup!!!
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: WDH on March 11, 2014, 12:04:17 AM
Walnut dries nice.  Hard to mess it up if you have good air flow. 

Like Red Oaks Lumber says, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW. 
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on March 11, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Quote from: WDH on March 11, 2014, 12:04:17 AM
Walnut dries nice.  Hard to mess it up if you have good air flow. 

Like Red Oaks Lumber says, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW, AIR FLOW.

R.O.is AIR FLOW.....HOT AIR FLOW.  :D
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: WDH on March 11, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
 popcorn_smiley
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 12, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
I have a building with a spot that I can stack wood in. No sunlight, think I.should stack in there and plug up a fan?
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: chopperdr47 on March 12, 2014, 08:53:02 AM
I had 600 bf of pecan stickered up in my basement for nearly 2 years before it was really dry. It being 2" thick was part of the reason. If you have a place to stack it outside with a plastic barrier between the stack and the ground and then tin on top might get it quicker. Thats what Im doing until I can do something different.
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 13, 2014, 08:51:32 AM
Chopper, you just put a tarp down and stack on top of it? Have plenty of tin to cover with. Its the tin im using for the shed roof
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on March 13, 2014, 09:14:49 AM
The tree gets a bacterial infection that comes in through the roots and moves up the stem at about 1" a year.  It creates very high MCs, an unpleasant odor, and weakens the wood from an enzyme that the bacteria make.  There is methane gas produced.  This effect causes what you observed when you cut the tree.  When drying the wood, infected wood, being weaker, is prone to checking and splitting.
Title: Re: black walnut..... Few pics.....
Post by: JamieT on March 13, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35194/IMG_20140313_182426.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35194/IMG_20140313_183606.jpg) Started on the walnut today. Im gonna attempt to post a few pics. Bare with me. The first pic is of my dad running the mill. He couldn't stand just watching! The next few are just the color starting to come out  it was dark when i quit  but ended up with a 12x16x11 cant. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35194/IMG_20140313_182444.jpg)  Ill post a few more later.
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: WDH on March 13, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
I love the way fresh milled walnut smells. 
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 13, 2014, 09:45:10 PM
Im partial to the cedar...
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: 5quarter on March 13, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
There's a handsome log. That's gonna give up some great lumber! Walnut dries pretty easy, but is prone to end splitting. seal up the ends and you'll be golden.  ;) Nice woods in the background, BTW
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: Left Coast Chris on March 13, 2014, 11:36:34 PM
Jamie, just curious, what HP and brand is your tractor?  My MF 135 is getting tired and I need to modernize.   Also, do you like it and how has the durability been?   I like the low profile and stout appearance.

It is amazing how important support equipment is. :)

Great looking log!
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: mesquite buckeye on March 14, 2014, 11:15:44 PM
Walnut is purdy. ;D
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: backwoods sawyer on March 14, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
Was milling up a batch of WRC along with a short fat black walnut that was on the mill when the control panel started shuttering and the head slowed way down and it was a slow crawl to the end of the cut. Hit six small cables that had been wrapped around the tree many moons ago, the short block got shortened, found another wrap of the cable, shorted the chunk up some more. :-\
I like cedar ;D   

Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: mesquite buckeye on March 14, 2014, 11:31:18 PM
I've seen cedar containing valuable recyclable steel inside as well. ;D
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 16, 2014, 08:38:43 PM
Had,a beautiful cedar log on the mill yesterday  got about 2 inches deep and giant black ants came out by the hundreds!
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: mesquite buckeye on March 16, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
Better than scorpions. ;D
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 19, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
I agree , better than scorpions! But they did a lot of damage to that tree! My dad thinks they are wood carvers. I have no idea. All I know is they messed up my log and I wasn't happy about it!!
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: mesquite buckeye on March 19, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
The story is they only chew out rotten wood. While they may prefer rotten wood, I have seen tunnels in completely solid (otherwise) logs. Sort of like the story that subterranean termites only work dead wood. I stopped buying that line when they ate down several full size and growing corn plants in my field and saw them tunneling out from healthy trees. :-\
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: muck on March 19, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
Hey JamieT

nice looking log and site.
I am ordering a HM126
this week, how do you like yours?

Its a big purchase for me so any thoughts are great.

Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: JamieT on March 19, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
Muck,
Congrats on the decision!! I love my mill! For what I do with it, it performs great! The customer service is top notch as well! Keep in mind that its just a hobby mill. Don't expect to go into production with it, but its a great starter mill! The only thing we are talking about modifying are the guides. I spoke with Neil at woodland about it. He sent me drawings of a prototype they tried. The guides work just fine, but I tend to get a little picky sometimes. Anyways, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the hm126!!
Title: Re: black walnut.....
Post by: muck on March 19, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
great!
Hobby for me.
thanks for the thumbs up on the mill.