Quote from: Skeans1 on May 20, 2024, 10:59:24 PMActually i cut a fair amount of veneer. No cull logs yet! As I mentioned several times most of the face cut is in the root flare and I bore cut a lot. No fiber pull. I can get a lot more of the butt log & less chance of fiber pull with a open face cut in the root flare than if I do a Humboldt cut into the "money" wood with a shallow face cut angle on the flat ground. And as I mentioned I'll use a humboldt on the hill sides. But that really misses the point. It's the location of the hinge that matters more than the face cut. If I can have that hinge out of the "money' wood it's the ground & clearance for the bar that determines what face cut I use. Did a video where I made a point of having the hinge in the root flare. The open face was essentially trimming root flare as well, something I would have had to do anyway. A bit of a time savings as often it's a pita to get to the part of the root flare once the tree is down and laying on it. About the only time I use either a conventional cut or Humboldt where the hinge is into the "money" wood is when I'm cutting tapped maple, cull wood, or fire wood.Quote from: weimedog on May 20, 2024, 09:13:16 AMThat's a good thing, a meaningful discussion of why a particular approach is used. On the flats, I use a conventional and have the hinge in a root flare if possible. Certainly as close to the edge to Get ALL of the wood I can to the landing. Can save over a ft per tree vs. Humboldt partly because to use a Humboldt I would have the bar in the dirt to cut that low. So save a foot a tree using conventional and My log buyers takes the measurement FROM the base on the veneer & trees where the face cut is out of the money wood. Adds up quick at over a buck a foot. Using the conventional on a typical 100 tree job is 100ft of timber. Also typically pine and other soft wood around here is less than 300 a thousand, so LOTS vs every bit of it is the norm AND feller bunchers as it's tough for a logger to make a living getting 1/2 of 300 a thousand on soft wood. Out west soft wood is the norm. Here Hard Wood with much higher value is the norm. Different techniques to maximize return on investment have been developed in both area's. Why it's tough to listen to the one size fits all and push for Humboldt's by some of the large high volume Pacific North West Canadian channels for anything other than pure entertainment and to see other peoples worlds.If I left a conventional face in a veneer alder log out here you'd have more then deduction you'd have a free cull log to the mill there's reason we do what we do, are you really gaining anything with a conventional face with a "lower" stump? How low are you cutting? If my sight cut is as low as the top of the face cut are who is wasting more wood?
Quote from: Otis1 on May 20, 2024, 07:28:11 PMI'm from the frozen north so I can only agree with the previous replies after looking up scarlet oak. But I wanted to mention that Virginia Tech has a pretty good tree ID app called Vtree. It will find your location and give you the common tree species with pics of the leaves, bark, fruit, buds, twigs, etc.Agreed. It's a great app. Think its called VTree
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