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Started by RKH Logging, November 24, 2014, 09:48:55 PM

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RKH Logging

The weather has been terrible here in northern ontario. We got about 2 feet of snow in the past 2 weeks. Then yesturday the big thaw started we got about 30mm of rain and now have a huge mess on are hands. I havent been in the bush now for a few days and Im kinda getting anxious to get back out. Since the weather has kept me from working in the bush i used my time off to give the skidder a good full service now that its serviced i would like to build a snow pusher for the front of the 440.  I would like any ideas on building one, pics would be great. I dont really have any road to plow,  just the landing and driveway. I dont need it to angle. I was thinking on the idea of a square box blade pusher more then the curled wing style. Like i said i dont have a long straight push its more just piling it. Pics would be great and ideas on fastening it to the blade.  Looking forward to seeing some plans thanks in advance

BargeMonkey

 I saw a guy who made a stone scoop and snow pusher off the back end of an old skidder. You could find an old 1 way plow and add to pin points to your fenders, up and down with the cable. Simple idea.

HiTech

I used a snow plow wing for mine. It angles a little. I have seen medium duty truck plows mounted on skidder blades. Most were 10 ft. wide. Something that would come off a 450 or 550 truck. If I am just plowing the landing i just use the blade on the skidder. That is 7 feet or more wide.

Nate379

Don't have a dozer at the landing for making your haul roads?  We usually keep a 750 around (around a D6 in size? it weighs about 35,000lbs)

snowstorm

if you have a long road to keep open and it snows a lot find an old vee plow. not one from a pickup the real thing. weld a couple brackets to the blade to pin it to then a chain to lift it. or a dustpan plow or a wing. if you could find an old  frink 10' dustpan it would work real well

Jhenderson

I'd build it like a brush rake. Have it slip fit over the existing blade and pin in place.

Skidder Kev

Take a look on youtube.  I have seen a few videos where they have made what you want.  I think it was a heavy equipment school in quebec.   

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RKH Logging

Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 24, 2014, 10:45:19 PM
I saw a guy who made a stone scoop and snow pusher off the back end of an old skidder. You could find an old 1 way plow and add to pin points to your fenders, up and down with the cable. Simple idea.



I never evan thought of using the back end thats a good ides.

cutter88

They don't work very well especially when there's no frozen base cause there's no float position in a skidder blade so there either digging in or off the ground iv saw a few guys try them just makes a meas
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snowstorm

why would any one want a snow plow on the back

snowstorm

Quote from: cutter88 on November 25, 2014, 04:44:26 PM
They don't work very well especially when there's no frozen base cause there's no float position in a skidder blade so there either digging in or off the ground iv saw a few guys try them just makes a meas
if you use an old highway plow and pin it to the blade it will float

RKH Logging

Quote from: cutter88 on November 25, 2014, 04:44:26 PM
They don't work very well especially when there's no frozen base cause there's no float position in a skidder blade so there either digging in or off the ground iv saw a few guys try them just makes a meas

My 440 has a float position on the front blade.

barbender

My Pettibone has a float position on the blade, too.
Too many irons in the fire

BargeMonkey

Quote from: snowstorm on November 25, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
why would any one want a snow plow on the back
I said that figuring dirty+easy. A small pusher or plow on a 440 maybe, we have a 10'6" large 1way that pins on our 544G i doubt my 440D would pick up or handle.
What about finding a large loader tire, cut it in half and flatten a bit with some steel, just hanging off the blade ? Seen quite a few of those made for manure pushers, would work on a header for snow.  ;)

pwrwagontom

Quote from: Jhenderson on November 25, 2014, 08:21:24 AM
I'd build it like a brush rake. Have it slip fit over the existing blade and pin in place.

This would be my vote...I've seen it done before, flopped around a little, but was easy to detach at the landing

-T
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chester_tree _farmah

Yeah quick connect. Some folks use chain on the top and this allows the blade to float. Listen to BargeMonkey. Careful u don't buy too heavy a blade for  a small skidder.  The blades don't have a ton of lift and that snow blade and framing is adding weight farther out. The cylinders have less leverage on the weight the farther out it is....
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BargeMonkey

I see 8-9' truck plows for sale all over, if you really wanted to get creative you could wire the electric over hyrdaulic pump to the skidder with the toggle and angle from the cab.
Yrs ago i had to road my 440D about 8 miles down the road to plow a long private road with quite a bit of snow. Made a path big enough for a 4x4 ranger to get up, out they came with a 300lbs dead bowhunter in the back. Poor guy died after coming in for the night and was in the house a week.  :o

chevytaHOE5674

Be careful with a pickup size/style plow on the front of a skidder, the blade/frame/springs aren't ment to have that kind of pushing power behind it.

Maine logger88

I have a old truck V plow that you can drive into and chain on it works good to break open roads but that's about it
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BargeMonkey

Quote from: chevytaHOE5674 on November 26, 2014, 09:20:51 PM
Be careful with a pickup size/style plow on the front of a skidder, the blade/frame/springs aren't ment to have that kind of pushing power behind it.
Youve gotta go a little EASY sometimes.  :D   unless  you got going like a fool i dont see a 440A  hurting a decent truck plow used responsibly and it could be built for under 1500 ? And have easy parts for it. We do 70-80 commercial snow accounts, it goes from truck, to backhoe to dozer progressively. I wanna know how big of a pusher i could fit on my 450C, wanna stay warm when im plowing my gas station out next winter.  ;)

Maine logger88

Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 26, 2014, 10:06:20 PM

Youve gotta go a little EASY sometimes.  :D 
EASY what's that word mean ;D :D
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RKH Logging

Ive been realy thinking about what im going to build. Ive done alot of research and cant find any one online running a box blade snow pusher on a skidder. I realy like the simplisity of the box blade idea. No trip springs, free standing when not on the skidder, plus very universal, i would be able to mount it on a backhoe or loader bucket if i need to.  Im going to build it 12 wide by 36" high.  This is similar to what i want to build. I figur i can build it for about $1100 thats sand blasted and painted. I got a guote for all the steal today it was $530 for 3/16 or $670 for 1/4. Then ill need about 20' of 1/4 wall 2"x2" square tubing. And i have a old 12' cutting edge. 

 

RKH Logging

Quote from: chester_tree _farmah on November 26, 2014, 07:45:09 PMCareful u don't buy too heavy a blade for  a small skidder.  The blades don't have a ton of lift and that snow blade and framing is adding weight farther out. The cylinders have less leverage on the weight the farther out it is....

Im not to worried about weight. I had a few frozen tree lengths in the ground yesturday and went to pop them out so the truck could pick them up. So i wedged my blade under them and started lifting them out and the back tires of the skidder lifted about 2 feet in the air before they poped out.

BargeMonkey

How wide is your 440A ?? 8'2" ? I would make it just a touch wider, 12' of heavy snow and your not going to steer, back end is just going to flop and chew. My big 1way is 10-11' wide  and hooks on my bucket, 32" on the low end and my 544G has all it wants to push it chained up. I just saw an 8' skidsteer pusher on CL for 800, they are out there.

rick f

Quote from: Maine logger88 on November 26, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 26, 2014, 10:06:20 PM

Youve gotta go a little EASY sometimes.  :D 
EASY what's that word mean ;D :D

About the same as " load lite and go often"
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Maine logger88

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Nate379

A box blade works ok for doing parking lots with light snowfall but not well for roads, and it's a real fight if the snow is deep.

I ran a 14' one on a Cat IT28.  The skid steers were almost faster with only 9ft blades since they would angle... like on a road it was 2, maybe 3 passes with the blade angled.  The box would be only 2 passes, but once it was full it just made a mess till I could get to a pile to stack the snow up.  Sometimes could only go 10-15 ft till the box was full.
Once the box is full the snow goes off to both sides.  End up spending all day going over and over and over cleaning up the windrows.

Quote from: RKH Logging on November 26, 2014, 10:40:50 PM
Ive been realy thinking about what im going to build. Ive done alot of research and cant find any one online running a box blade snow pusher on a skidder. I realy like the simplicity of the box blade idea. No trip springs, free standing when not on the skidder, plus very universal, i would be able to mount it on a backhoe or loader bucket if i need to.  Im going to build it 12 wide by 36" high.  This is similar to what i want to build. I figure i can build it for about $1100 thats sand blasted and painted. I got a guote for all the steal today it was $530 for 3/16 or $670 for 1/4. Then ill need about 20' of 1/4 wall 2"x2" square tubing. And i have a old 12' cutting edge. 

 

snowstorm

like i already said find a dustpan that was used to plow roads. most are pitch adjustable with the brackets to run shoes. set up right you can plow a non frozen dirt gravel road.

chester_tree _farmah

Quote from: snowstorm on November 28, 2014, 08:24:47 AM
like i already said find a dustpan that was used to plow roads. most are pitch adjustable with the brackets to run shoes. set up right you can plow a non frozen dirt gravel road.

Listen to the storm. He didn't get that name for nothing. I have been talking about adding a snow blade to mine for years.  To push my banks back etc. It becomes a priority ever year after we get hammered with snow. :-p
Everyone I talk to says find a small dustpan or wing and don't go to big. The big ones are very heavy. She is a little hard to steer with the rear wheels in the air.
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snowstorm

i sold a 10' left hand wing to a guy that put it on his fowarder. he said it worked fine. one of the plow trucks i have came set up with double wings. the left side wasnt used much so it was pretty nice. this truck came from up in the county and sometimes they would run with bolth wings. make one pass down the back roads and clear the whole road

chester_tree _farmah

Oh yeah. Some of the state trucks in Maine have the wings on both sides. It is quite a sight to see them with the snow blasting out both sides flying along!
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thecfarm

I saw a guy that had a wing on his skidder. He was cutting above me and I was clearing out my woods road with my tractor. He was walking back up the road and I was just getting started on the "plowing". He said if I would of known early I would of done it for you in no time. A flat bed was coming to move his skidder,so he had no time to help.
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BargeMonkey

Quote from: snowstorm on November 28, 2014, 08:24:47 AM
like i already said find a dustpan that was used to plow roads. most are pitch adjustable with the brackets to run shoes. set up right you can plow a non frozen dirt gravel road.
? Now im lost. ?  What is a "dustpan" ???

snowstorm

Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 29, 2014, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on November 28, 2014, 08:24:47 AM
like i already said find a dustpan that was used to plow roads. most are pitch adjustable with the brackets to run shoes. set up right you can plow a non frozen dirt gravel road.
? Now im lost. ?  What is a "dustpan" ???
its a one way plow usually but my 10' angles. maybe 25" high on the left and 55" or higher on the right.my 11' on my ih 2574 will throw snow 35' or more if your going fast enought. it will really send it out there. carl frink built a lot of them in upstate ny

BargeMonkey

Gotcha.  :D  we are talking the same thing, yeah i have one made to hook onto my 544G loader. Bucket tabs and 2 chains, easy on and off. No way my 440D would pick it, mines only 10' wide and weighs quite a bit. Saw a 544H for sale up your way, JRB hook up snow plow and wing off the side, now thats doing it in style. Our 644H-MH deere is about useless in the snow, even with the rock radial tires, we will plow the pit with it but thats it.

chester_tree _farmah

I now remember where I saw that state truck dusting it back on both sides. 295 north.  2 trucks. Left most truck had both wings down and the right truck further back had just it's dustpan and right wing down. They were doing all but the very right breakdown lane with two trucks. Doing about 30 with about 6 inches on the road and the snow was flying. I wish I could have video taped it but I was going the other way!
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BargeMonkey

 4-5yrs ago when we had that week of record snow fall it got to the point nothing wheeled pushed it. 450J went one way, 450G went the other covering about 60 miles each. These are the days you wish for a cab dozer.  :D

chester_tree _farmah

Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 29, 2014, 08:27:54 PM
4-5yrs ago when we had that week of record snow fall it got to the point nothing wheeled pushed it. 450J went one way, 450G went the other covering about 60 miles each. These are the days you wish for a cab dozer.  :D

I have no idea how folks live in Buffalo. We get hammered at times but we usually get a break between.  Can't imagine having good to plow every night for weeks straight. 
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BargeMonkey

Quote from: chester_tree _farmah on November 29, 2014, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 29, 2014, 08:27:54 PM
4-5yrs ago when we had that week of record snow fall it got to the point nothing wheeled pushed it. 450J went one way, 450G went the other covering about 60 miles each. These are the days you wish for a cab dozer.  :D

I have no idea how folks live in Buffalo. We get hammered at times but we usually get a break between.  Can't imagine having good to plow every night for weeks straight.
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