The phone rings this morning......I answer, and the man on the other end said David? Would you be interested in sawing some White Oak for me?
I said sure as long as it's not over a 30 inch diameter. He said...It's not......can I bring them over?
I told him to come on, I was at the mill already sawing another job.
Well he shows up.......I liked to had a stroke. Some of the prettiest logs you have ever seen. Thousands of Board Feet. 3 dump truck loads of White Oak! All 12'-6", all 20" diameter give or take.
Wants all of it sawn 2 1/2" thick x 8" wide.
I just sat down and called Wood-Mizer and ordered a small load of 4° blades. :D They're also gonna send me a 7° blade to try free of charge.
At the end of this job.....I'm sure I'll have my fill of White Oak. :)
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Nice! I guess you're new year started off on the right foot!
Your luck is better than mine.....
A guy down the road said he had a trailer full of sinker cypress for sale, 800 bucks. I passed.
2 weeks later, he asks how much for me to saw it for him. I went to look at it. It was not sinker, but blow down that was submerged till they got it. All busted up, full of hard pack dried mud, only two logs we almost acceptable. I told him I really did not think it was worth anything to cut, had lots of metal and mud, was most likey going to cost some bands if cut.Another 2-3 weeks pass, he calls and said he was in a big bind, the logs were dumped at his friends place, who later said if he did not come get them they were going to be torched. Said I could have them for free.
I say fine, me and a guy will meet you over there Sat. am to load them up, I'll take them and see what we can do. We get there, the land owner is pizzed about the logs on his place so long, the dang fellow does not even show up, we load the logs ourselves and leave.
I ruin 2 bands, dull another two all on the best looking log and that only decent log in the bunch had center rot so bad the whole mess is now on my burn pile....... The dang thing had a section of CHAIN running thru it...bullets, nails and a spike .
I wish I had your luck POSTONLT40HD,,, i need a break ! !
Can't wait to see the stock you make for him out of those. Give us report on the blade too, 7° hook are you also using the .055 thick?
Regards,
Jay
Great Job, I have used 4's on Dry White Oak with good results. Bought a box or 7,s and have not tried them yet. You are looking at about 140 lbs per each board.
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Quote from: Ohio_Bill on January 03, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
Great Job, I have used 4's on Dry White Oak with good results. Bought a box or 7,s and have not tried them yet. You are looking at about 140 lbs per each board.
8)
Hope you have a couple of stout sons named Jethro and Tiny to handle the offload for you! :D
Well, that is "some" white oak! :D You're gonna be busy for weeks. :) Will you charge by the foot, or by the trailer? ;D
Looks like a good score to start the year off right David. ;D
QuoteThe phone rings this morning......
well that's what ya get for being the most interesting man in the world! :D :D
seriously tho, that is a goodly whack of timber. man you're in for it. :) :)
good luck!!
Awesome deal there Dave. Nice way to start the year off pal
"ADD BOOKMARK" ;D
That's some serious BF! You will be busy for awhile. Nice score David.I like the :D most interesting man avatar
To answer a few questions, Woodmizer saw I was using a .045 blade in my records. I ask them the best blade for the job and he told me he would send a box of 4 degree and 1 demo 7 degree. I guess they'll be .045.
I sawed 4 logs this afternoon. So far I have not picked up the first board. I saw all boards that need edged and lay them on the HD lifts and then lower the lifts to the ground.
I then just saw my cant from top to bottom. Then I take the fork lift, drive it up to the bed and simply slide each board off onto the forks. Cake walk.
Then I back up and lift my boards needing to be edged back up to the sawing bed and edge them.
Slide those boards on top of the others on the fork lift.....not even a sweat.
The forks will allow me to set the boards on 6x6 runners on the ground, lower the forks and back out. No back pain at all. :)
I am hoping the 4 degree blade will allow me to pick up a little speed. I had to creep through the Oak with the 10 degree blade. Them some dry logs.
Quote from: redbeard on January 03, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
That's some serious BF! You will be busy for awhile. Nice score David.I like the :D most interesting man avatar
I don't always saw......but when I do, I make it a Wood-Mizer. :D Stay thirsty my friend. :)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on January 03, 2013, 06:10:26 PM
I don't always saw......but when I do, I make it a Wood-Mizer. :D Stay thirsty my friend. :)
:D WELL said David!
David
Seems you were also involved in a huge log deal a few months ago that was going to keep you supplied with tons of logs. Did that not pan out, or are you still expecting those logs?
Or am I missing something and be on the wrong page?
Quote from: beenthere on January 03, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
David
Seems you were also involved in a huge log deal a few months ago that was going to keep you supplied with tons of logs. Did that not pan out, or are you still expecting those logs?
Or am I missing something and be on the wrong page?
No you're on the right page Bros. Been. I was getting Pine logs from a tract just 3 or 4 miles away. We really have not had that much rain until recently. Now that the rains have set in......it is WET. Can't get anymore Pine until it dries up a little. :'( But I have plenty of Pine......I saw Pine every day.....it's hard to keep up sawing barn boards.
Quote from: clww on January 03, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Well, that is "some" white oak! :D You're gonna be busy for weeks. :) Will you charge by the foot, or by the trailer? ;D
BF
Did you scale it yet? I bet you've got around 9,000 feet there. 8) That will saw up pretty quick making those thick planks. I could use a steady supply of white oak. Hard to get any around here.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on January 03, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
Did you scale it yet? I bet you've got around 9,000 feet there. 8) That will saw up pretty quick making those thick planks. I could use a steady supply of white oak. Hard to get any around here.
I'm just measuring the logs as I go. The 4 logs I sawed came up to 200-211 BF each. The good things is, most of the logs are pretty much alike.
David, you will like the 7* blade. I have the lt 40 and saw mostly oak. The 7*s are all I use. Good load of logs ;D
Quote from: SAWMILL BUDDY on January 03, 2013, 07:58:02 PM
David, you will like the 7* blade. I have the lt 40 and saw mostly oak. The 7*s are all I use. Good load of logs ;D
Buddy, have you tried the 4°? I've never used either one. Just looking for a comparison.
They didn't do ya any favors by letting em dry out like that. I got some a couple of months ago that didn't have a trace of bark.
Quote from: Larry on January 03, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
They didn't do ya any favors by letting em dry out like that. I got some a couple of months ago that didn't have a trace of bark.
Larry , about ¾ of the bark is gone on these. When I saw them, it is truly SAWDUST. :laugh:
Congrats on the big job David. :new_year:
I'm also interested in the 4° vs. 7° comparison when sawing oak.
Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on January 03, 2013, 08:27:42 PM
Congrats on the big job David. :new_year:
I'm also interested in the 4° vs. 7° comparison when sawing oak.
I will certainly let you know Paul. smiley_thumbsup
My mill has seen its fair share of white oak. Loaded my first red oak on her about a month ago... Boy I sure could get used to sawing red oak! I prefer the look of the site oak though after they're both dry. And at least white oak pretends to be rot resistant. 8) nice score! One question... When people say that want all (say) 8" wide boards, what do you do when you have a 15" square? Cut it and edge 7" off of the board?
Quote from: hackberry jake on January 03, 2013, 09:37:28 PM
M One question... When people say that want all (say) 8" wide boards, what do you do when you have a 15" square? Cut it and edge 7" off of the board?
You done messed up. ;D Cants don't have to be square.. should have made a 14X16 cant, split it in half, stand the 2 pieces upright and cut off 2 8 inch per pass. First 2 boards might have some wane, stand them upright beside the cants and edge down to 6 inch... Not the best quality lumber, but more of it...
Yeah, if he only wants 2.5X8, are you cutting smaller sizes that you will keep/sell from the remainder of the wood in the log?
David, nice load of white oak. One thing really enjoyable about custom sawing is seeing different species of tree inside and out, at least for me. Look forward to hearing about results of 4 and 7 degree blades.
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 03, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
Yeah, if he only wants 2.5X8, are you cutting smaller sizes that you will keep/sell from the remainder of the wood in the log?
The misc. sized lumber he wants to keep also. He said just get what you can and I'll stick it in the shed. Misc. size lumber will be 1" x wide.
Holy Moley!
No more time to build furniture for you :D.
Nice score David!
Did they all look that good or have the rest of them showed up? I like white oak and post oak as they have fewer surprises than red oaks and black oaks do around here.
When you get done sawing them you will probably put some green pine or almost anything on and be amazed how easy it saws.
''They will gladly yeild to the blade of The Most interesting Man In The World.
I love it when I get calls like that.
PC
I am going to guess that there is about 3500-4000 bf on that load in the pic so if the other two loads are the same then you are looking at 10500-12000 bf of lumber. That should keep you out of trouble for a week or so. ;D
Somebody is gonna need a whack of stickers!
david, sounds like a very reasonable fellow you are dealing with. If I understand what you said, I believe that would be the approach I would take as well. Take some 1" off the sides getting to the cant size. Happy for you, enjoy! 8) david
What a great load of logs! Please do let us know the difference between 7s and 4s. Good luck with em, Brian
now that is a whack of logs alright.... its going to make a heck of a pile of lumber...
David, I have not used the 4* blades I guess I should. Anyway you better get to sawing. :D
david looks like you had your hog jawl,kraut and blackeyed peas for the new year
tj :D :D :D
Quote from: tjhammer on January 04, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
david looks like you had your hog jawl,kraut and blackeyed peas for the new year
tj :D :D :D
musteat_1
White oak is purdy!! I just sawed some today, I thought it was a BIG WHACK, then I saw this post....... now my WHACK seems WACK. :-\
A couple of the logs I milled today had almost no tension in them. I've noticed that with white oak a couple time. Maybe just a coincidence?
Why wouldn't you want to mill any over 30" Are you AFRAID!?!?!?!!! :o
If they get that big just send them down to Danny and I. ;D
Quote from: customsawyer on January 04, 2013, 07:34:06 PM
If they get that big just send them down to Danny and I. ;D
How about bring that BIG 'OL 70 up here and knock'em out for me.
I'll feed you and Danny good. :)
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on January 04, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Why wouldn't you want to mill any over 30" Are you AFRAID!?!?!?!!! :o
All right, sit down Jack and listen. :D
I have sawed nothing but Pine, Pine, Pine. I love sawing Pine. I do saw a little bit of Cherry when I'm lucky enough to get some. I also saw a good bit of Cedar and a little Walnut......but mostly PINE.
I have sawn Red Oak and White Oak. I have only used the 10 degree blade.
I really need to give the 4 degree blades a chance. They will probably change my mind about sawing Oak.
I have sawn quite a few White Oaks 33 inches. But with a 10 degree blade and the head that high in the air, and having to creep on a 20" wide cant because the 10 degree want pull the sawdust out fast enough.......WELL IT JUST GETS TIME CONSUMING AND BORING. >:(
My Dad always said.....use the right tool for the job and you will have a more enjoyable time.
So I'm gonna use the right blade for the job and see how I like it then.
I'm outta breath now Jack. :D :) :) :)
David, I have much to learn, but have found that the 7 degree works on everything, even the white oak thats been around awhile. Post oak is a bear when it get dried out but doable. Wide is a stuggle at times,(24") there abouts, but after a few cuts much more managable. Acccept the allowable tolerance for thick and thin and let it go. Try the 7's you will like. david
I have no knowledge of which is better, 4 0r 7.
All I knew to do was ask the guy at WM. He suggested the 4's and will send me 1 7° blade.
Will I be able to saw faster than a creep with the 4's? Gosh I hope.....I ordered a whole box. :D
they are the pro's, all I know is what I do, I have cut a pile of white oak, big stuff, old stuff, and firewood. I like the 7's just me, they seem perfect for my setup. and they just kill the pine ;D
Quote from: drobertson on January 04, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
and they just kill the pine ;D
Hum......Pine season just came in last week and I got 4 Long leaf tags. ;D
:D I thought about that after I wrote it ;D only you would think that way 8) If I must, the 7's really do a great job on pine logs, mainly because they cut so fast and just kill those pesky knots 8)
All this talk of sawing big, dry white oak brings back nightmares. Ya'll set here at the computer discussing blade thickness, degree of tip etc. And maybe get a little antsy about putting that big white oak log on the mill because it might be a little tough to saw.
Try sawing some 20" dry white oak with a manual LT30 with a 14HP engine using .035 blades with 10 degree angle. You may ask, "Now why would you even attempt that and by the way where do you get .035 blades?"
Answer, year 1984, only blades available for 14HP mill. AND, we set blades with a little hand setter, no guages, and the sharpener was a small manual that you could only grind the face of the tooth.
I still remember sawing that day. Seemed like it took an hour to go from one end of log to another. Waves, almost got seasick on a couple of the boards. Luckily the wood was for farm lumber.
Although still challenging, difference is like flying in a jet compared to hopping a ride with the Wright Brothers.
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Quote from: Delawhere Jack on January 04, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Why wouldn't you want to mill any over 30" Are you AFRAID!?!?!?!!! :o
All right, sit down Jack and listen. :D
I have sawed nothing but Pine, Pine, Pine. I love sawing Pine. I do saw a little bit of Cherry when I'm lucky enough to get some. I also saw a good bit of Cedar and a little Walnut......but mostly PINE.
I have sawn Red Oak and White Oak. I have only used the 10 degree blade.
I really need to give the 4 degree blades a chance. They will probably change my mind about sawing Oak.
I have sawn quite a few White Oaks 33 inches. But with a 10 degree blade and the head that high in the air, and having to creep on a 20" wide cant because the 10 degree want pull the sawdust out fast enough.......WELL IT JUST GETS TIME CONSUMING AND BORING. >:(
My Dad always said.....use the right tool for the job and you will have a more enjoyable time.
So I'm gonna use the right blade for the job and see how I like it then.
I'm outta breath now Jack. :D :) :) :)
Gotcha!!! :)
(You're right, the big stuff can be a real bear to deal with).
I saw mostly pine myself. I just got some 7 degree blades and sawed some oak and poplar. both older and dry and was amazed! I really like em. looking forward to trying the 4s. I cant wait to see some pics of all that oak stacked up. I'm drooling just thinking about it. Im headed out to cut more poplar in just a few minutes but will be checking in to see your progress POSTON, keep us updated!Brian
Will the 25 HP LT 15 handle a 7 degree blade? The question is is (RIP Tom) there enough HP to do an adequate job with A 7 degree blade?
Gday
Dave looks like a pretty good gig you have going there with the oak and you will find it alrite going but im with you on Loving sawing Pine Mate ;) ;D ;D 8) 8)
Danny Im running a TK B-20 and running 7s in some pretty tough going in dry recycled hardwood beams and such but they saw well with the 30hp im running on that mill and i can also turn around and run Cypress on the same saws too so I would not see any dramas with running them on the LT15 Mate ;)
Rgards Chris
I've sawn 67 boards 2-1/4" x 8" wide. Getting about 8-9 boards per log with a few 1" mics. lumber. The good thing I have had going for me, most of the logs do not have knots on them. This had helped when using the 10° blade. Until the 4 ° blades get here, I just pick out the best logs to saw, I still saw slow with the 10° but with out the knots, the finish is smoother. The customer picked the first load up yesterday. Took 2 trips with the trailer he had.
A lot of customers load their boards by hand.....Buddy said he wasn't gonna touch them....Just put the forks under them and dump them on the trailer. :) Sure makes it easier that way.
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Nice pics , but no snow, your missing all the fun :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 06, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
Nice pics , but no snow, your missing all the fun :D :D :D
Don't put a jinx on me Peter and mention Snow. I hate cold weather. :)
POSTONLT40HD, this customer is going to properly stack and sticker them correct?
I hate it too. ;D But there are fewer bugs at 20° and fewer people too. :D
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 06, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
POSTONLT40HD, this customer is going to properly stack and sticker them correct?
These are going directly for bed boards.
He is a contractor that clears land. These logs came from when the Sports Academy was built in my town.
I asked him after he got all his trucks and trailers bedded was he going to sticker it under a shed.
he said no....not stickered. It will be stored out of the weather though.
I can remember when I was young, my Dad bought some lumber sawn from dried White Oak logs. He bought 2 x 10's for a cattle corral. He stored them for 3 years just plained stacked out of the weather before he built the corral. It never made ay difference.
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 06, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
POSTONLT40HD, this customer is going to properly stack and sticker them correct?
Brad....you have a good question and our love for wood is what justified your question. A many of times I have asked the same question to customers......"You are going to stack and sticker it?"
I'm gonna tell ya a little about some people in the South. :D
The guy this White Oak belongs to does nothing but clear land for development. His business is based on time-lines and money.
If I sell $800.00 worth of barn lumber in 1 afternoon.....I am tickled to death.
If he thought he was going to make $800.00 in 1 afternoon.....he would not show up for work. :D
The only wood he cares about is White Oak for bed boards.
Last year he said he pushed 10,000 BF of Black Walnut in the swamp just to get it out of the way for a business to be built.
His thinking is not just his way.....this goes on everywhere. I have seen 20" Maples and Cherry burning in a pile just to get ready for Wal-Mart.
I can't buy this wood. My top price would not justified him bringing all his logs to me. He would be loosing money according to his thinking.
In fact, after I saw all the White Oak he brought.....I'm like, "Have you got that many trucks and trailers to bed?" He said no but I'll just stack the rest in the barn....I'll probably never use it.
So in short....people like this do not care about lumber the way we do.
But again Brad, you had a good question.....just the wrong customer. :D
I sawed Red/White Oak that had been removed from a highway ROW for a road building contractor. It was all sawed 2"X12" with some narrower for a lowboy. They re-floored all of their trailers, and as far as I know, the excess was dead stacked and rotted. Since their only cost was the actual sawing, they were not worried about it.
Quote from: Magicman on January 06, 2013, 04:11:21 PM
I sawed Red/White Oak that had been removed from a highway ROW for a road building contractor. It was all sawed 2"X12" with some narrower for a lowboy. They re-floored all of their trailers, and as far as I know, the excess was dead stacked and rotted. Since their only cost was the actual sawing, they were not worried about it.
This is exactly what I'm talking about Magic. smiley_thumbsup The care for lumber is not their concern......as there is a ton of it just around the next corner.....for them.
Hey, David, I see you saw pine. I had no experience with pine ... none ... until a couple of weeks ago when a neighbor called and asked if I wanted some from a tree that blew over in a windstorm. I didn't have any (even though the shed is so full of hardwoods drying I hardly have room to work now! ... what was I thinking, anyway?), so I said Sure. Well, I ended up with the stickiest mess I've ever seen -- spent most of the next day with Goo-Gon cleaning pulleys, belts, blades, and about everything else on the mill. Was using water/dish soap mix trying to keep things clean, but I think a garden hose wouldn't have made any difference. Are there "pines" that shouldn't be messed with? Do they need to dry for xx amount of time? I'm not "pining" ;D to saw a pine ever again! Any advice would be appreciated!
Pete
It's nothing to pine about Sawyer -Brown. smiley_cry :D
There was another thread about this the other week.
My favorite condition to saw a Pine is when the bark is just beginning to release and the logs has dried for a long while off the ground.
However, when a customer brings in green, sappy Pine and he needs it A.S.A.P.....sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do.
When I saw green Pine, I wear an apron so as not to sap up my clothes, but it still gets everywhere else. :D And a lot of times, I have cleaned places on the mill with Diesel Fuel.
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Quote from: Magicman on January 06, 2013, 04:11:21 PM
I sawed Red/White Oak that had been removed from a highway ROW for a road building contractor. It was all sawed 2"X12" with some narrower for a lowboy. They re-floored all of their trailers, and as far as I know, the excess was dead stacked and rotted. Since their only cost was the actual sawing, they were not worried about it.
This is exactly what I'm talking about Magic. smiley_thumbsup The care for lumber is not their concern......as there is a ton of it just around the next corner.....for them.
Yep, y'all just saw em and leave em :).
It don't snow in sc david :D ;D
I had some trailer flooring cut from fresh sawn post oak back in july that was dead stacked and banded ready for pick up and they never picked it up. I sold it in December to another party who said when they unstacked it there was no rot or mold.
I was suprised about that too. PC