TJ 380B INFO ??

[RunningRoot]

I had recently decided to keep my C4 and started fixing it up..

But i found a DEAL on a non running 380B dual arch grapple... The thing is its not running and the owner knows nothing about it, he got it in a business buy out... Its a 94 model and looks to be in great shape !
I can replace the motor if need be for 2k or less... But what would a tranny rebuild cost if it needed it ? With me doing all the labor of course... What tranny do they have in em ?

Trying to weigh the risk...
But this is a Nice skidder and I can part it out for more than I'll be giving for it?

[lopet]

Decent rubbers could be worth something, but a not running skidder gotta be really cheap. Even if you think about salvage it you have to consider your time.
Don't know much about 380 B s , but when the owner doesn't know anything about it, red flags should go up.

[treeslayer2003]

meh, the way i look at it, the trans must been ok for the engine to go......never seen both go at once. i believe they have a clark trans but could be wrong.

[lynde37avery]

How much he want for the 380?

[ga jones]

If it's a 94 it is a C it should be green and most likely has a Deere winch. Clark transmission. 15000 total rebuild for the Clark transmission.

[RunningRoot]

If it's a 94 it is a C it should be green and most likely has a Deere winch. Clark transmission. 15000 total rebuild for the Clark transmission.

Ga.....
I must be wrong about the year then... I know it's a B and it is actual TJ...
I look into the exact year

[so il logger]

Theyr'e tough machine's but proceed with caution and get it as cheap as possible. The engine is minor but the transmission is a whole other topic. And there are thing's that could have been going on with the trans while it still ran. Pic's would be great if you can get some. Does it have a junkmatic winch or eaton? I think some came with hercules as well. All in all if the trans is good then you will love the performance of the 380 if it's anything like my 450C ;)

[ga jones]

What motor was in it. 453 or 6bt cummins stick steer?

[RunningRoot]

6bt Cummins and steering wheel

[ForestFox]

As a buyer you should assume the worst and then you can only be pleasantly surprised, not the opposite! You should also assume the seller knows more than you about the machine, and is not sharing all he knows with you. This is just the way business works. You put your money down, you roll the dice, and hope you guessed right even by doing the due diligence. A non running machine is always a big question mark, unless you were there when it stopped running.
Good luck with the due diligence part!

[coxy]

As a buyer you should assume the worst and then you can only be pleasantly surprised, not the opposite! You should also assume the seller knows more than you about the machine, and is not sharing all he knows with you. This is just the way business works. You put your money down, you roll the dice, and hope you guessed right even by doing the due diligence. A non running machine is always a big question mark, unless you were there when it stopped running.
Good luck with the due diligence part!

around these parts of ny an older tj 208-225- 230 not running will go for 5-9k all day long

[RunningRoot]

That's my reasonable thought process by behind this deal.... I can part it out and get my money back, I will only have 8k in it to get it to my front door

[Ohio_Bill]

That's my reasonable thought process by behind this deal.... I can part it out and get my money back, I will only have 8k in it to get it to my front door

sounds like a good plan and a risk i would be willing to take .also the older you get the more you will like the grapple.i assume it has a winch also.
good luck with your deal.

[ga jones]

If you are sitting in the seat. Behind your head above the rear window is the serial number it will tell the year and model. Is it green or orange? There is a year stamped in the frame on passenger side behind the cab in the v near the center pin also.if it is steering wheel and its green it has to be a C.1992 was the last year for orange.

[lopet]

That's my reasonable thought process by behind this deal.... I can part it out and get my money back, I will only have 8k in it to get it to my front door

What size of rubber and what's left on it ?

[RunningRoot]

 

 

[RunningRoot]

 

 

[so il logger]

After seeing the pics I would be writing a check if you can get it for 8K. Nice straight tractor

[lopet]

Sorry guys, but i don't know how you can put 8K value on this skidder with not knowing, what it needs to get going. ???
I only see one decent rubber on the front left, the other ones look pretty worn. Other than the motor some of the other component could be seized hydraulics, transmission or have failed. Also don't see that much in it in parts, but that's just me.
You must have a wild market for skidder parts in your neck of the wood.
If you don't wanna risk your shirt put a number on the four wheels and the rest is so much a pound. The seller might not go for that , but he will end up with that some day.

[ga jones]

I know in this neck of the woods there's at Least 8000.0 in parts there! The doors alone are a 1000 for the pair.sheet metal is straight.

[so il logger]

Yes GA jones, well worth 8k. IMO looks to be straight nice old machine. I would for sure take a gamble, and it looks to have been taken care of so i would bet it won't be a parts machine at all. I could be wrong but I personally would jump at it

[coxy]

the tires are worth a grand a piece  at least here anyway  the blade another grand the rears at least 2grand the hydro parts at least another grand the front cradle another grand     theres your money back    I would try to fix it and run it or sell/trade it      good luck       

[ga jones]

Yes I've seen 23.1 tires sell for 250. bald as bald can be.

[RunningRoot]

I'm just worried of getting it home and finding out the transmission main shaft is in 3 pieces or something...
if georgia jones is right and it takes 15,000 to rebuild the transmission and another 2 to 3000 for a engine swap it would be a while before she was running as I cant afford to put 20,000 dollars in it after putting close to 10 in it to get it here...  that would make 30,000 dollars invested a  man can buy a nice running machine for 30,000 dollars

[Remle]

The only way I would buy it is with the provision that it runs and moves at that price, it's doubtful that the engine and transmission are both bad, not that your going to walk away from the deal, but spending a day getting it running or trying to will provide you with a great amount of information to determine necessary repair cost. Worst case is you loose a days time, but save thousands in $$$. If the owner refuses the deal to try to start it it's a pig in a poke.. and only worth scrap value. Yes the parts are worth more than scrap, but you have to tie up your money for who knows how long before you get it back.

[ga jones]

Yes I would spend a day getting it running.it isn't seized up is it?

[RunningRoot]

I don't believe its seized up... But it is missing the injection pump( only thing missing). And my though process is this.... What if the tranny went, then they parked it because of cost to fix and then robbed it for the injection pump... He did say they had two of these skidders, was told they sold the other one running...

[RunningRoot]

And.....

how hard would it be to throw a manual transmission in it? As I know I could obtain a manual transmission a lot cheaper than fixing the power shift if it wound up needing it

[ga jones]

There isn't any transfer case. The transmission does it all winch shaft drive shafts. It would be a monumental job to change it. Why don't u price a good known used transmission from the junkyard just to see.ww tractor. Golden rule here in pa.

[ga jones]

There's a large forestry junkyard in Indiana I can't remember the name someone here probably knows. They maybe closer to u

[Autocar]

Try Schafers at Wolf Lake Illinois I believe there number is 618-833-5498 and ask for Andy they have about eerything.

[Polish Hammer]

I don't believe its seized up... But it is missing the injection pump( only thing missing). And my though process is this.... What if the tranny went, then they parked it because of cost to fix and then robbed it for the injection pump... He did say they had two of these skidders, was told they sold the other one running...

I dont believe some one would go threw the trouble of taking one injection pump of another engine to try on another, do to the fact you get a core on a rebuilt. unless they knew that machine was not going to be used again. They are leaving out alot of information. unless you picked this up for half that price say $4 grand and you know you would get you money back in parts it would be worth it. how much is your time worth to dismantle the machine and sit on the parts untill they are sold ? or go the other way and attempt to repair the machine, install injection pump $$$ get engine running only to find out the trans is toast? just remember if its too good to be true it probably is.

[ga jones]

Thats the one I was thinking of autocar il not ia

[so il logger]

Yes schaeffer's is a great place to deal with and andy really knows his stuff. After hearing that they robbed the inj,pump I would be a little suspect of it. But I know the value of used iron is different in different regions, around here 8k the way it set's is not an unreal number at all for a straight skidder. Is there anyone that may know the machine other than the guy selling it? May be time well spent to do some digging for more info, Im sure some other logger in the area may know a little more about the story. Good luck

[coxy]

Yes I've seen 23.1 tires sell for 250. bald as bald can be.

I ment to say a 1000  bald and with patches 23.1 are going for 5-600  I just sold 2 that were maybe a little less than 1/2 2200 for the pair 23.1s and 18.4 34s are like gold here

[ga jones]

I believe it coxy. I saw I guy pay 150.00 for an 18.4 34 that had a one foot chunk of primary rubber missing last year.just to get him by a while.

[so il logger]

Same way here, I'd love to have a pile of 23.1 26 laying around even bald ones. That would be like withdrawing money from the bank whenever I needed it. 18.4 are tough to find as well, alot of guys run 10 ply ag tires and avoid stobs just because they can be found used for a reasonable price

[coxy]

years ago you could get them pretty cheep  that's when people were making money and would buy new ones every couple years and the poor people like me would buy there 1/2 bald ones for 2-300 buck   tires are getting insane in price new and used

[so il logger]

Yeah I plan to put a couple new 30.5 32 on my grapple this spring. Haven't checked prices half afraid to.

[BargeMonkey]

 New 23.1 goodyear is 2300 mounted here. The kid who bought my jack ripped a tire with the grapple "i assume"  :D and paid 300 from a local guy who had one and it was a marginal spare on a rim.
Like someone else suggested, start asking around the area, im sure someone knows why or how the machine got parked. Between the tires and easy parts its probably worth around 8k, but thats after you invest your time and money. Unless i saw it run and move i would be super skeptical.

[RunningRoot]

the owner of the 380 called me today. And I know by the way he was talking he is a member here on the forum and he has read this thread..
The fact that he wouldn't tell me this information makes me a little leery about the whole situation.

The way I see it is why wouldn't this company that has it now fix it if it wasn't much of a task or bill..

And to know absolutely nothing about a machine you own is odd itself...
I've had two pieces of equipment sitting in the weeds over the last couple years but I can tell you exactly what's wrong with both.

[ForestFox]

Questions to ask yourself!
1) Am I in the salvage business?
2) Do I find inconsistencies in the sellers storyline?
3) Can I MAKE MONEY salvaging it or just work to break even?
4) Are the red flags being ignored because sugar plums are dancing in your head?

Corollary to your rule!
A dollar in your pocket is worth more than 3 in your Butt!  :(

It is also hard to beat someone else at their own game!

Warren Buffett quote, " It is better to buy a wonderful stock at a fair price, than a fair stock at a wonderful price'.