7 on me today folks and seen more on my jerry cans bar oil jugs etc, they are EVERYWHERE. Time for me to try this permitherin stuff out. I have never seen them so bad and especially this early in the season, it's only April, oh god I can't even imagine what late may early June will be, hopefully I can fend off Lyme disease this summer. Just 15 years ago there were no ticks at all that I recall of around here.
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This was the 7th, this one must have been in my truck somewhere because I had already checked for ticks today and changed etc but used the truck after, was on my neck. Really sick of these fellas
It's fun to light them on fire though and watch them scramble little pests, they run right into the flame because they think it's fresh meat
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Give this a shot suppose
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Nova Scotia ? That far north? I did not think that could happen. In the shower check yourself very carefully in the places I won't mention. They will get up in there and be there until it itches or burns and then if they have lime so do you. Don't think it is bark or sawdust if you are lucky enough to feel anything.
Quote from: moodnacreek on April 27, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
Nova Scotia ? That far north? I did not think that could happen. In the shower check yourself very carefully in the places I won't mention. They will get up in there and be there until it itches or burns and then if they have lime so do you. Don't think it is bark or sawdust if you are lucky enough to feel anything.
That is correct sir they are bad up here especially western Nova Scotia(more mild winters). In my life I have probably had hundreds on me but only one actually made it to biting me, that was last year, no signs of infection or bullseye rash so I shrugged it off
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Ingredients to this spray I got, any thoughts? Hopefully this works
Sawyer is a spray for clothing that has .5% permethrin. Once it dries youre good for like 6 or 7 washes. But its fairly spendy compared to the livestock and horse sprays at the co-op or ag store that are up to 10% permethrin.
Its not safe around cats btw.
Quote from: mike_belben on April 27, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Sawyer is a spray for clothing that has .5% permethrin. Once it dries youre good for like 6 or 7 washes. But its fairly spendy compared to the livestock and horse sprays at the co-op or ag store that are up to 10% permethrin.
Its not safe around cats btw.
Looking into that stuff now thanks, I just grabbed this stuff since it was local It's envio/animal friendly so probably won't work like the real deal
We had a similar infestation of wood ticks aka dog ticks a couple summers back, hardly
any last summer in comparison. Then there is the occasional deer tick which is why I spray pemethrin
on my woods clothing and boots too. Stuff works, forget the Deet although that does work good for the mighty Blackfly.
But they were everywhere that summer , congregating on the garage wood trim 5 or 6 together sometimes,
door knobs too.
Could have made a Alfred Hitchcock movie "The Ticks" that summer.
That said, picked up my first wood tick yesterday around the house, itch on the leg and wallah.
Quote from: woodroe on April 28, 2021, 04:44:49 AM
We had a similar infestation of wood ticks aka dog ticks a couple summers back, hardly
any last summer in comparison. Then there is the occasional deer tick which is why I spray pemethrin
on my woods clothing and boots too. Stuff works, forget the Deet although that does work good for the mighty Blackfly.
But they were everywhere that summer , congregating on the garage wood trim 5 or 6 together sometimes,
door knobs too.
Could have made a Alfred Hitchcock movie "The Ticks" that summer.
That said, picked up my first wood tick yesterday around the house, itch on the leg and wallah.
We have lots of deer ticks here, out of the 7 only 1 yesterday was a deer tick. I just sprayed that "Atlantick" stuff in me and I guess I'm allergic to that stuff cause my skin is BURNING. Looks like more deet until I get this sawyers spray. USELESS creatures these things are, what do they even contribute to the food chain? I'm getting some guinea hens
Yes, the ticks are out in force here too. I've had one attached and numerous crawling on me this spring. Just a normal nightly ritual to check for ticks. Luckily Lyme is not prevalent in this area. I don't use anything for them, because permethrin is the only thing that works. I just try to avoid the tall brush this time of year. It gets better later in the summer when it gets really dry. Its the little larvae/baby ones that really bother me. As far as what they contribute, lots of animals eat them. Opossums eat lots of ticks. Chickens and guinea fowl eat them too. We used to leave our hens out all day and they would control the ticks in our yard, but then they got eaten by the foxes and so the hens are in the coop all day.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on April 28, 2021, 08:37:00 AM
Yes, the ticks are out in force here too. I've had one attached and numerous crawling on me this spring. Just a normal nightly ritual to check for ticks. Luckily Lyme is not prevalent in this area. I don't use anything for them, because permethrin is the only thing that works. I just try to avoid the tall brush this time of year. It gets better later in the summer when it gets really dry. Its the little larvae/baby ones that really bother me. As far as what they contribute, lots of animals eat them. Opossums eat lots of ticks. Chickens and guinea fowl eat them too. We used to leave our hens out all day and they would control the ticks in our yard, but then they got eaten by the foxes and so the hens are in the coop all day.
Happily larval ticks don't spread lyme or other diseases. I too have stopped using repellants (which do not work) or permethrin (I spend too much time in the woods to keep up with treating my clothes). So I just get a lot of ticks on me, and am bitten dozens of times a year. A tip for when you've got nine-hundred larvae crawling up your pants: Lint roller, or a loop of duct tape around your hand.
If you do want to use permethrin, diluting the cattle insecticides works and is almost infinitely cheaper than buying the person stuff. I don't know if it's safe.
the tiny ones are called seed ticks here and they will burrow in quite deep until only their butt sticks out. ether will hose them off when you step in a tick bomb, and will help coax buried ones to back out a bit.
walmart sells a 2 pack of little green plastic number 7s called the tick tornado. everyone should have this.. i remove a hundred a year across the whole family and theres nothing like it. they twirl right out. left hand thread metrics i reckon. little buggers.
they go in a wad of toilet paper and down the bowl. the paper makes sure they drown instead of float.
atleast soak your boots in permethrin. i hold back my workpants til im almost out, wash them, hang them on the line and then spray them all from the knees down front and back. huge difference.
now if youre really plagued by dog ticks that you know are coming in on neighbors dogs that are clearly covered in fat pregnant raisinet ticks that are each gonna deliver hundreds more and you really are serious about breaking the cycle... go online and order nexgard spectra flea/tick/mite/wormer pills.. slip one pill to each dog in a fig newton. in 2 days every parasite on that dog will be dried to a crisp. naturally they will pick up more, and for a solid month or 3 that dog will be a tick killer instead of a tick spreader. if you can treat 3 dogs your whole area will see a big drop in dog tick infestation.
Quote from: mike_belben on April 28, 2021, 09:48:18 AM
now if youre really plagued by dog ticks that you know are coming in on neighbors dogs that are clearly covered in fat pregnant raisinet ticks that are each gonna deliver hundreds more and you really are serious about breaking the cycle... go online and order nexgard spectra flea/tick/mite/wormer pills.. slip one pill to each dog in a fig newton. in 2 days every parasite on that dog will be dried to a crisp. naturally they will pick up more, and for a solid month or 3 that dog will be a tick killer instead of a tick spreader. if you can treat 3 dogs your whole area will see a big drop in dog tick infestation.
Do ticks try to latch onto guinea hens I wonder?id assume so. Double win since they eat them anyway and if they do get loaded with ticks they get the nexgard treatment. I'm looking to get hens here in the near future anyway may pick up 3-4 of those guineas too
Quote from: mike_belben on April 28, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
the tiny ones are called seed ticks here and they will burrow in quite deep until only their butt sticks out. ether will hose them off when you step in a tick bomb, and will help coax buried ones to back out a bit.
walmart sells a 2 pack of little green plastic number 7s called the tick tornado. everyone should have this.. i remove a hundred a year across the whole family and theres nothing like it. they twirl right out. left hand thread metrics i reckon. little buggers.
they go in a wad of toilet paper and down the bowl. the paper makes sure they drown instead of float.
atleast soak your boots in permethrin. i hold back my workpants til im almost out, wash them, hang them on the line and then spray them all from the knees down front and back. huge difference.
My typical routine is to wear high boots, wear thin layer under near my chainsaw pants and tuck the under layer into socks, I then take the chainsaw legging and pull it over top of the top of the boot so it's overlapped, also wear light color long sleeves and tuck in around the waist. Off bug spray all over my boots and shin area, some around the waist and then the arms and neck. It ain't cuttin it though, they still find ways. Buggers.
Ticks don't care about DEET, no matter what the label says.
Permanone is the best hands down. I've been treated for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Lyme Disease. Before the days of Permanone, I might have 100 to remove any given day. It is seldom that I have one attached these days. You can watch him fry as he climbs the pants leg. I spray from the waist down.
Wudman
just some permethrin info.
oregon state university overview
Permethrin General Fact Sheet (http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/PermGen.html)
dried permethrin on fabric does get into the animal wearing it.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287399209531598
a guy thats apparently been diluting 10% equine permethrin as a cheaper clothing treatment for hunting. and no its not me.
Permethrin / Permanone - Tick and Chigger repellent - Hunting and Fishing - TNGunOwners.com (https://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/38993-permethrin-permanone-tick-and-chigger-repellent/)
the scientists seem to be on the fence about potential for cancer but i presume its been long enough that wed be seeing a lot of news if it were highly correlated. i did read that in crop applications, other chemical mixtures such as carboryl and organophosphates can do all sorts of crazy combining with permethrin so id keep it out of the garden, as the stuff does get into plants grown on treated dirt.
They are bad bad bad right now in N.S. This was on the south mountain almost into the Annapolis Valley.
I went to look at clearing, excavating, a lot for a buddy yesterday afternoon. It wasn't dense woods or anything. Before I got back in my truck I stood and picked at least half a dozen off my shirt and my bare belly/back and on my jeans. Another one on my leg on the way home. Got home and stripped off to find several more in my cloths and one bit in my neck. A few hours later, my belly button was itching, sure enough, I had one latched in there so hard I had to get the wife to extract it. I'm used to ticks, but wow, that was excessive! I think Ill stay in the excavator on that job. He can do the cutting....
Quote from: Kim_Ked on April 29, 2021, 06:06:22 AM
They are bad bad bad right now in N.S. This was on the south mountain almost into the Annapolis Valley.
I went to look at clearing, excavating, a lot for a buddy yesterday afternoon. It wasn't dense woods or anything. Before I got back in my truck I stood and picked at least half a dozen off my shirt and my bare belly/back and on my jeans. Another one on my leg on the way home. Got home and stripped off to find several more in my cloths and one bit in my neck. A few hours later, my belly button was itching, sure enough, I had one latched in there so hard I had to get the wife to extract it. I'm used to ticks, but wow, that was excessive! I think Ill stay in the excavator on that job. He can do the cutting....
They really are horrible around here right now, yesterday though I was basicallly swimming in brush piles and had none on me, today's another day, gotta plant some seedlings today, will be getting all kinds probably
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Nice.
Where did you get your seedlings?
Iv been going into the woods and digging up smaller trees and moving them to my lot but I would like to get a few different types other than my local usual species. I was thinking of going out to the South Shore where Oak is abundant to get a few baby oak trees and bring home.
Also, I like your profile picture. Ill post a pic of my 79 here in a bit.
Quote from: Kim_Ked on April 29, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
Nice.
Where did you get your seedlings?
Iv been going into the woods and digging up smaller trees and moving them to my lot but I would like to get a few different types other than my local usual species. I was thinking of going out to the South Shore where Oak is abundant to get a few baby oak trees and bring home.
Also, I like your profile picture. Ill post a pic of my 79 here in a bit.
Thanks! It was abandoned here in the early 90s, I was cleaning up junk people had dumped here over the years while it was mostly vacant and I decided I like that old abounded truck so I will leave it may even preserve it but slapping some thompsons water sealant on it :D
I got my seedling from the DNR in luneneburg I believe it was 8 cents a seedling, if you want to find a lot of oak off the 103 between Lockport and Port joli there is that area with sharp corners etc, dexter construction has a quarry right there too, anyway that’s a whole oak Forrest, plenty of saplings in the ditch
im eager to go trample around in the tick locker and flag all the little dogwoods that are in full show right now so that i dont accidentally squish them later. this has me wanting to hose my stuff down in permethrin again and i think ive gotten to the bottom of the concentration conflicts.
it is this EPA document that limits products sold as RESIDENTIAL USE to .5% concentrations. so that explains why all the sprays you put on your stuff at home are half percent.
https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/reregistration/fs_PC-109701_1-Jun-06.pdf
once you put it in a bottle that doesnt claim to fall under a residential use the half percent limit is off and you can get into 10% sprays for horses or up to 36.8% concentrates for broadcast spraying or perimeter spraying around the home for termites, spiders, bees etc etc. beware its lethal to cats. and dont eat it or spray your face. that should save you a lot of label reading.
half way down this page gets into a really handy chart on mixing ratios for application rates to treat various problems.
Permethrin 10% for Animal Use - Drugs.com (https://www.drugs.com/vet/permethrin-10.html)
Hello lil fella :D
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Quote from: HemlockKing on April 29, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Kim_Ked on April 29, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
Nice.
Where did you get your seedlings?
Iv been going into the woods and digging up smaller trees and moving them to my lot but I would like to get a few different types other than my local usual species. I was thinking of going out to the South Shore where Oak is abundant to get a few baby oak trees and bring home.
Also, I like your profile picture. Ill post a pic of my 79 here in a bit.
Thanks! It was abandoned here in the early 90s, I was cleaning up junk people had dumped here over the years while it was mostly vacant and I decided I like that old abounded truck so I will leave it may even preserve it but slapping some thompsons water sealant on it :D
I got my seedling from the DNR in luneneburg I believe it was 8 cents a seedling, if you want to find a lot of oak off the 103 between Lockport and Port joli there is that area with sharp corners etc, dexter construction has a quarry right there too, anyway that's a whole oak Forrest, plenty of saplings in the ditch
That's a sweet price for seedlings man..
I actually have at very minimum 30 to 40 acres of very old hand cleared fields. They have been in my wife's family for many generations. Currently, the only thing that happens on them is ATVing, and I let a guy come every year and cut the hay for nothing just to keep the fields up. I'm always pondering things I could do with them but I really don't know much at all about growing anything. I'v thought about the possibility of doing maybe one field as just a tree plantation. It would be something decent for the future. I know a guy that did this with pine trees, but they are too close together and its a bit of a mess.
I'm going to give DNR a call to see if there are still trees available.
Way of tick topic here but, you know how it goes...............
NOT MY BLOOD
NOT MY BLOOD
NOT MY BLOOD
Quote from: mike_belben on April 29, 2021, 11:13:25 AM
im eager to go trample around in the tick locker and flag all the little dogwoods that are in full show right now so that i dont accidentally squish them later. this has me wanting to hose my stuff down in permethrin again and i think ive gotten to the bottom of the concentration conflicts.
it is this EPA document that limits products sold as RESIDENTIAL USE to .5% concentrations. so that explains why all the sprays you put on your stuff at home are half percent.
https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/reregistration/fs_PC-109701_1-Jun-06.pdf
once you put it in a bottle that doesnt claim to fall under a residential use the half percent limit is off and you can get into 10% sprays for horses or up to 36.8% concentrates for broadcast spraying or perimeter spraying around the home for termites, spiders, bees etc etc. beware its lethal to cats. and dont eat it or spray your face. that should save you a lot of label reading.
half way down this page gets into a really handy chart on mixing ratios for application rates to treat various problems.
Permethrin 10% for Animal Use - Drugs.com (https://www.drugs.com/vet/permethrin-10.html)
Ain't nothin like peace of mind. Soak that stuff with permethrin!
I will take a look at that link tonight after work
Quote from: Kim_Ked on April 29, 2021, 11:34:57 AM
Quote from: HemlockKing on April 29, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Kim_Ked on April 29, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
Nice.
Where did you get your seedlings?
Iv been going into the woods and digging up smaller trees and moving them to my lot but I would like to get a few different types other than my local usual species. I was thinking of going out to the South Shore where Oak is abundant to get a few baby oak trees and bring home.
Also, I like your profile picture. Ill post a pic of my 79 here in a bit.
Thanks! It was abandoned here in the early 90s, I was cleaning up junk people had dumped here over the years while it was mostly vacant and I decided I like that old abounded truck so I will leave it may even preserve it but slapping some thompsons water sealant on it :D
I got my seedling from the DNR in luneneburg I believe it was 8 cents a seedling, if you want to find a lot of oak off the 103 between Lockport and Port joli there is that area with sharp corners etc, dexter construction has a quarry right there too, anyway that's a whole oak Forrest, plenty of saplings in the ditch
That's a sweet price for seedlings man..
I actually have at very minimum 30 to 40 acres of very old hand cleared fields. They have been in my wife's family for many generations. Currently, the only thing that happens on them is ATVing, and I let a guy come every year and cut the hay for nothing just to keep the fields up. I'm always pondering things I could do with them but I really don't know much at all about growing anything. I'v thought about the possibility of doing maybe one field as just a tree plantation. It would be something decent for the future. I know a guy that did this with pine trees, but they are too close together and its a bit of a mess.
I'm going to give DNR a call to see if there are still trees available.
Way of tick topic here but, you know how it goes...............
I say do it! A old saying goes.... the best society is a society of which old men plant trees of which he will never set under the shade of....or something of that sorts ;D even better if you aren't "old" yet and can watch em. No but seriously if you do it make it a big family day event and plant them together. Makes for fond memories, I find planting seedlings therapeutic, I don't rush planting them that's for sure. The DNR folks were a pleasure to deal with and helpful, I'd definitely talk to them.
That "atlantick" stuff must be working cause I've used it the last 2 days and have seen ticks everywhere but not on me or my clothes 8)
I am rebuilding a strip of fence, first day I had a tick when getting home, so put some permethrin in my atv sprayer, along with 15 gallons of water, and sprayed about a 10' strip on the side of the fence I am working on, even had a shower of rain and still have not got another tick on me. Asked the coop how this stuff works, they said it is a contact spray, so must have wiped out the tick population on that strip. Sure they will be back. Thinking about spraying my shoes, socks and pant legs with that stuff, and letting it dry before wearing.
Quote from: mike_belben on April 27, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Sawyer is a spray for clothing that has .5% permethrin. Once it dries youre good for like 6 or 7 washes. But its fairly spendy compared to the livestock and horse sprays at the co-op or ag store that are up to 10% permethrin.
Its not safe around cats btw.
Once it dries onto your clothing, it won't harm cats In the liquid stage, it's extremely toxic to cats.
If you are spraying clothing, make sure you by the water-based stuff. The oil-based is nasty on your clothing.
This is what I use when spraying my own clothing:
Amazon.com : JT Eaton 209-W1G Kills Bedbugs, Ticks and Mosquitoes Water Based Spray with Sprayer Attachment, 1-Gallon : Insect Repellents : Garden & Outdoor (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007TULAH6/)
It lasts through about 5 washes.
I also use a lot of factory-treated clothing, which lasts through about 70 washes. I've had really good luck with that stuff, and it's nice not having to think about "when was the last time I sprayed this stuff. Try Insect Shield (https://www.insectshield.com/) for clothing (they regularly have sales with 20% discounts. Occasionally have some items on 30% discount.) Stay away from their socks - they wear out too quickly. Someone on here pointed me to Farm-to-Feet No Fly Zone Socks, which I've been very happy with.
It's been 3 days since I've seen a tick on me and it's not for lack ticks because I've been seeing them everywhere on my jerry cans, took handles, tires etc, I think that atlantick stuff is working, it stinks horribly so I don't blame the ticks :D :D
Will continue using and see what happens, it's natural stuff so you can lather it on your skin without worry, I also spray my chainsaw leggings and boots heavy.
Quote from: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 01:48:03 AM
It's been 3 days since I've seen a tick on me and it's not for lack ticks because I've been seeing them everywhere on my jerry cans, took handles, tires etc, I think that atlantick stuff is working, it stinks horribly so I don't blame the ticks :D :D
Will continue using and see what happens, it's natural stuff so you can lather it on your skin without worry, I also spray my chainsaw leggings and boots heavy.
I'm glad you found something that works for you. I've tried a few all natural repellents in the past. I found some of them worked, some of them didn't seem to do much. For the ones that worked, I never found one that would last through an 8 hour day. Some of them only lasted 2 or 3 hours, then I had to reapply. (I'm mostly judging by when the mosquitos would start biting again, but it did seem similar for ticks as well.)
How long are you finding the Atlantick stuff is working for you?
I'm can still strongly smell it after 5-6 hours of applying, i just give my pant legs a couple squirts after lunch and head out, seems to be working. Most of the ticks I get climb up my boots to my waist line and that's where they usually get in if my shirt has come untucked
Quote from: HemlockKing on May 02, 2021, 08:14:32 AM
I'm can still strongly smell it after 5-6 hours of applying, i just give my pant legs a couple squirts after lunch and head out, seems to be working. Most of the ticks I get climb up my boots to my waist line and that's where they usually get in if my shirt has come untucked
I was finding the same thing: I was regularly finding multiple ticks that had crawled up my pants just about every time I was out in the woods. About 6 or 7 years ago, I tried spraying the pants & T shirts I used in the woods with permethrin. I found if I was wearing and washing them once a week, I could easily go a month or more without respraying them, and I rarely found ticks on me (if I did, it was more likely on my bare arms).
I switched to wearing the factory pretreated T-shirts and pants when working in the woods, so I don't have to keep track of when something was last sprayed. I've had equally good results from that. Unless it's really hot out, I've started wearing long sleeved T-shirts.
I've had too many friends and relatives who have had serious complications from Lyme, Anaplasmosis, and other tick-borne diseases to take chances.
So id used up the sawyer permethrin and its $9.97 for 12oz at walmart.com. 83 cents an ounce. Half percent permethrin, scent free.
I bought this for the new dog, 1quart for a bit under $7. 22 cents an ounce or about 1/4th the price of sawyer. Tenth percent permethrin plus some other stuff. Bit of citronella scent. Direct application on dogs and horses.
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Few days ago i hosed a pair of muck boots and pants with the last of the sawyer from the knees down before running out. I was precisely 1.1 miles into dense deer woods around a 200 acre hayfield for most of a day bushwacking.
Untreated shirt, socks and drawers. Had nothing really bothering me while in the woods. Found 5 ticks by bedtime, no seedticks and maybe 1 or two chigger bites. Pretty good considering without treatment it probably woulda been 10 grown ticks, 100 seed ticks and 30 to 50 chigger bites, these woods are unbearable. A summer hell.
Well i hosed me and boy's pants fully with the horse spray then let dry on the clothesline. we spent the day in the same spot, just treated pants. Neither of us had any ticks at all during or after. No flies or skeeters either. Deer would smell it from a mile but thats not a concern for now. Never thought it could be this good.
Dont get it on you or put it on damp. I know sawyer didnt get a fair performance evaluation but its a lot more $ and higher permethrin toxicity than needed apparently.
Good to hear it's working mike. I haven't a tick on my skin since I started using the atlantick stuff, I seriously had my doubts but it seems good. I actually watched one climb up my pant leg a bit and then just let go and fall onto the ground. Minefield of stinky lemon grass for them :D
I put that stuff all over my skin after a shower and I got the most painful burning all over my body, would not recommend doing that
Quote from: HemlockKing on May 06, 2021, 06:04:55 AM
I put that stuff all over my skin after a shower and I got the most painful burning all over my body, would not recommend doing that
The atlantick or something i mentioned?
Quote from: mike_belben on May 06, 2021, 06:17:30 AM
Quote from: HemlockKing on May 06, 2021, 06:04:55 AM
I put that stuff all over my skin after a shower and I got the most painful burning all over my body, would not recommend doing that
The atlantick or something i mentioned?
Atlantick. Works fine otherwise, just for some reason after a shower if you apply it burns, probably something to do with pores being more open? I dunno I'm no expert in much :D
Quote from: mike_belben on May 06, 2021, 05:56:22 AMSo id used up the sawyer permethrin and its $9.97 for 12oz at walmart.com. 83 cents an ounce. Half percent permethrin, scent free. I bought this for the new dog, 1quart for a bit under $7. 22 cents an ounce or about 1/4th the price of sawyer. Tenth percent permethrin plus some other stuff. Bit of citronella scent. Direct application on dogs and horses.
The gallon jug I linked to earlier in this thread comes to just under 24¢ per ounce. It works really well. (Jug comes with a trigger pump spray nozzle as well.)
Quote from: mike_belben on May 06, 2021, 05:56:22 AMDon't get it on you or put it on damp. I know sawyer didnt get a fair performance evaluation but its a lot more $ and higher permethrin toxicity than needed apparently.
Actually, 1/2% Permethrin/Pyrethrin is the recommended concentration for spraying on clothing. Both have very low toxicity to mammals, since they can break it down quickly and easily. I would not take a bath in the stuff or purposely apply it, but it's FAR less toxic to human than the DEET-based stuff people use every day. The main reason it's recommended not to spray on skin is that your body breaks it down so quickly that it will not be very effective. (The exception is cats, which lack the enzyme needed to break it down, so it's toxic to them. The spray is no longer toxic to cats after it dries onto your clothing - my cat has been found sleeping on my treated clothing on numerous occasions. However, you do need to keep them away from clothing while the spray is still wet.)
The horse spray Mike listed has a combined concentration of 0.1% Pyrethrin/Permethrin. It works with this lower concentration because it also contains Piperonyl Butoxide. This is not a pesticide - it won't kill insects on it's own. It's a pesticide synergist - it helps pesticides work better by blocking some enzymes in insects which can help them break down insecticides, so it gives the Pyrethrin/Permethrin more time to work.
FYI: Pyrethrin and Permethrin is the same thing. Pyrethrin comes from Chysanthemum flowers. Pyrethroids are man-made versions of pyrethrins. Permethrin is one of those man-made copies of the natural insecticide.
Thanks for the info john. I dunno the why but i know it worked. Typically id have found a few live ones carried in on my clothing by now which i havent. Pretty amazed actually.
Either way seems to work well: half percent pyrethrin/permethrin or some lesser concentration with the Piperonyl Butoxide. I've never tried the latter, but heard it works well. I've been really impressed with the pyrethrin/permithrin treatment, whether I spray it on my clothing, or buy the pretreated clothing.
I will definitely acknowledge that i have not given Sawyer a fair shake. Due to the number of boots and pants i initially wanted to spray with one bottle.
With the horse spray i am a lot more generous and really saturate the fabrics because i bought the bottle for a dog i ended up not needing to use it on. the pill she gets is so good. So im hosing the horse spray onto my pants saying "use it up" in my head.
This is the first spring that i havent had ticks from the yard on me even when wearing untreated clothes. I think the two dogs now are collecting and chemically killing all the ticks thanks to nexguard spectra. The new mutt also ran off or killed all the wild critters that used to visit so thats probably a factor.
yesterday the boy and i were back in the deer woods working the ground for hours, wearing the same pants i treated, with no other changes or additional spraying. again, no ticks or chigger bites. im pretty amazed with the effectiveness of the cheap horse spray. did not treat anything but our pants.
I've been seeing ticks everywhere, I fueled the saw up set the jug on the ground, burned a tank, came back and 3 lone star ticks were on the thing. I had one in my jacket that was into the crevices of the cotton other than that I haven't had any(knock on wood probably have some on me now) . I'm already low on that bottle because I've just been hosing this stuff down before I head out. I will half to be more conservative but sure feels good to not have them jerks on you all the time
I read they can sense heat off a body and the co2 you exhale up to a few yards away... so I Magine I constantly have dozens of ticks around me waving their little arms at me to latch on. I experimented with one on the table and led it around wit my finger because it could sense it(they have no eyes), anyway I'm just going off, fun fact I guess, I hate the buggers! Burn everyone you find
That's what mosquitoes do. Body heat & CO2. Talk about nature finding a way!
Quote from: Tacotodd on May 07, 2021, 04:26:55 PM
That's what mosquitoes do. Body heat & CO2. Talk about nature finding a way!
I find black flies are the best at finding you fast
Well I resisted participating in this thread because I didn't want to jinx myself. But this morning the wife found one on her in an area she couldn't really work on, so I tried my Vaseline method (starves them of air and they back out). This guy could hold his breath quite a while so that didn't work.
About 2 years ago I got a couple of these "Tick Keys (http://www.tickkey.com)" given to me at a loggers class and had never gotten to try them. I keep one on my truck keys and one on my Mule keys. The way it works is you press this over the area were the tick is, just hard enough to pop the skin up a little bit, then slide it to the smaller 'pinched' end and it pulls the tick out. Takes a little bit of practice and you have to be a little 'less than gentle' but it did work.
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Anyway, it took about two tries and I ripped the guy out, not sure I got 100% but surely 90%. If you look close down at that small end you can see the little bugger in there, somewhat crushed.
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Best I could tell, there was one little leg left in there I could not get out, but after I extricated him from the device, he was pretty much a complete tick. So I will hang onto these gizmos a little longer because I can see it being easier to use on one's self in difficult spots. All you need is to be able to see the tick's location. YMMV
That's a nice little gimmick. I'll check amazon and see if I can find one
Removing a tick by touching it with a hot match that you have just blown out or by covering in vaseline or nail polish is not recommended. The idea behind these techniques is that the tick will back out on its own. In practice, it does not work reliably - the tick is just likely to grab on tighter or burrow in. It's also likely to cause the tick to disgorge it's contents into you - if it hasn't already transmitted whatever nasties it's carrying to you, using one of these method just may complete the job.
I have used those tick keys with good success. It's also handy that they can be attached to a key ring.
My tool of choice is a "Tick Twister" - it looks like a miniature crowbar, sized just right for the notch in the end to slip around and under the tick, wedge it in and then pull it out. Our vet sells the O'Tom Tick Twister (https://www.otom.com/en/), but there are other similar tools that work just as well. One thing I do NOT do with this tool is twist as the tick is pulled (despite the directions that come with it saying to do so). The CDC recommends against twisting: they say to use a slow steady pull straight out, so that's what I do.
Walmart tick tornado is about the same as that twister and works great. Have one of those keys and dont use it.
Quote from: John Mc on May 10, 2021, 09:35:21 AM
Removing a tick by touching it with a hot match that you have just blown out or by covering in vaseline or nail polish is not recommended. The idea behind these techniques is that the tick will back out on its own. In practice, it does not work reliably - the tick is just likely to grab on tighter or burrow in. It's also likely to cause the tick to disgorge it's contents into you - if it hasn't already transmitted whatever nasties it's carrying to you, using one of these method just may complete the job.
I have used those tick keys with good success. It's also handy that they can be attached to a key ring.
My tool of choice is a "Tick Twister" - it looks like a miniature crowbar, sized just right for the notch in the end to slip around and under the tick, wedge it in and then pull it out. Our vet sells the O'Tom Tick Twister (https://www.otom.com/en/), but there are other similar tools that work just as well. One thing I do NOT do with this tool is twist as the tick is pulled (despite the directions that come with it saying to do so). The CDC recommends against twisting: they say to use a slow steady pull straight out, so that's what I do.
So you're saying me freaking out like a looney and ripping a chunk out of my skin with said Tick is not the correct way? :D
I have been using the tick twister for several years, if I can get it caught in the twister, just turn it around a couple times and the tick lets go. I am guessing the cdc is incompetent.
I work in a hardware store and sell the one that John mentioned. We use to sell the one that Greenhorn shown too. Can't seem to find a supplier that we deal with to get it back into the store.
There is a Maine product, all organic called Flick The Tick (https://flickthetick.com/) . It is a pump spray that works good. Women wanted something safe for her kids and made it up. Made about 15 minutes away from where I live. We sell it at work.
Quote from: thecfarm on May 13, 2021, 05:27:14 AM
I work in a hardware store and sell the one that John mentioned. We use to sell the one that Greenhorn shown too. Can't seem to find a supplier that we deal with to get it back into the store.
There is a Maine product, all organic called Flick The Tick (https://flickthetick.com/) . It is a pump spray that works good. Women wanted something safe for her kids and made it up. Made about 15 minutes away from where I live. We sell it at work.
Hah! Same here the atlantick was made by a "soccer mom" whom her boy caught Lyme and suffered. Said she didn't like the chemicals so she made a brew herself lol
Quote from: farmfromkansas on May 12, 2021, 10:53:18 PM
I have been using the tick twister for several years, if I can get it caught in the twister, just turn it around a couple times and the tick lets go. I am guessing the cdc is incompetent.
I met with the tick guru in charge of the tick program at U-Mass (Amherst, I think?) while trying to set up a speaking engagement for him to come talk about tick borne diseases and tick prevention in our area. He agreed with the CDC folks: due to the shape of the ticks' mouth parts, you are more likely to have parts break off and be left attached if you remove with a twisting motion, rather than a slow, steady straight pull. He said it doesn't happen every time, but it is more likely. He also added that those mouth parts alone are not a huge disease hazard, but it's best to try to remove them with some tweezers or something if they do break off. Since my close eyesight is no longer good enough to spot those small parts if they do break off, I switched from twisting to pulling. The tool has no problem removing ticks by pulling as long as you use the appropriate sized tool (the packages I buy have two sizes, one with a smaller slot for the really tiny ticks, and one for the bigger ones).
I have a lot of respect for the folks at the CDC. YEs, they may be wrong on occasion, but in general I have confidence that they are making their decisions based on the best science available, and that if more information comes along indicating a change is warranted, they will make it. I don't write off the CDC or others who have devoted their life to studying a subject as incompetent just because they disagree with my own preconceived notions or something a buddy saw on YouTube.
so i had pretty good results with the equine tick and fly spray for $6.99 a quart. ran out and went to get more.. co-op ended up having a marked down gallon of this stuff.. from $16 to $6.99. perfect.
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not as much permethrin as sawyers.. which has .5 percent and costs $14ish per 10 oz at my walmart right now.. but twice as much as the horse spray that was working fine.
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there a LOTTA active ingredients in there which is the point of spending the money in my opinion.. i dont want a spendy jug of citronella water.
spent a few nights reading lab and case studies about every single active ingredient on the list before trying it. sadly the best research comes from suicide attempts. evidently you can drink 20 ounces of the stuff and be okay in a few days, though i dont recommend it. im not normally one to hose myself in chemicals other than gas, grease or hydraulic fluid.. but on the other hand my wife lost a cousin to west nile virus at the same age my son is now so thats a real concern. the asian tiger mosquito is pretty ruthless here.
i sprayed boots, pants and hat then really got out in the thick of it today. on my hands and knees planting in the deer woods right down in the leaf litter. what ticks got on me, would soon wig out and fall off. and i was not getting bothered by the deer flies, face flies and all that either, which are very heavy right now. so im really impressed at this point. no chigger bites, no skeeters, no flies, and i watched the ticks die. just two squirts has really helped my poor dogs too. went from 10 flies at a time constantly to one or less, and only up on their snouts or between the eyes where i cant put it.
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That's a heck of a deal! Amazon is selling gallons for $60 (which is a rip off, IMO). The fact that it does not appear to be listed for use on clothing is a concern. It makes me wonder if there is an issue with that, or if it's just a matter that certifying it for human use is more trouble than it is worth.
I think you are on to something john. I suspect the more uses you give these products the more someone has to pay someone else for approval and product liability insurance, thus it would not be a cheap product. The weight of horse and cattle probably statistically guarantees youd not be able to poison your animal with the stuff, based on hundred pound women failing to die from chugging it ??
The wording on back does not say dont do XYX.. But it only says its for horses.
Meanwhile i have read up quite a lot on every ingredient over the past few weeks and every one of them is or was in some other product intended for direct human skin at one time, whether that was wise or not. I did not come across any widespread OMG this kills people citings on any of it. And all the ingredients are one big family of well established human applied insectides. Certainly many people have sprayed a horse and been in contact with it before the product dryed fully by now, without tragic results.
Like i said i dont really want any chemicals getting into my organs. Theyve been heavily feeding, spraying and injecting all this stuff into lab vermin for decades without drastic problems from what i gather. im letting the clothes dry, only wearing them a day i go into the woods, once a week or so.
Im half way through my life and not worried about my inevitable death.. My only want is that it be on the more comfortable side of dying. Im thinking lymes, RMSF, west nile or any of the other miseries that i dont want are worth a calculated risk in preventing. I certainly dont want cancer or poisoning either. I dont even put bug spray on my skin.. Just a bit on clothes and mostly boots and hat.
EDIT - mistakenly posted a response in the wrong thread. My apologies. I've re-posted in the appropriate thread.
Import fire ants. Texas has a greatly reduced tick problem because of fire ants. 8)
Quote from: Texas Ranger on June 07, 2021, 06:38:53 PM
Import fire ants. Texas has a greatly reduced tick problem because of fire ants. 8)
I'm getting guinea hens for starters, hopefully the chickens help too. I'm finding they are worst in may here they are still everywhere though. I have yet to see a deer tick which is strange. All wood ticks.
Chickens alone will help a lot. Guineas even more if u can keep them.
but guineas are so dumb....
Bad part of fire ants, we lost our quail.
link storage: this one is all about controlling livestock flies but its such a good overview resource that i dont wanna lose it. may be helpful to some of you farmer types.
The Cow-Calf Manager: Fly Control to Keep the Flies From Winning (https://www.sites.ext.vt.edu/newsletter-archive/livestock/aps-99_06/aps-0066.html)
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Looks like a full on invasion!
They all got put to the flame. (Lighter) lol
Just don't stop until you hear a pop! Then, they're done. You've got the right idea 👍
Quote from: HemlockKing on June 30, 2021, 08:54:55 AM
They all got put to the flame. (Lighter) lol
I hope you are not using flame as a means of removing tick which are already latched on to you. Flame, vaseline, gasoline, crushing and other similar methods of tick removal can cause ticks to disgorge their stomach contents into you, increasing the chances of them transmitting one or more tick-borne diseases into your bloodstream.
That would be kind of ignorant John lol. No I'm not burning them while attached to me. I've gotten much better at removing them, I use to rush and panic a bit. Now I make sure to remove it carefully.
Definitely only when they are off, but do it nonetheless.
Quote from: HemlockKing on June 30, 2021, 11:11:15 AM
That would be kind of ignorant John lol. No I'm not burning them while attached to me. I've gotten much better at removing them, I use to rush and panic a bit. Now I make sure to remove it carefully.
I did not at all mean to imply you were ignorant. Sorry if my post came across as condescending. You might be surprised how many people try to remove them by holding a cigarette to them, or a recently blown out match or any of a number of other questionable practices.
I tend to take tick borne diseases very seriously. My sister has been laid up with Lyme disease a couple of times. My brother had it so bad, he would drive his daughter to school in the morning, then come home and lie down on his living room floor because he did not have the energy to go back upstairs to bed. Several years after that, he was hospitalized for 8 days with Anaplasmosis (another tick-borne disease). A local friend struggled with Lyme disease that went several years without diagnosis and treatment. She's been under expert care for 3 or 4 years now, and still hasn't shaken it. It's all she can do to sit on the sidelines and watch her son play soccer (and she often requires assistance to make the 100 yard walk from the car to the field). She's in her low 40s and has been struggling with this for about 7 years. It's likely she has permanent damage from the disease. A cousin in central MA had Lyme that was undiagnosed for a couple of years. She's been wheel chair bound on two occasions as a result (one of them lasting for 4 or 5 months).
I've suspected I had it a couple of time: severe fatigue, joint pain, "brain fog", etc., but both times I insisted on a test, it came back negative.
I have the same list of symptoms, probably nearing 100 bites in my life and all my panels have come back negative. Several times had a bite then felt ill for days after.
Big improvement for us around the yard was 2 full time outdoor dogs on Nexgard Spectra. The dogs mop them up and they die from biting the treated dog. Lifecycle broken.
We are down to about 15% of the worst years i can remember.
Found this week old rabbit dead on my path in woods. Full of ticks, everywhere inside the ears etc, I'm sure it couldn't even hear, could it have died from all the ticks?
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Both ears were absolutely jam packed with ticks, some all
Over the face and neck. Pitiful really. I really hate ticks.
Dude you need to be ground spraying permethrin SFR 36.8 from a boom before those things get you. That is out of control.
I would be rounding up every free chicken and guinea i could, brooding them and turning them out. Let them get picked off.. So what just break the life cycle.
Man that is ugly, poor little guy. I wonder if a lot of those ticks nailed him post-mortem while he was still warm? If they were on him all along I can see that the animal must have been very ill not to tend to them as best he could. Pretty degusting. That might keep me awake at night.
Not sure if I already mentioned this or not: we have moose here in VT that are severely weakened and dying due to the heavy load of ticks they are carrying. Unlike deer, moose do not groom themselves to remove ticks. It seems the blood loss is causing severe anemia. If the anemia doesn't kill them outright, it weakens them to the point where they can't survive the winter.
A scary article on the subject:
https://www.outdoors.org/resources/amc-outdoors/conservation-and-climate/warming-winters-and-moose-ticks-the-domino-effect-killing-an-iconic-northeast-mammal/
From that article:
QuoteA study published in the Canadian Journal of Zoology (https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/cjz-2018-0140#.W9tXqRNKgWo) in 2018 found that from 2014 to 2016, 70 percent of moose calves in west-central Maine and northern New Hampshire died of emaciation by winter tick infestation. On average, each animal hosted 47,371 ticks. [emphasis added]
I think that is a case where feeding insecticide treated corn would be a huge bang for the buck. 47k ticks per animal is an incredible score. In winter the only ticks alive are the ones clinging to a warm body.
Feed the warm bodies a tick killing feed ration.
Since my dogs started living outside and being on nexgard spectra i dont have any ticks in the fenced acre we live in at all. Ticks eventually cling to the dog and are killed when they bite. I used to get bit inside my own house.
Quote from: mike_belben on July 15, 2021, 12:01:14 AM
I think that is a case where feeding insecticide treated corn would be a huge bang for the buck. 47k ticks per animal is an incredible score. In winter the only ticks alive are the ones clinging to a warm body.
Feed the warm bodies a tick killing feed ration.
Since my dogs started living outside and being on nexgard spectra i dont have any ticks in the fenced acre we live in at all. Ticks eventually cling to the dog and are killed when they bite. I used to get bit inside my own house.
This route would make most sense to me, is this expensive? I have so many deer that are always around. Finding this little guy really sickened me, this. Means. War. When it comes to ticks. I need a dedicated ride on mower or bush hog attach for my tractor to keep the grass down too.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 14, 2021, 07:45:41 PM
Man that is ugly, poor little guy. I wonder if a lot of those ticks nailed him post-mortem while he was still warm? If they were on him all along I can see that the animal must have been very ill not to tend to them as best he could. Pretty degusting. That might keep me awake at night.
It is certainly gross; what a reminder to always check for ticks!
If I were you, I "think" I would get a roaring fire going in a burn barrel, then put that poor rabbit on top, partly to get rid of the rabbit, but mostly to get rid of all those ticks!
That would be a lot of ticks to just "turn loose", because they're all going to lay eggs, if turned loose!
Quote from: Chuck White on July 15, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
If I were you, I "think" I would get a roaring fire going in a burn barrel, then put that poor rabbit on top, partly to get rid of the rabbit, but mostly to get rid of all those ticks!
That would be a lot of ticks to just "turn loose", because they're all going to lay eggs, if turned loose!
I just tossed it aside the trail, water under the bridge, makes no difference, these rabbits are everywhere. I can find a tick in 2 seconds anywhere here. I just check myself every 2-3 hours. Plus im cutting firewood so I'm shooting lots of chips at my legs, I don't think they climb when I'm being sprayed with pine chips lol . I've never had a engourged tick on me before, I've gotten all of them before they get to blood. I'm quite the paranoia freak in that sense I'm always scaling through my hairline and back neck etc feeling for ticks, I usually feel them as soon as they touch my skin though.
Wait until you step in a tick bomb and 60 seed ticks are coming up your thigh...
Starting fluid works best on getting them all off but youll feel crawling all over for a while.
You can use the wild rabbits as magnetic tick killers if youre willing to spend the money on feeders and a treated feed. I would want @Nebraska (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=45256) to give an opinion on the most economical way.
You can get all the guineas you want but they arent gonna eat them out of a rabbits ear and those raisinets will be distributing thousands of new seed ticks everywhere they go.
I would also put out some 5 gallon bucket peanut butter baited water traps for the mice which will also be infested and are a lymes vector.
Get a bucket, paintstick, sheetrock screw, little metal rod or old tentpole or stick and a fridge magnet. You make a magnetic diving board by taping the paintstick over the rod to pivot. The screw goes in the rim of the bucket and the fridge magnet clamps to the end of the paintstick to weight the diving board back down and magnetize to the screw. Peanut butter the end of the diving board especially underneath so they reach over and get off balance then go swim. I use a string tied to the sheetrock screw to limit the plunge so that the weight of the magnet auto resets it for the next one.
I seriously don't know how I've avoided the "tick bombs" so far. I've been at er in the woods everyday nearly for a year. Previous to that I still went in the woods often just not falling trees all day. Watch me catch one today now that I mention that. I've heard of the 5 gal bucket trick for squirrels, thankfully nearly all those are gone in my immediate vicinity
Id never experienced or heard of a tick bomb up north either. Maybe its specific to the lonestar we have down here. I rarely see other brands of tick.
So far the trapping rodents, guinea fowl(and others) and permethrin sfr are really good suggestions, I'm not sure how to bait the rabbits to get the ticks, in that situation, you've got to get them feeding at a consistent place(s) and conditioned to a food source. They are browsers. Wild rabbits aren't my Forte, I guess tame ones aren't either for that matter, but I try if I have to. You know rabbits are kind of stupid curious that's why those drop down traps work on them, how about cutting about 6 to 8 inch plastic culvert into short sections and making a sponge wick type of thing to spread a Permethrin type product down the rabbits back as it traverses the tube snooping around....It would de tick anything else that went through as well. A product like the permethrin SFR, or a Permectrin CDS (Bayer livestock insecticide) diluted out with mineral oil could do that. So could the same on rope wicks over salt licks for moose... Far from a tick expert but the stuff Mike is using on his dog's is about as good as it gets. The tick bomb / nest thing gives me the "willys", btdt.... I better go get busy..
I didnt even think of a wicked up crawl tube.
Plant some grass seed or lettuce etc in a small penned sunny spot exclosure with tubes to pass into it. Drill holesaw holes and hang mopheads or old washcloths full of permetrin with a stubby sheetrock screw to keep the rag in place. Re-dose periodically with permethrin. The equine fly sprays are about the cheapest unless you find a sale. Mosquito halt is still king for me here. We get wrecked by chiggers if not wearing it this month.
Found a tiny deer tick(nymph?) on me today, even though it's almost winter, remember to tick check if you've been bush wacking!
Oh yea!! I had one on me a few weeks back, bull eye and all. No idea how long it was there. Was on some meds for a week. Looks good now.
Ticks were so bad this spring and early summer, but I haven't seen one in months. I'm so happy I can get out in the woods for a while and not worry bout them.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on November 28, 2021, 06:18:13 PM
Ticks were so bad this spring and early summer, but I haven't seen one in months. I'm so happy I can get out in the woods for a while and not worry bout them.
I had people over today and they had asked about ticks, I reassured them I haven't seen any since late July, then turns out I had one on me
Not a hour later...and deer tick(lyme). Don't be so sure! It was super small I got lucky that I felt it crawling on my stomach before it got else where and hid... I've been slacking on tick checks too since I just assumed they are gone mostly now
Yeah, I'm sure they're still out there, just not in the numbers we saw earlier. I still do tick checks.
Christmas day and I just found a tick on my arm. &***&^% !!! Stupid thing had been there at least overnight, though he seemed to be dead. Maybe the vaccine kills more than Covid. I was at a friends house yesterday for Christmas. I was out in one of their pastures retrieving a soccer ball that the boys had kicked over there.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 25, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Christmas day and I just found a tick on my arm. &***&^% !!! Stupid thing had been there at least overnight, though he seemed to be dead. Maybe the vaccine kills more than Covid. I was at a friends house yesterday for Christmas. I was out in one of their pastures retrieving a soccer ball that the boys had kicked over there.
Dang buggers never give us a break!
One of the few advantages of milling in the snow in northern Minnesota, no ticks for a while. :D
Well, I can't be the first to see one this year, but I had a tick crawling on my arm last week. My days of strolling thru the woods without a care are at an end for the season. Gonna be back to nightly tick checks, at least on the nights when I've been out and about.
And there's a new tick thing going around too.
I've been out in tick country a few times recently, haven't been attacked yet. Sometimes I think all the meds I take make me unappetizing, then comes may fly season...
My Grandson came up to find sheds, found 5 or 6. And found 4 ticks.
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Well, it has begun. Felt something on my leg in bed last night. Yep, tick stuck to me. I guess my hikes in the woods are almost at an end. At least without checking for ticks at night.
My understanding is a very mild winter, like we have had, may result in a tick boom.
We've found 2 ticks in the last 2 days crawling on the dog already .
And were picking them off him well into December last year.
Course he's got his nose on the ground and rubs his junk all over every
fir tree he can find.
I got the Lyme disease 🤷�♂️ it can mess you up be careful out there!
Jeff, the other side of the coin is that ticks can survive a harsh winter if buried under a lot of snow. If there is little snow cover and temperatures go way down, it may kill ticks. So I've heard.
Problem is, we have had warm too. It may have been single digits once.
When I have my frog and toad hatch on my pond, that'll thin em out like last 2 years. We had thousands of amphibians march up that hill towards the cabin 2 different times, and both times our ticks completely disappeared around the cabin, when until that point, they were plentiful.
Permethrin time is here when going to the woods.
I'm bathed in DEET and have 6 nasty bites right now, they never froze. They also pulled doxy from the farm supply. Heaven forbid a body would self medicate rather than pay to argue with an anti anti/ anti vax doc at the clinic. Times have sure changed, now I've heard some get doxy on the down low ffcheesy .
Don please PM me your buddy's doxy supplier I am out ffcheesy oh yeah the ticks are out too. Don't forget the d in doxy please :uhoh: :wink_2:
Quote from: Don P on March 05, 2024, 06:33:52 PMI'm bathed in DEET and have 6 nasty bites right now, they never froze. They also pulled doxy from the farm supply. Heaven forbid a body would self medicate rather than pay to argue with an anti anti/ anti vax doc at the clinic. Times have sure changed, now I've heard some get doxy on the down low ffcheesy .
I'm on the doxy hunt for next prescription! I want to convince my doctor as I don't believe the short round will rid of it, or ever, I've had it a couple years! But on the antibiotics I feel like a new person! No pain or fatigue
Pulled off my first tick tonight while I was in the bathtub. It was in a place no man ever wants one to be. smiley_thumbsdown
We did not have ticks about 10 years ago. never found one on me. Now I find more each year. Seem like May, June and July are the worse. I might find about 10 on me in a year. Use to only find one then more each year.
Someone needs to close the border!
That'd be the Rocky Mt and Connecticut border. DanG snowbirds ffcheesy. Around here if you're in barberry, you're in ticks. And any of a thousand other places. I think all of these were in the pines in the front yard.
We haven't seen any ticks yet this year. Like others some years are worse than other years. We have a small (14) flock of free range chickens that I believe have helped keep the tick population lower in the yard but pasture and woods it's much different. We don't have near the issue that y'all in the upper Midwest deal with however. Know that from my grouse and woodcock trips to Northwoods of WI.
Been lucky up my way, we don't have them so far. I think southern NB has them as they are always talking about them down there every spring. They can stay down there. :D
I've heard that the best "yard-bird" to rid your area of ticks is the Guinea Foul.
When they're cruising, looking for something to eat, they don't scratch up the grass like chickens do, the only other thing is, they're noisy!
I have been pulling them of my dog for several weeks already. We typically do not start finding them until late March but with no snow and so warm the underbrush is full of them.
Guinea hens, we had 2 different flocks. The first bunch got picked off by a fox? or something that liked to eat them. This bunch was good. They would only make noise when someone or something came into the yard that did not belong there. Very good watch dogs.
Then we got another flock. All them things did was quark, all the time. And I mean all the time!!!!. Kinda like a dog that barks steady, after a while you don't go to see why it's barking, because it barks all the time.
Quote from: thecfarm on March 07, 2024, 09:16:35 PMKinda like a dog that barks steady, after a while you don't go to see why it's barking, because it barks all the time.
I can understand that. Kinda makes you start wishing bad things. :uhoh:
Quote from: Chuck White on March 07, 2024, 08:24:05 AMI've heard that the best "yard-bird" to rid your area of ticks is the Guinea Foul.
When they're cruising, looking for something to eat, they don't scratch up the grass like chickens do, the only other thing is, they're noisy!
True! I'm not that fond of Guinea because they can be noisy and roost in trees (critter magnets)!
I had layers and they were all free ranged. The guineas would go into the pen at night.
Pulled a fully engorged tick off the back of the dogs neck last week.
After a morning walk got three more deer ticks off him so far today.
Yikes !
Was walking by some moose tracks this morning. Moose was shedding some fur. Seen what looked like a winter tick in some fur. Had a closer look, sure was. smiley_thumbsdown
Seen my first deer tracks at the woodlot this morning, 2 deer by the looks of them.
We have picked 2 off our dog already this month. Seems early for them smiley_thumbsdown .
I posted this in a health and safety topic earlier, but it's relevant here too.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/tick-killing-pill-shows-promising-results-in-human-trial/
General idea is that there is already a long acting vet drug for dogs, that kills any tick that sucks their blood. It has little effect on the dog, and just stays in the bloodstream, for weeks. But it's lethal to ticks once they start sucking that drugged blood. Idea is that they die and fall off, before they get a chance to infect you with lyme disease. The tick needs to stay sucking for a day or so to infect you with the lyme bacteria, and if it dies before that, no infection.
Currently they are testing it on humans to makes sure it's safe. Results so far are promising.
I'm on the fence about some of the edible treatments available for pets
from the vet . Basically a poison absorbed into the animals bloodstream that kills the tick after it bites.
We didn't have a dog for probably 10 years before we
picked up a golden last fall . At least with the light colored hair they are easy to
spot crawling around on top.
Seems like we used Frontline plus previously. A liquid applied between the shoulder blades
once a month. Plus the annual Lyme vaccination.
Just bought a years supply because it's looking like a bad year for ticks ahead.
We are finding them daily on the dog and a couple dug in too. Deer tick nymphs , tiny .
Surprised that they are active even in cold temps sometimes below freezing it seems.
I'm interested in what others are using on their pets and how its working.
Problem is balancing the dose that kills the tick, vs the dose that starts to harm the dog (or human). If you bathed in DDT every day, no ticks would ever bother you. But that's not really a good solution...
Die of slow poisoning. Seems like a 19th C approach to medicine, more killed than cured and living. History eventually repeats itself. Can't see that working out too well. What will kill insects and bugs will kill man, just takes more of it. I wear protective clothing and haven't sprayed anything on my skin for years. Mosquitoes and deer flies can be brutal. Cover the exposed areas and they become tolerable. It's not 100% but improves your chances 2 fold, no poisons and less chance to be bit.