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Started by Downstream, November 20, 2021, 02:50:43 PM

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Downstream

Found this interesting today at local(Illinois) Home Depot.  Had to buy a couple of 1x4's and noticed the country of origin for the wood.  Seems a little crazy that the supply chain for this commodity starts in Sweden and finds its way to Southern Illinois.  Cannot belive that there is not a commercial mill in USA making these.


 
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firefighter ontheside

Right.  How can it be cost effective to ship a board across an ocean, when we have lots of trees growing in this country, much less in southern Illinois.  I've been to southern IL many times and have seen the yellow pines.  At least it wasn't from China.
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SwampDonkey

Makes no sense to ship pulpwood by boat loads to Finland from New Brunswick either. They have intensive forestry over in that region. I know for one, it was real cheap wood and SFI certified.
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Old Greenhorn

I can go even further, which even boggles my (tiny) mind more. My son was over tonight with the boys for dinner and he asked if I could try to make a couple dummy drawer fronts for a retrofit job he is doing on a kitchen. He said he would leave a board he had for it in the shop and he left a router bit that 'sort of' had the profile he needed. A Sunday morning 'mess around with it' kind of job. Well I just went out to the shop to tend the stove and saw the board sitting there and noticed a label just like the one Downstream showed, except that this one and a plain pine 4' board from HD said "Product of New Zealand". Now tell me how this makes sense? I love the Kiwi's, but how does it make economic sense to ship something like that all this way?
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Corley5

I see mesh wrapped firewood bundles from Latvia and Estonia around here.  How does that make sense ??? ::) :)
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Southside

That's Radiata pine Tom, a cousin to Southern Yellow Pine.  I can't remember the name of the company but there is or was one that I had been to in both Mississippi and Oregon that imported the wood and milled it for HD contracts.  

I was in a department store in Oregon a number of years back and saw a two pack of grilling planks made out of Western Yellow Cedar.  Stamped right on the package, "Product of Canada, made in China", and here I was in the US holding a piece of scrap wood that had made two ocean voyages.  

Well past the time to keep things in house again.  
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SwampDonkey

All my pine doors are radiata pine. You can buy 1" thick stair tread in solid radiata to. I used one of them one time to make a pine shelf, already rounded over, just make a triangle shape. You got me how it's that cheap, Ian says clear pine is big money, not them doors and stair treads, cheap $$. Clear white pine lumber would make them doors 5x the price. ;D
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SwampDonkey

Quote from: Southside on November 20, 2021, 10:55:04 PM
I was in a department store in Oregon a number of years back and saw a two pack of grilling planks made out of Western Yellow Cedar.  Stamped right on the package, "Product of Canada, made in China", and here I was in the US holding a piece of scrap wood that had made two ocean voyages.  
When I worked out there all yellow cedar, cypress we called it, went to Asia. Japan and Korea for temple wood. I couldn't even buy any local, it grew all around me. Welcome to foreign ownership. :D
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SwampDonkey

All white pine products in Home Depot across Canada, at least, are from the Irvings. That could just as easily be milled in the USA because they have timber holdings in the US as well. And rail service from NB, northern New England to the west and south. That's why Mike can see rail cars of Irving lumber down his way and my buddy could buy pine moulding @ Home Depot in Saulte St Marie, On.
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mike_belben

It would cost more for them to send troops to wreck our economy.  They all get a rebate on sending underpriced economic product and no chance of returned fire.  

What are we gonna do in retaliation, send them illinois lumber cheaper?

Socialist governments are subsidizing the flood of cheap goods into america, canada et al to advance global socialism by disrupting and destabilizing prices in capitalist countries.  Profit is like blood pressure.   With no profit margin our wealth bleeds out and our system slowly dies.   It is economic warfare.  We are in the 100yr anniversary of the "new economic policy period" of 1921-1923.  They are big on 'centenary' events. 

NEP and founding of CPC were both 1921.  The wall came down in 91, they gave themselves 30 years for this task.   all got together at the first earth summit in Rio 1992. One supremely powerful politician in attendance introduces congressional revolution im sorry i mean resolution 353 the following year creating "agenda 21" which is the most ambiguous, all encompassing piece of legislation ever, and today its obvious what it really is.  The conversion to worldwide socialism and top down rule. 


This is why i designed my life around omitting profit margins. Finding ways to live a stable life in the absense of profit. Like jim says a $1.3 million combine (on $200+/acre rents!) to cut $5 corn.  Even our biggest systems have no profit left. Thank sam walton for growing that brilliant model to its extremes. 
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Old Greenhorn

Quote from: Southside on November 20, 2021, 10:55:04 PM
That's Radiata pine Tom, a cousin to Southern Yellow Pine.  I can't remember the name of the company but there is or was one that I had been to in both Mississippi and Oregon that imported the wood and milled it for HD contracts.  

I was in a department store in Oregon a number of years back and saw a two pack of grilling planks made out of Western Yellow Cedar.  Stamped right on the package, "Product of Canada, made in China", and here I was in the US holding a piece of scrap wood that had made two ocean voyages.  

Well past the time to keep things in house again.  
Never heard of Radiata, is there something special about it besides the tendency to travel? To add to the list of things I don't know what 'grilling planks' are either. Sounds like firewood.
 I don't understand the economy of all this, let alone the time, distance, and clogging the supply chain with minor value goods that can be gotten locally. I'd rather get my eggs from the chickens down the road than at a store 10 miles away. I know those chickens what laid those eggs, I don't know the chickens that supplied eggs to the major food stores. It's a poor analogy, but it works.
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Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

HemlockKing

And get this, the governments will subsidize these clowns with your money to make more profit from overseas(rolling coal there and back)all while telling you to be better to the environment and telling you to recycle... for us in Canada we ship the recyclables back overseas AGAIN 



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SwampDonkey

Their shipping is def subsidized. You can get a package from China for $2 bucks and from Sweden it will be $90. ::) We are helping China and penalizing allies. ::)

Ship large volumes of junk products that need replacing often, government gets their cut on every item to pay the subsidy. They'll never run out of cash to provide the subsidy.

You can see this a lot in yarns, silk direct from China, pennies to ship compared to Europe.
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2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

mike_belben

Agreed.  New chinese chainsaw parts shipped to my door are cheaper than used ones from kentucky.  

That is economically impossible without a big govt handout. 
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Southside

10 replies and we were discussing chickens!   :D Thanks @Old Greenhorn 
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firefighter ontheside

I'll at least get us back to wood.  @Old Greenhorn have you heard of Monterey Pine(pinus radiata)?  It is native to a small part of California, but has been widely planted elsewhere, like in New Zealand, because it grows fast there.
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Resonator

"The cheapest ton is the floating ton" has always been the motto for shipping by boat. And especially now with the growth in container freight and bigger and bigger ships. For less than 10k you can ship a container loaded with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of freight. And if a big box retailer can get a product cheaper from another country (and get a lower price for buying millions worth at a time), they will, and turn a profit.
Another example I used to deliver lumber to a huge furniture factory in western Wisconsin. They would take the wood and cut individual parts for furniture, then load them in containers and ship them overseas to be assembled into furniture. Then ship the finished furniture all the way back to Wisconsin to be loaded in trucks and distributed to their retail locations nationwide. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's the way they do it.
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SwampDonkey

Quote from: Resonator on November 21, 2021, 02:13:22 PM
Another example I used to deliver lumber to a huge furniture factory in western Wisconsin. They would take the wood and cut individual parts for furniture, then load them in containers and ship them overseas to be assembled into furniture. Then ship the finished furniture all the way back to Wisconsin to be loaded in trucks and distributed to their retail locations nationwide. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's the way they do it.
I have one such item where wood from TN is shipped over, they machine the pieces in China, ship them back, TN assembles and ships to stores. Costs twice the money to have it all done at home here. :D

Who is this 'they' or 'consumer' that wants cheap products? I want well made with lasting power. Globalization,  another word for undercutting someone. :D
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Old Greenhorn

Quote from: Southside on November 21, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
10 replies and we were discussing chickens!   :D Thanks @Old Greenhorn
It's a skill. :D
Actually I learned from you I think, but in this case, I wasn't even thinking about it.
Bill, in all fairness I was staying on the supply chain topic.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

HemlockKing

Quote from: Old Greenhorn on November 21, 2021, 04:59:08 PM
Quote from: Southside on November 21, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
10 replies and we were discussing chickens!   :D Thanks @Old Greenhorn
It's a skill. :D
Actually I learned from you I think, but in this case, I wasn't even thinking about it.
Bill, in all fairness I was staying on the supply chain topic.
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SawyerTed

Who would have thought they would load North American logs on a ship, saw them on the ship in route and arrive I port with stacks of lumber to be kiln dried. 

I suppose chicken ships are a possibility how ever not probable.
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Old Greenhorn

Ted, that's a pretty perverted idea. I kind of like it. :D Actually I bet some bean counter somewhere, right this very minute, is running the numbers on that concept. Bless his heart. ;D
 Chicken ships are similar. You could have them laying and stocking up on the eastbound ship to sell in NA, then have them lay and stock on the westbound to sell in Asia. Win-win.
 Do you stay up all night thinking about these things? :D

 Also, as an aside, glad to hear your are testing out the new 'adjustments' and doing well.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

SawyerTed

 :DTom, the sawmill ships are a reality.  

The chicken ships might work but probably would spread disease.  Plus who knows if hens will lay in rough seas.  

I sleep relatively well.  I usually hit my quota of crazy ideas between 9:45 and 10:00 am most mornings  :D
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Old Greenhorn

Quote from: SawyerTed on November 21, 2021, 08:19:26 PM
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I sleep relatively well.  I usually hit my quota of crazy ideas between 9:45 and 10:00 am most mornings  :D
I find that odd, but whatever works for you. My 'new ideas' seem to come between 12pm and 1am and then again between 3am and 5am, all while in bed. To be clear though, they only happen rarely. I am not a really smart guy or a deep thinker like yourself.  ;D I tried thinking deep one time and nearly drowned.....never again. :D
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

Southside

Man y'all need to think outside of the box. The chicken ships could be a real source of green energy. 

Just put a mouse in a cage in the bow of the ship and those hens will all be flapping enough to power the ship from port to port.

Now to find an investor to fund my idea.  :D
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JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.
White Oak Meadows

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