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Started by Jeff, September 17, 2020, 09:20:49 AM

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Jeff

i just had to throw 6 loops of what were perfectly good chains in the trash. Tammy's 83 year old step dad offered to machine sharpen them. Hed done a couple a few years ago for me and they cut pretty good.  I got them back a couple months ago, and never looked at them until yesterday when I was putting on a shorter bar for some brush work this coming weekend.

Apparently he's lost a few steps. Ill certainly not say anything to him. I'll just not need to have him sharpen any more saw chains.

Almost every tooth


 
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barbender

Oh gosh. Yeah those are toast, a file will never cut them.
Too many irons in the fire

Al_Smith

Well you could save them if you have any sword maker  blacksmith friends .I guess they like saw  chain material because of the carbon content to forge into blades .Just a thought .

doc henderson

Hold on to them in case he insists on helping out in the future and he can re-sharpen the same ones.  that is too bad.  Is he aware of the outcome?  maybe vision is an issue.  I was taught to just bump them briefly so they do not loose temper.
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Jeff

No, I didn't say anything to him, because I know it would cause him to feel awful. I'd rather him continue to think that he helped me out. He won't be around for ever, and I appreciate his trying to help me out more than the result. I will not be making him feel like he's lost purpose. I do understand now how he has had such a hard time cutting firewood. That's why we cut this year's wood for them.
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Al_Smith

It's too bad .However to  get into the nitty gritty of grinding anything you need to have a clean wheel .If it plugs full of metal it will burn . In essence if you think about a loaded up wheel it  in effect acts like a dull chainsaw chain .Old time adage,"A sharp tool will make you money,a dull tool  will cost you " .

Tom King

I first learned to sharpen hand saws when some I sent to a "sharpener" came back in about that comparable condition.  The guy was having vision problems.  I didn't complain either, because he obviously couldn't do any better.

4 decades later, and I can probably sharpen them as good as anyone.

Sorry about the loss of your chains, but glad you kept your head.

Haleiwa

You can actually save them if you are willing to go around them about ten times taking only a little off each pass.  Might wear out a wheel in the process and it will take a lot of time but there is enough tooth left to get some good out of them.  No way I would try to hand file them. 
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Jeff

Some teeth are long, some are almost gone on the same chains. There is no saving them.

I went down and bought 2 loops so I had something to put on the saw and a spare.
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A-z farmer

I think that this happens to a lot of saw chains.
We bought a chain sharpener back in the mid 1970s because my dad thought we were taking too much time filing the chains when we should bee cutting wood .He would sharpen the chains every night and no one else was allowed to touch it .He was always in a hurry and we ended up buying more chains than ever because he was hardened the teeth and we could not even sharpen with a file .
So since the 1980s we have been using a file exclusively.Two years ago my chain saw dealer picked up one of my dolmars to be serviced and took some of my chains which I did not know about .He thought he was doing me a favor and sharpened them on his grinder and I got back all unusable chains from being burned .He is an awesome guy and getting up there in years but I did not say anything to him.
At the same time I saw bandmill bandits post about another sharpening system and I bought it .
My brother saw My sharpener and said where did you hear about that The forestry forum and I said yes .He said you have to stop listening to those people on there and I said no.
So I sharpened his saw chains and asked him what he thought after he tried it out on locust for firewood .He said it cut ok and since that time he has me sharpen all his saw chains .I ended up with more work but he is family I guess.

Al_Smith

I didn't even know about filing a chain until about 1971 .All those farmer scattered around with Homelites  and McCullochs sent them off to the implement store they bought the saw from .Those also sold John-Deere ,Farmall or Allis Chalmers tractors .--an Oliver now and again .---life in the corn field . ;D

KEC

Jeff, is that "anti-kickback" chain  ?

Spike60

Geez, that tooth looks awful. What kind of machine was he using on them? Was it an actual chain grinder or one of those hand held/dremel type things? Those things require a very steady hand, and more skill than a file. We have customers come in with failed experments like that, but there's no bringing those chains back.

Cool to keep it to yourself like you did. Never a good feel when older folks have to add to the "can't really do that anymore" list. I see that a lot in the store with guys who get to a point where they can no longer start a saw. NOT any fun explaining that to someone. Especially customers you've known for 20+ years.
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Old Greenhorn

Been following along with this, sorry for you troubles on both scores. When my Dad hit 90 he started building on that 'things I can't do list' pretty regular. He would do a full motor rebuild then let it sit until I dropped in to tighten all the bolts and screws and try it out. Then his eyes started getting weaker and the magnifying gadgets were less helpful. By 96 he was reduced to playing with a few things at his card table workbench in the den. He finally gave up when he could no longer fix stuff.
 SO a few years ago, I had that in mind when I started bringing chains to a local older fella in his 80's, lots of guys use him for chains and saws. But shortly after I started to go to him, I would get a new chain back (no previous sharpenings) and it would only have enough meat left on it for one more sharpening. This began to get to be a routine occurrence. I never complained, I just stopped bringing him chains and worked on my own skills. Spike probably knows the guy, or knows of him.
 It sucks to get old and I am beginning to make my own list now, so I am sympathetic for sure.
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Jeff

Gene is a good guy. He's retired from sears after 40 years as a sears repairman.  He was using a bench mount dedicated sawchain grinder. I can't say what kind, but if craftsman made one, I'd guess that. He's got quite the collection of the big old craftsman shop tools like tablesaw and radial saws and such. 
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olcowhand

Jeff,
Save them; There's a Stihl Dealer between our locales that will take them in trade for a new chain and charges $10.00 for up to 16" Chains and $12.00 for >16"....
After one of my "previous" local dealers turned all my chains blue, I stumbled upon these guys when I went looking for a new Dealer.
Steve
Olcowhand's Workshop, LLC

They say the mind is the first to go; I'm glad it's something I don't use!

Ezekiel 36:26-27

mike_belben

Good on ya for supplying his FW jeff.  
Praise The Lord

HolmenTree

It's tough being 83 and wanting to help out when your eye sight might not be so good.
Mine is living with cataracts is like looking through a dirty window.  My workshop is overloaded with light fixtures and still not enough haha.

Going for cataract surgery for the one eye next month and the other in November,  can't wait!

When I worked for Stihl in the late eighties one day I was helping the guys in the warehouse make up loops of  a dealers chain order.
 I wasn't familiar with the large automatic breaker spinner machine and my first 3 loops I got the preset links too tight, put them aside and made 3 more.
To my dismay the shipper shipped off the 3 tight ones with the large order.
I never said anything and luckily we never heard back from the dealer. :)
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

Jeff

Gene is always bestowing on me some of his things, as he liquidates stuff.  There is a signed paper out in my old tool chest that he gave me, and Tammy has a copy, of a whole list of things he wants me to take when something happens to him. He does not want his stuff. Much of which was given to him, auctioned. Hopefully it will be a long time from now, because we'd  rather he stuck around and also because I aint got room for those heavy amercan built shop tools. My plan is to build a small shop before then, and give all my things that become redundant to a younger deserving person and keep Gene's things. I won't give his things away until I'm in his position one day. If he's giving them to me, that will be my duty.

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Just call me the midget doctor.
Forestry Forum Founder and Chief Cook and Bottle Washer.

Commercial circle sawmill sawyer in a past life for 25yrs.
Ezekiel 22:30

Real1shepherd

It's funny/ironic about old tools. Firstly, you have to define what is an 'old tool'. I have tools on my work truck that were bought in the 70's. They don't wear out and nothing has come along in the pipeline better, so what?

My best friend here, Brian, used to be my business partner once upon a time. He's 17yrs younger. He'll pick up a tool and ask me 'How old?'. I used to take offense, but I think he was just admiring something enduring. He bought a '78 Winnebago Brave that I'm helping to restore...that thing is a time capsule in itself. To me, that was a 'crazy' purchase of something too old.

But then I have limits myself on 'old tools'. Stuff that's rusty/nasty and probably won't be brought back to usefulness...my life has enough clutter/chaos and I have no need to have chests of that stuff I'll never use. Happy to look and admire it, but you own it...lol!

Kevin

Al_Smith

Regarding old tools I've got some in a wooden chest my great grandfather brought from England about the turn of the last century .I'm the fourth generation to own them and they will go to my son .Among other things is my dad's journeyman's card .They figured I'm the first one to break the mold in 156 years as I'm a journeyman electrician  .With me the machinist stuff as been self taught .

Air Lad

Quote from: Jeff on September 17, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
No, I didn't say anything to him, because I know it would cause him to feel awful. I'd rather him continue to think that he helped me out. He won't be around for ever, and I appreciate his trying to help me out more than the result. I will not be making him feel like he's lost purpose. I do understand now how he has had such a hard time cutting firewood. That's why we cut this year's wood for them.
Kindness and happiness seem to go together smiley_beertoast

421Altered

Looks to me a grinder with a CBN wheel could restore it.  Looks like it has room to do that to the scribe line.  Maybe someone here with more experience with a CBN wheel than I have could chime in.

Jeff

Some of the teeth are ground to nubs. None are the same. 
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Old saw fixer

     I sharpened many a saw chain on a machine while working at the saw shop, from homeowner "toenail cutter" chains to bucksaw chains.  For my own chains I use a Stihl jig made to bolt to the workbench.  I have it screwed to a piece 2x4 and clamp it in the vice.  Since I am an older guy I do my sawing in the daylight, and sharpen chains on a rainy day or after supper.  It works for my purposes and I don't have left hand cutters shorter than the right hand ones any more.  Using the adjustments on the jig I can file a chain to look almost like it comes out of the box.  I use Stihl branded files, are there any files that cut faster on Stihl chain?
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