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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2021, 07:53:18 AM »
Yeah, right and tight is what we are shooting for. He runs a lot of dimensional lumber and for now mostly softwoods until this version of the shop extension is done. But he is also slowly building up a woodshop (that I think he has designs on me running for him) now that he bought another 60 acres that came with a steel building. He is picking up a 120KW 3 phase generator today or tomorrow that 'just needs some engine work'. :D SO eventually this edger will go under a 'yet to be built' shed roof extension on that steel building about 150' from the sawmill.
 When he got his first LT40 about 8 years ago, he went crazy milling up logs and stocking lumber, mostly 2x4, 6, 8, 10, 12" by up to 20' long, but he couldn't market it all and eventually the covers went away and the wood degraded. I built my first shop loft with some of that lumber. Now he has the new LT 50 and is milling to order only (when he can get a sawyer). Once the wood shop is begun, he wants to move the slabmizer in there and the planer and get bigger finishing equipment. He is 37 and has a long way to go but he seems to be getting there with a profit. I think he has adopted me as a 'smart old man that hangs out here and sets me straight when I need it.' But he hasn't said that out loud yet. ;D I don't mind, I am having fun playing with his equipment and fixing stuff the right way.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 07:56:24 AM »
@YellowHammer , do you have a contact name at Sharp? The fella that did the design work? Also, that pricing is a no- brainer, not bad at all.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 04:30:12 PM »
You might find that manual online at the Wayback Machine.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 08:19:27 PM »
Sharp Tool,
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7 Bonazzoli Ave Hudson, MA 0174
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I can't find his name anymore, but this is the number I have for them, and I think it went straight to the design guy.  
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2021, 07:51:49 AM »
Well I called Sharp yesterday morning and gave him all the dimensions except two I missed. He said he didn't need those to work up the drawing and quote and would have something for me in a few hours but I never heard back. I also called Log Master and got a return call late in the day from I think, Kevin? He is over 80 now and I enquired about spare parts. He laughed and said 'we designed and built that so that it is cheaper and fast to either makes the parts yourself or get them made locally, we never stocked any parts. If you called and wanted a part while we were in full operation, we would just make it and send it'. He suggested I take out the worn parts and make new ones ourselves, which is fine, but we thought if he still had stock we might buy up parts for spares to have on hand. We also found the manual in a pile of other forgotten manuals, it wasn't worth the search time except it did have the full engine book with it. There is no IPL in any way, the information on setting up and running the machine is extremely basic with little or no detail. No drawings at all. Nice fella though and gave me his home number for after hours calls. Said I should call if I had any questions on operation or anything.
 I just called Chris at sharp back, but he isn't in yet (before 8am). Hoping to get blades ordered today. Then I will go back down and try to get that floating blade dog out and get some measurements and see about getting a couple made up. It should be wearing out regularly with usage. Would like to make it out of bunting bronze instead of brass. The saga continues..... :)
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2021, 11:01:24 AM »
OGH, another great thread of yours I just found!  How about some pictures of the beast?
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2021, 01:35:06 PM »
Well I don't know about 'great'. I was just asking for help and got it! Smartest bunch of people in the world on this Forum.
 I don't have many photos except for hysterical reference, such as above. But here is a short video I shot last Friday when a guy needed a specific size board for a barn repair. Pay attention, it's pretty short:


 When we get it running well and start feeding it boards, I will get something better. Or as soon as I hit another stumble point. ;D

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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM »
Well, I heard back from Chris at Sharp: $125./blade for 2 pcs. Not bad at all. But the delivery is 15-16 weeks...UGH.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2021, 07:29:00 PM »
That edger looks pretty nice. 4 months for a blade? wow, I had mine much quicker.  I guess thats the way things are these days. 
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2021, 08:51:52 PM »
Unfortunately yes. I didn't even flinch because I know they are having trouble getting the specialty steels, everybody is. There is no point in whining or beating him up over it. That's why he hadn't given me the quote yesterday and when I called him this morning he said he needed to give his steel supplier a kick to get that info. I talked to my buddy this morning and he will drop off his billing data in the morning for me to get the order placed. We will then see about doing a work around to at least get one of those blades rebuilt to get things moving. Life goes on, we have work to do. I know this machine will do a great job when we get it right, or even nearly so.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2022, 10:37:19 PM »
Well just a quick update on this to let anybody following know how it went. I stated in the last post that I didn't whine at all about the 16 week delivery. That would have had them in our hands the second week of January as the latest. At the end of January I called once a day and left voice mails with Chris, the rep I was doing business with. Then I sent emails every couple of days and the only response I got was "I'll get back to you as soon as I check with the shop", but he never got back to me. Started to routine again in the beginning of February, most songs and dances but he never returned any update or status.
 Yesterday I called again and a different fella picked up the phone. For the first time I let some frustration out and told the guy how many times I had called and written and all I was asking for was the status they had told me would ship6 weeks ago. He put me on hold, then came back and told me they were in grinding now and would ship Monday. Also they had no billing information even though I had already provided that. So I had to walk out to the shop and get that for them, then called him back. He apologized for the delay and I explained that I understood the delay BUT there is nothing that will tick a customer off more than NOT telling him what is going on. Give me the bad news and lets move on, but don't force me to make 8 phone calls and 4 or 5 emails to find out what is going on. Tuesday it was 5 months or 20 weeks since the order. They now tell me any new orders are quoted at 20 weeks. Well duh.
 Everybody can make their own decision for themselves, but for us it really doesn't matter how good these blades cut when we get them. These folks took too much effort to do business with. I know a lot of our members use them and I hope you continue to get good service and products from them. But I just don't think they wanted our business and I will accommodate them in the future in this respect. We tried Sharp and it didn't work out.
 Now lets see if they show up when they said they would. I do expect them too. I think the guy I talked to yesterday is Chris's boss because he said he was going to 'have a discussion with him about this'.

 As an aside to this. Once I had the new blades on order and knowing how long it would be, I found a local blade company (well I did business with them for 20 years off and on when I was working) to re-tip and sharpen the blades we had in the machine. I sent them up and they turned them around in less than a week. We did one at a time to keep running. When I was talking to the rep on the phone he mentioned maybe we should get a second pair of blades so we could just swap them out. I told him we had them on order already but it was a long lead time. He said really? how long? I told him. He laughed and asked where I ordered them. Then he told me they could make those blades in two weeks because they stock all that material.  ;D I also found out these guys service a LOT of cabinet shops and wood products companies in our area. They will pick up and deliver if the business justifies it. Live, learn, and move on.
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Re: Logmaster edger blade source?
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2022, 06:53:35 AM »
Just for reference, another update: The blades arrived yesterday. 21.5 weeks after order. (9/14/21-2/24/22) I worked in manufacturing and cutter shops for nearly 50 years, and these blades look good, but I can see that the care in workmanship is going out the window in that shop. They never cleaned off all the grinder's reference marks or the inspector's marks, and for me that is a tell tale sign of hustling and shoving things down the line. If you do good work, you want the customer to see it when they open the box, not see your notes written in sharpie on the various points on the blades. Probably just a sign of the times, sadly.

 It will be a while before we load these up and give them a run off. The edger is blocked in by snow right now. I expect these to cut very well, the grinding work looks quite good on a quick pass without my inspection tools. 
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OK, maybe I am the woodcutter now.
I can work with wood, but I am NOT a Woodworker, but almost.


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