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Started by WDH, June 23, 2019, 08:57:06 PM

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WDH

Bob white quail have been in serious decline in the South.  As a kid, they were pretty common on the farm, but all that has changed with loss of habitat and modern farming practices.  I am a farmer, not a row crop farmer but a tree farmer.  My management strategy has been to maintain the natural timber areas on my property, both pine and hardwood, and I have planted pine on all the old fields and pastures.  My strategy has been to thin heavy and do prescribed burns every couple of years to keep the hardwood competition down and to promote grasses, herbaceous plants, and forbs.  Blackberry is an especially good wildlife plant. 

A year and a half ago I burned the plantation, age 20, that is growing next to my sawmill operation.  This Spring and Summer, I have been very pleased to hear the call of the bob whites again when I go over to work in the mornings.  The heavy thinning and burning have created the perfect weedy quail habitat in the plantation.  One of my customers the other day commented on hearing the bob whites calling when he was there buying good.  It warms my heart to hear them calling again. Here is a pic of the plantation and the habitat created by the heavy thinning and burning.  A lot of what you see in the pic are blackberries. 



 
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thecfarm

A nice looking piece of land and woods.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

WV Sawmiller

   Controlled burning was part of nearly every wildlife management plan we studied for southern bobwhite quail. Bicolor lespediza is a good food crop to encourage them. The blackberries will be good cover and good food for them. I miss them as we don't have them up here like we did in NW Fla where I grew up. 
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ellmoe

Between the industrial tree farming , coyotes moving in , and fire ants , we went from a covey at every deer feeder to not seeing or hearing a quail in only three years on a lease in North Florida.
Thirty plus years in the sawmill/millwork business. A sore back and arthritic fingers to prove it!

Southside

Funny your timing on posting this, the other day a customer was here and asked me if that was quail he was hearing as he was quite shocked.  I had not even noticed it as I have been hearing them a lot this year.  My management strategy is very similar to yours in that I have been creating a grazing savanah in our timber.  I tend to leave mature over story and open up holes that let sunlight get to the ground to encourage grass and legumes.  Of course along with that comes hardwood sprouts, lots of gum, maple, sycamore and poplar - which my cows happily browse to a spindly, broken, twig.  Also grow a lot of black berries and once a year I will meander through those areas and whack back the black berries.  That never happened last year given how wet it was.  Now the cows will eat some of the leaves and push through the patches, but most remain quite intact.  Oh -and they love to hide newborn calves in there too, such a fun game! Last week I was moving temporary fencing through a field and crossed via a cow path through a berry patch when a blue bird did the "my wing is broken, chase me" thing right out of the patch.  Combine that with the little bunnies I spotted darting around and the quail I have been hearing and I told my wife I won't be brush hogging down any of those berry patches for several weeks to a month it seems.  It sure is nice to see the wildlife out there, much more valuable than the little bit of grass production I will lose in those berry patches.       
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thecfarm

Good job. It's nice to see widlife.
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WDH

You are a good man, Chris.
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Wudman

I have been trying to promote quail habitat on my farm since I bought it.  One of the limiting factors for quail in most areas is escape cover.  Those blackberry patches are great for that purpose if they are so rough that nothing else can get through them.  Quail can scamper under it but hawks and owls can't dive bomb them.  Bobcats and foxes can't penetrate as well as quail.  Live hinge cut trees promote this type of cover.  I had some nice piles on the farm with super tough blackberry patches, but the electric company didn't like them as much as I did.  When the hand crew came through last summer, they wiped out my piles.  I guess I should have coordinated with them ahead of time.  The blackberry wasn't going to encroach into their lines.  I had one by the drive that I frequently saw a covey.  I had lespedeza planted in the right of way.  They would feed there then run to the brush pile when somebody came down the drive.  I have maintained soft field edges to promote escape cover adjacent to bicolor and VA 70 lespedeza.  I had the bush hog out Saturday to clean up the edges of my driveway when a hen turkey popped up out of the grass.  I had seen her many times over the last couple of months, but she was acting the mom that day.  I stopped and just in front of me I saw the grass moving.  There were about a dozen little ones smaller than my fist.  The bush hog will stay parked for a few more weeks until I know they will run instead of sticking tight.

The biggest hindrance to quail recovery is nest predation.  A study conducted a few years back on the Amelia Wildlife Management Area (Virginia) revealed a 94% predation rate on quail nests.  Skunks, bobcats, coons, rat snakes, feral cats, possums, and even groundhogs (woodchucks) were identified as culprits.  They started a trapping effort to remove small fur bearing mammals to see how the quail responded, but various "enviro" groups intervened and shut down the program.  Quail are one species that actually benefits from coyotes.  The coyotes prefer the quail's predators to the quail and can have positive impacts on quail numbers.

Another hindrance to quail is the smaller clearcut size employed in today's plantation forestry.  Quail would benefit from large clearcuts with subsequent fire used in the site prep.  We have transitioned to smaller clearcuts today and tend to maximize edge effect.  Quail are concentrated into smaller areas and predators become more effective hunters.  The bird would benefit from 1000 acre clearcuts.  Predators would have larger areas to hunt and their success ratio would go down.

So the answer is a multipronged approach.  Promote early successional habitat and maintain it with fire.  Provide escape cover.  Maintain food sources.   Provide good bug habitat for the chicks to feed and wipe out the predators.  What could be easier? 

Wudman

"You may tear down statues and burn buildings but you can't kill the spirit of patriots and when they've had enough this madness will end."
Charlie Daniels
July 4, 2020 (2 days before his death)

Southside

I have had my dust ups with the utility contractors as well.  They are by far the best tree planting company out there.  Their management practice was to come in and hog down the legumes and grasses I had planted to bare earth, which of course opened up the soil for all the tree seeds that had landed there for the past 50 years.  On a rough, steep, hill I had a mix of lespredeza and weeping love grass, first year planting and with warm season grasses you really want to give them two full years before you graze or cut them to get good root production, so we had a chat about what I was doing and they put up a couple of signs and said it would not happen again.  Well about two years later the same fools literally drove within a foot of the sign and ran over about $2K worth of irrigation pipe that was there and plain as day visible.  Now that is not good - but what was worse was the operator tried to make a quick get away - in a tracked skid steer mind you, complete with a flail mower hanging off the front - rather than say a word to anyone about what had happened.  That got expensive for them, really, really, expensive.  Now I have some nice gates and barriers that were installed free of charge and a shiny pile of new irrigation pipe, along with a really, really, pretty ROW of grass and legumes.  Of course this was just a couple of years after they re-seeded an alfalfa field they tore up all to junk when 30 some odd vehicles all had to drive a different path across the field and park with cones around each vehicle spaced 30' apart because one of the same crews dropped a massive poplar onto their line and wiped it out.  Mind you the public road crossing was maybe 75' away but they all decided it was better to drive 1/4 mile through that field.

Oh - and their GIS system is now flagged and all contractors now get a pre-trip to our farm to ensure there are no repeat incidents. @Wudman If we have the same utility co-op and they give you too many problems in the future let me know, I can give you some direct numbers or call for you, they recognize my voice now.   ;D
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btulloh

I think Old Greenhorn's neighbor works for Southside's utility company.
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Old Greenhorn

Quote from: btulloh on June 24, 2019, 06:14:16 PM
I think Old Greenhorn's neighbor works for utility company.
Could be, but I don't think so. He says he works in construction, which also scares me a little. Maybe it's his cousin? ;D
 Geez SS, you got some winners down that way. :D
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lxskllr

I've seen quail once in my life. I was about 13, and my mother took me and a friend to Busch Gardens and Williamsburg. Me and him bought pipes and tobacco at Busch Gardens(Try doing that today!  :^D  ), and in the morning we went behind the hotel to the edge of woods to smoke them. By memory, it was about a dozen birds, maybe 50' from us. Pretty cool. A guy at work said he used to see them around here as a kid, but I've never seen one, and most of my life has been outside.

Wudman

Southside - I appreciate the offer.  I know a few folks there myself.  I'll take part of the blame as I had not contacted them ahead of the game.  They gave me notice that they would be spraying and I didn't take the time to contact anybody.  There were some nice plump blackberries that I had been cultivating as well.  They were about to become a cobbler (had to get back to food).  They have hired a couple of young ladies as right of way foresters now.  Guess they will be there to manage public relations.

On a positive note, a service crew did show up at my house about 3:00 AM one morning when one hot leg on my underground feed shorted.  They dropped a portable transformer and had me back in service in a matter of minutes.  The repair crew showed up about daylight.  They traced the break and had me promptly fixed.  The break was directly under the water line to the well.  My well driller had nicked it when he laid the water line.  It took about 3 years before it burned in half.....so overall, I can't complain too much.

Wudman
"You may tear down statues and burn buildings but you can't kill the spirit of patriots and when they've had enough this madness will end."
Charlie Daniels
July 4, 2020 (2 days before his death)

Southside

Oh - the Co-op has great folks - it's the contractors they hire to do the ROW work that is bottom of the barrel material.  I brought up to them that the standard they maintain out in the sticks is different than that in the built up areas as is visible from the roadside when they are working - they were long on looking at their shoes suddenly and short on any explanation.  
Franklin buncher and skidder
JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.
White Oak Meadows

btulloh

Happy birthday, Southside. Enjoy your cake.
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timberking

Last quail I heard in ETex was at a coal fired power plant that had the money to promote habitat.  15 years ago.  Out west, the population is in a down cycle.

sawguy21

I grew up in this area and don't recall seeing many quail as a kid. Moved back four years ago from the coast, I have never seen so many in my life. Our home was on the edge of a forested area with thick brush, we regularly saw 30-40 of them running across the yard. Other than coyotes we don't have a lot of predators although raccoons are starting to show up.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

btulloh

It's been at least ten years since I heard any here.  I used to be able to call them up but that only works if they're in hearing distance.  The only ones I've seen since then were at game preserves.  

When I was about 12 or 13 I used to hunt them by walking them up.  Not easy, but made you quick on the mount.  One time I was hunting with a 12ga. hammer gun and flushed a covey.  I was mounting the gun and cocking both hammers at the same time and my thumb slipped while the gun was an inch or two off my shoulder.  Ouch.  The bruise lasted a good two weeks.  No quail were harmed on that outing.
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sawguy21

 :D I did that with an old military .303, I was a skinny 14 year old and first time with anything bigger than a .22. I didn't know what to expect but quickly learned.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Texas Ranger

Quote from: sawguy21 on June 25, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
:D I did that with an old military .303, I was a skinny 14 year old and first time with anything bigger than a .22. I didn't know what to expect but quickly learned.
Mine was a .47-70 trapdoor carbine, at about the same age, I discovered gravity.
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry

Southside

1960's Savage model 99C in .308 with 180 gr hot loads, I was probably about the same age,  Remington .222 had been about the biggest rifle I had ever fired before that.  Very short, very light, metal butt plate, great brush gun - kicks like a DanG moose even when you hold it against your shoulder.  
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WDH

Never been kicked by a moose :).
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sawguy21

old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Texas Ranger

quail gone from east Texas some 50 years due to fireants.
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry

WDH

They must have run the moose out, too  :D.
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