The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

iDRY Vacuum Kilns


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.




Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

Michigan Firewood, your BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat

iDRY Wood Lumber Vacuum Drying for everyon

Nyle Kiln Dry Systems

Chainsawr, The Worlds Largest Inventory of Chainsaw Parts

Smith Sawmill Service



Author Topic: Anyone ever heard of these?  (Read 3807 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Raider Bill

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 8060
  • Location: The Sun Coast
  • Gender: Male
  • Who will pull the wagon when everyone rides?
    • Share Post
Anyone ever heard of these?
« on: October 07, 2008, 09:59:46 AM »
The First 60 some years of childhood is always the hardest.

Offline beenthere

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 27175
  • Location: Southern Wisconsin, USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 12:06:11 PM »
No, but I'd be a bit skeptical..

  ::) ::)
south central Wisconsin
 It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

Offline StorminN

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 816
  • Location: Sequim, WA USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 03:42:42 PM »
On first look, it just looks like some capacitors in a box. If you have efficient motors in the first place, you don't need a box like this.

If you think you might have some inefficient loads, you can test your individual 120V appliances for Power Factor efficiency with a $20 Kill-A-Watt meter like this one:

P3 Kill A Watt meter

-Norm.
Happiness... is a sharp saw.

Offline StorminN

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 816
  • Location: Sequim, WA USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 03:44:04 PM »
j
Happiness... is a sharp saw.

Offline Raider Bill

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 8060
  • Location: The Sun Coast
  • Gender: Male
  • Who will pull the wagon when everyone rides?
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 03:54:55 PM »
Norm,

Took a look at your link, light bulb came on so I went out to the shop, rummaged through some boxes and guess what I found ???

A kill o watt P-3! :D ;D

Now I'm on a mission to check out my appliances.

Thanks.

Bill
The First 60 some years of childhood is always the hardest.

Offline Radar67

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3916
  • Age: 156
  • Location: Collins/Seminary, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • Cuttin Wood Now For My House Later.
    • Share Post
    • Stewart Photography
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 04:48:45 PM »
Just a note on the P3, it is only rated for 15 amps. Check the instructions. I bought one last year and it does not work on some of the really big stuff. I have used it on refridgerators and freezers. Dehumidifiers are out though.  ::)
"A man's time is the most valuable gift he can give another." TOM

If he can cling to his Blackberry, I can cling to my guns... Me

This will kill you, that will kill you, heck...life will kill you, but you got to live it!

"The man who can comprehend the why, can create the how." SFC J

Online Ianab

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 15189
  • Age: 59
  • Location: Stratford , New Zealand
  • Gender: Male
  • Marmite on toast is a real breakfast
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 05:57:25 PM »
Basically it's a box of snake oil.

Domestic power meters measure watts of power and ignore the power factor. Sure the electric company would like everyone to have have 100% power factor, it cuts down the current that their lines have to carry to deliver the same amount of power, but thats all.

In large industrial situations a poor power factor does make a difference, and the supply is measured in VA, not true watts.

But in a domestic situation you are fixing a non-problem.

Ian
Weekend warrior, Peterson JP test pilot, Dolmar 7900 and Stihl MS310 saws and  the usual collection of power tools :)

Offline Gary_C

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 7226
  • Age: 79
  • Location: Blooming Prairie, MN USA
  • Gender: Male
  • Sunrise on the Prairie
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 06:57:02 PM »
Basically it's a box of snake oil.


I agree completely. The power company would love to have everyone balance their power factor as they are tecnically not getting paid for power generated when the power factor is less than one at the meter. So if that Power Save thing really works, you could actually pay more for electricity.  ::)

Large three phase industrial users can be charged a penality if their power factor gets below 0.90 to 0.95. For the large user, power factor correction will pay to reduce the penalty. For people not paying any penalty, the power company gains.  ::)
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.

Offline StorminN

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 816
  • Location: Sequim, WA USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 08:15:26 PM »
Just a note on the P3, it is only rated for 15 amps. Check the instructions. I bought one last year and it does not work on some of the really big stuff. I have used it on refridgerators and freezers. Dehumidifiers are out though.  ::)

Radar, are you saying that your dehumidifier with a 15A plug on it actually pulls more than 15A?

-Norm.
Happiness... is a sharp saw.

Offline Radar67

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3916
  • Age: 156
  • Location: Collins/Seminary, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • Cuttin Wood Now For My House Later.
    • Share Post
    • Stewart Photography
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 08:33:28 PM »
Start amperage on my Woods dehumidifier is 21. The killowatt meter blanks out with it, and will not work again until unplugged.
"A man's time is the most valuable gift he can give another." TOM

If he can cling to his Blackberry, I can cling to my guns... Me

This will kill you, that will kill you, heck...life will kill you, but you got to live it!

"The man who can comprehend the why, can create the how." SFC J

Offline StorminN

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 816
  • Location: Sequim, WA USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 11:23:11 PM »
Start amperage on my Woods dehumidifier is 21. The killowatt meter blanks out with it, and will not work again until unplugged.

That's interesting... and it has a "normal" three prong plug on it? I have always thought that regular outlets were officially limited to 15A... 20A takes a different plug (one spade 90 degrees to the other) and then 30A is the bigger plug (like on an RV) with two angled blades and a round one on top, sorta a small version of a range plug...

-N.
Happiness... is a sharp saw.

Offline pigman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4009
  • Age: 76
  • Location: Northern Kentucky, Ky, USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 11:27:50 PM »
StorminN, circiut breakers can take loads larger than their rating for short periods of time. A motor rated at 15 amps could take 50 amps for a fraction of a second to get started.
Things turn out best for people who make the best of how things turn out.

Offline Radar67

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3916
  • Age: 156
  • Location: Collins/Seminary, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • Cuttin Wood Now For My House Later.
    • Share Post
    • Stewart Photography
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 11:59:45 PM »
Norm, in our area, all plugs with two flat blades and one round ground prong are plugged into  20A outlets. We do not have the rotated blade.
"A man's time is the most valuable gift he can give another." TOM

If he can cling to his Blackberry, I can cling to my guns... Me

This will kill you, that will kill you, heck...life will kill you, but you got to live it!

"The man who can comprehend the why, can create the how." SFC J

Offline John Mc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 5783
  • Age: 59
  • Location: Monkton, Vermont
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Anyone ever heard of these?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 12:26:33 PM »
Norm, in our area, all plugs with two flat blades and one round ground prong are plugged into  20A outlets. We do not have the rotated blade.

A 20 Amp circuit breaker does not mean your circuit is rated for 20 amps continuous. Circuits with a 20 Amp breaker generally have outlets rated for 15 amps on them. Read the fine print on your light switch or outlet... usually stamped into the metal. If the two flat blades on an outlet are parallel, the outlet will most likely be stamped "15 Amps". If on flat blade is set 90 dergrees to the other, it will most likely be stamped "20 Amps".
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   - Abraham Maslow


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
Never heard of this.....have Y'all done it?

Started by POSTON WIDEHEAD on Sawmills and Milling

69 Replies
8209 Views
Last post May 15, 2015, 06:04:19 PM
by Delawhere Jack
xx
Have you heard of Bio-Gem?

Started by TN_man on General Board

13 Replies
1731 Views
Last post November 21, 2004, 10:20:43 AM
by TN_man
xx
Now I've heard it all

Started by Ernie on General Board

17 Replies
3100 Views
Last post April 01, 2010, 12:00:24 AM
by sawguy21
xx
Have you ever heard of this?

Started by Ocklawahaboy on Sawmills and Milling

8 Replies
1155 Views
Last post April 13, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
by Brucer
 


Powered by EzPortal