Hi All, I bought an old house last June, it's equipped with an indoor wood furnace for heating. I'm looking to cut my own wood this spring for next winter and need some advice on chainsaw purchasing. I'm female, 40, about 130 lbs and would prefer a Stihl. I've found some (what I think are nice-used) saws, but I'm unsure what size I need to cut 15-20 pick up loads of red and white oak. I don't want something that's going to drag me through the woods, but also want good power so I'm not shot after one load. My stove takes pieces that are about two feet long up to 10 inches in diameter. Any suggestions? Older 028? New MS250? Help please.....Gwen
Welcome aboard, hope you stick around. There have been numerous discussions on this very topic, go to the Search function at the top of the page.
I think you might find the 028 a little heavy at the end of a days work. Great saw but old technology. The MS250 may be a little light for your needs although it will get the job done. The MS261 is about the same size but is more durable and has more power. One of the best in it's class.
Welcome to the forum Gwen,
Invest in a forestry / arborist grade chainsaw. Well worth the extra money to last you for probably as long as you will be able to run a saw, for the little cutting you do.
The MS261 or older 260 or 026 is an excellent choice. But try out a MS201 rear handle or older MS200 rear handle and you will be pleasantly surprised with its power and lightness
Check out the Husqvarna 545.
Welcome to the Forum.
Get to know the Stihl dealer and lean on him/her for available used saws, for getting to know your needs, and for helping you keep the saw in the wood. They can't help but get on your side of the job you want to get done with their personal interest. May even have some good deals on new saws now or later.
And there is more to it than just getting a saw. Sharpening needs, fuel needs, tuning needs, etc. all enter into the equation.
As well, you will get a lot of help here. Just keep asking.
QuoteI'm looking to cut my own wood this spring for next winter and
That wood likely will not be very dry for good burning by next winter. It will burn, but not heat well as many BTU's will be used to just get rid of the moisture. Just sayin......
In general, I would say that's a serious amount of wood, so get a serious saw, from the best dealer and take good care of it. But that's not what you're asking, so you probably know those things.
I hope you realize that red oak takes twice as long as typical hardwoods to properly air-dry. With the size pieces you're talking, it won't be speedy either. While that oak dries, you might want to have alternate sources handy, of something burnable.
One saw just won't cut it. It will get pinched- Murphy will get involved. Get wedges.
For one of your saws, I'd recommend a 435 Husqy. Can be had for $170 from VMInnovations as a refurb. For the second, a 555 Husqy. Unless you want to dump $ on stihl. Use the $ on PPE. :)
Whatever the saw, learn how to file the chain well, and do it often. No saw will cut well for long with a dull chain, no matter how you press.
find the best dealer in your area. Dealer is more inportant than saw brand. Just get a major brand saw.
Welcome to the Forum
Your profile does not list where you live. If you are in a hot area like mine, where summer temps are generally over 100 and humidity is less than 15%, then if you get the wood split down to a manageable size, it should season enough over the summer to give reasonable heat next winter. If you are in a cooler location or with a lot higher humidity, then your ability to dry the wood before next winter could certainly be in jeopardy. It will cost more and be more labor intensive, but one of the things you can do to accelerate the drying process is to use a "green house" type wood shed that doubles as a solar kiln. That will increase the heat, and you will likely have to have a fan running to remove the resulting moist air out of the kiln/shed. Splitting the pieces smaller also helps accelerate the drying process as it creates more surface area that will dry quicker.
As to saws, I am also a confirmed Stihl fan. My first saw was a Stihl 024 with an 18" bar when I was 12 yrs old, (and probably about your size). It still runs and is now a backup saw. I cut hundreds of cords of oak with it over the years. Pound for pound, that was the best saw I have ever used. If you can find a good running, refurbished 024, I don't think you could go wrong.
One of the things you really need to think about is the size of the trees you are going to be cutting. If they are 24" or smaller on average, then a 16 to 18" bar should be your best fit. If they are bigger, then you really probably want at least a 20" bar. Depending on your height, you may find one length does better for you, especially when cutting limbs sitting on the ground. Too short a bar, and you will be left having to lean over or squatting which will put more stress on your back and legs and tire you quicker. A longer bar than you need, is more weight you don't really need, and again, will tire you quicker. I find a 20" bar is perfect for me for most oak trees in my area, but you need to try some different length bars at your Stihl dealer to see what works best for you.
Unlike probably many or most on this forum, I would not recommend spending the extra money on a "professional" Stihl chainsaw. You are going to be cutting a lot of wood, but nothing compared to a professional that is using their saw everyday. I would recommend one of the mid-grade, (ranch saws), that Stihl markets. Either the MS-271 or MS-290 would be my recommendation as a starting point. The MS-271 is almost a pound lighter, (8% difference) than the MS-291, which may make a big difference to your comfort level using it. The MS-290 has more power and higher torque, and is my personal preference, but again, you should try them both and see which feels better to you.
Just a note about the length/size of firewood you will be cutting. While your stove may be able to handle a 10" width and 24" length, you have to figure out whether you can handle carrying, stacking and loading that length and weight of wood. You can also run into difficulties getting multiple long pieces in the stove at the same time. So I generally have found that cutting 16-18" lengths seems to be the sweet spot for most people. You will always end up with some shorter and longer pieces, but again, on average I would predict you will find 16-18" will best fit your needs. If you are using a hydraulic splitter, making the pieces 7-8" thick on average is also probably your best bet. Easier to load in the stove, and optimal for drying/seasoning.
Hope that helps. Let us know when you make your final decision and what you chose.
Dave
Welcome
To the Forestry Forum. You have been given some good advice on saws already, the only thing I will add is if ou don't know your way around a saw a lot, look into a safety course, or look up someone you trust who has a lot of saw experience, that can show you firsthand safe chainsaw use. Of course proper PPE(person protection equipment) will save body parts and maybe your life, and at least it will save your hearing and keep the chips out of your eyes! Cutting wood is a lot of fun (at least I find it so). Good luck, and stay safe!
Quote from: SLawyer Dave on April 01, 2013, 02:07:49 AM
Welcome to the Forum
Your profile does not list where you live. If you are in a hot area like mine, where summer temps are generally over 100 and humidity is less than 15%, then if you get the wood split down to a manageable size, it should season enough over the summer to give reasonable heat next winter. If you are in a cooler location or with a lot higher humidity, then your ability to dry the wood before next winter could certainly be in jeopardy. It will cost more and be more labor intensive, but one of the things you can do to accelerate the drying process is to use a "green house" type wood shed that doubles as a solar kiln. That will increase the heat, and you will likely have to have a fan running to remove the resulting moist air out of the kiln/shed. Splitting the pieces smaller also helps accelerate the drying process as it creates more surface area that will dry quicker.
As to saws, I am also a confirmed Stihl fan. My first saw was a Stihl 024 with an 18" bar when I was 12 yrs old, (and probably about your size). It still runs and is now a backup saw. I cut hundreds of cords of oak with it over the years. Pound for pound, that was the best saw I have ever used. If you can find a good running, refurbished 024, I don't think you could go wrong.
One of the things you really need to think about is the size of the trees you are going to be cutting. If they are 24" or smaller on average, then a 16 to 18" bar should be your best fit. If they are bigger, then you really probably want at least a 20" bar. Depending on your height, you may find one length does better for you, especially when cutting limbs sitting on the ground. Too short a bar, and you will be left having to lean over or squatting which will put more stress on your back and legs and tire you quicker. A longer bar than you need, is more weight you don't really need, and again, will tire you quicker. I find a 20" bar is perfect for me for most oak trees in my area, but you need to try some different length bars at your Stihl dealer to see what works best for you.
Unlike probably many or most on this forum, I would not recommend spending the extra money on a "professional" Stihl chainsaw. You are going to be cutting a lot of wood, but nothing compared to a professional that is using their saw everyday. I would recommend one of the mid-grade, (ranch saws), that Stihl markets. Either the MS-271 or MS-290 would be my recommendation as a starting point. The MS-271 is almost a pound lighter, (8% difference) than the MS-291, which may make a big difference to your comfort level using it. The MS-290 has more power and higher torque, and is my personal preference, but again, you should try them both and see which feels better to you.
Just a note about the length/size of firewood you will be cutting. While your stove may be able to handle a 10" width and 24" length, you have to figure out whether you can handle carrying, stacking and loading that length and weight of wood. You can also run into difficulties getting multiple long pieces in the stove at the same time. So I generally have found that cutting 16-18" lengths seems to be the sweet spot for most people. You will always end up with some shorter and longer pieces, but again, on average I would predict you will find 16-18" will best fit your needs. If you are using a hydraulic splitter, making the pieces 7-8" thick on average is also probably your best bet. Easier to load in the stove, and optimal for drying/seasoning.
Hope that helps. Let us know when you make your final decision and what you chose.
Dave
Your 024 is a pro saw, in the Stihl lineup I'd get a used 026 or MS260 way before a new MS290 or MS291. Steve
I have the 261 Stihl that was mentioned earlier and really like it. It has a compression release that makes it easier to pull when starting and just has a nice balance in my hands. Safety equipment like chaps, helmet with face shield and hearing protection are not just for people that cut a lot, the first day cutting may be the day you need them!
I had a ms261 when I was doing thinning work on a national forest here in Pa. It had great power, was very light, and had the decompression button to aid starting. I wish that i would have kept it ;)
I've run Husqvarna pro series saws for the majority of all our needs the last 30 years with a few Stihls in the lineup. Dollar for dollar Husky has always had the next leg up in innovation at slightly less cost, I've never not taken a hard look at both manufacturers comparable models when it was time to buy saws, for that kind of money it would be foolish not to compare them for value.
Outside the pro line and homeowner grade saws from either Husky or Stihl, by all means look at what Echo has brought to the table. Compare the required EPA labeling for engine life hours, first thing you'll notice is Echo rates their saws at 300 engine hours versus the 125 hours the competition offers on homeowner grade units. Much better warranty, five years IIRC. Better quality and value all the way around at fair prices.
A good dealer should help you choice too. Around here "good" is harder and harder to find.By good I mean good knowledge. Yes,there is saleman,book knowledge,but woods knowledge is getting hard to find. Most now sell alot of other stuff to get by. I don't know if the companies make them sell all that other stuff or not.
I don't know if you have PPE previously mentioned, but check this out if you don't. Good to think about.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,65363.0.html
As for a saw, what size logs are you going to be cutting? You'll probably want 50cc at least, something like a 260/026 or 261 would be a good bet.
I also have a MS261 with a 16" bar and very happy with the power, balance and starting of the saw
I agree with JohnG28 that a good 50 cc saw is a nice place to start if weight is at a premium. What you get as you go from homeowner saws, to midrange, to pro level saws is an improvement in reliability, repairability, and power to weight ratio. Stihl, Husky, Dolmar, and others all make some good saws in this size range.
Within most major manufacturers saws, there are less expensive saws in this size range, but you'll pick up some extra weight. It may not seem like much, but even a half pound can make a noticeable difference, especially when you're not a 200#, 20-something year old who does this every day. Something to put saw weights in perspective for you: a 13 pound saw for you, Gwen, would be like a 20# saw for that 200# 20-something. Some of the pro-level 50 cc saws are around 11 or 11.5 pounds. They are a good match for a 16" bar, and will cut your oak acceptably, if you keep the chain sharp (I'm assuming you are not cutting a ton of 14"+ diameters... you can cut those with 50 cc saws, it just takes a bit of patience)
Start with your LOCAL dealer then go from there. Buy the best saw you can in the pro/forestry range, built to last. Buy for quality and reliability the FIRST time.
Gwen I wonder what experience you have w/ a chainsaw? W/ out proper training & safety equipment.. a chainsaw can be unforgiving. Take everyone's advice and talk w/ a dealer.. get training if you haven't.. be safe & I hope you find the saw that fits your needs.
Kensfarm raises a good point. If you let us know what part of the country you are in, we can recommend some good organizations providing chainsaw safety and technique training. Attending a Game of Logging class was probably the best thing I ever did. I was just getting in to using a chainsaw, and realized I needed some help if I wanted to be around to see my kids grow up (and have full use of all my limbs when doing so).
I learned so much from the one class, I got hooked... I've taken levels 1 through 4, and their "storm damage clean-up" class as well. In all of these classes, the others in the class ranged from relative greenhorns to guys who had been making a living with a chainsaw for years. I've yet to meet anyone who took one of these courses and felt it was a waste of their time and money (of course, we've got an excellent group of GOL instructors here in Vermont).
Please do let us know what you end up with for a saw, and how it works out for you.
I mentioned the Husqvarna 545 earlier. Just wanted to also say it is a 50cc saw with a powerhead weight of only 10.8 lbs. May be worth checking out if you have a dealer in your area.
Welcome to the forum....find a place where you can get service. There are as many good saws as there are opinions. Someone to help you along as you learn will mean a lot to you. Spend the few extra bucks and get a commercial grade saw. You wont be sorry.
Did we intimidate Ms Gwen somehow?
Hope we helped her make a chainsaw decision, at least. 8)
Forget your log in password? I been waiting to see what you got. I have a new 230 with the special chain and easy start. It really helps when you get old like me to not have to sharpen as much and pull as hard on the rope like the other saws.
I ran my 025 for years, I am now in the process of repairing it for the last time. It will be fixed and put on the shelf. Last week I bought a 261 and absolutley love it. I believe my 261 with a 18" bar can almost outcut my 440 with a 24". If one could swing the cash for it I would have a hard time believeing it gets much better than that 261
Quote from: Dave VH on April 06, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
I ran my 025 for years, I am now in the process of repairing it for the last time. It will be fixed and put on the shelf. Last week I bought a 261 and absolutley love it. I believe my 261 with a 18" bar can almost outcut my 440 with a 24". If one could swing the cash for it I would have a hard time believeing it gets much better than that 261
Don't know how much you've run your 261 so far but mine really picked up after about 5 tanks through it.
havent ran it that much yet, but I'm looking forward to it
I'm wondering if Gwen found this sit, posted, and then forgot where she found us?
someone could send her a pm and resolve that question.
Maybe she dropped a tree on herself or something.
Well I hope not after the news on the Forum this morning involving that very subject.
Not funny.
No response from a PM I sent to her a few day ago.
She did check back onto the Forum after her original post and my PM. But no response.
Prolly got the answer she was looking for and is hopefully happy and sawing wood.
Might have missed the PMs. Don't you have to turn on notifications for them somewhere, or is that a default?
I bet she bought a poulan and is still in the wood trying to start it.
poulan=pull an pull an pull an ;D
Quote from: Compensation on April 10, 2013, 01:40:14 AM
I bet she bought a poulan and is still in the wood trying to start it.
Hey, now... lets not start picking on her in her absence. I'm going to go with Beenthere's explanation until I her otherwise (got the answer she was looking for and is hopefully happy and sawing wood).
Quote from: John Mc on April 10, 2013, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Compensation on April 10, 2013, 01:40:14 AM
I bet she bought a poulan and is still in the wood trying to start it.
Hey, now... lets not start picking on her in her absence. I'm going to go with Beenthere's explanation until I her otherwise (got the answer she was looking for and is hopefully happy and sawing wood).
I was clearly talking quality of the saw, not the operator. Its a poulan I was talking about, that should be obvious. I looked for a donkey animation to put here for you but they don't have one. smiley_thumbsup
I just really want to know what she bought. My ms230 makes #14 for me. New equipment gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. :)
I knew you were picking on the saw, and not the operator. I was just kidding around. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Gwen, not just the saw, but invest in some good protective gear too. Have you had any experience with a saw? If not, it's best to get some coaching. Avoiding kickback, pinching etc. are all skills that will make it safer and a lot more fun. Your stove runs pretty fair sized logs. By the way, how do you split them? Hydraulic?