New addition to the fleet! Hey Furby, got this 60' mobile home frame with two axles installed, third one thrown in after some bardering and paid $400.00
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Towed it home today right down the highway :o 8) :o That was interesting to say the least!
I plan on cutting it down to make a GOOD triple axle 30 foot log trailer.
Hey Buzz, ready to start welding?
Had a tri-axle gooseneck...2,000 bf of logs on and I could roll one tire off quite easy when I made a sharp corner. Don't know if that is common or just my luck. ::)
Quote from: Larry on October 03, 2005, 04:03:26 PM
Had a tri-axle gooseneck...2,000 bf of logs on and I could roll one tire off quite easy when I made a sharp corner. Don't know if that is common or just my luck. ::)
I have tri-axel livestock trailer. Keeping the tires on is not a problem if you don't use radial tires and keep enough air in them. I keep about 70psi in the tires.
Keeping the air high enough will keep the tires on but you will never get as good mileage from a set of tires as you would with tandem axle. The third set means the tire must skid to make a turn anything more than a gentle curve. Skidding leaves $ on the pavement, but don't worry, they make new tires all the time and you will be helping the local tire shop stay in business. ;D
:D :D :D :D :D
Ya see, when Kirk was up this way we saw a trailer for sale. I stopped to look at it and it was a 32' I think, boat trailer....they were asking $3200 for it.
Actually Kirk, I was considering asking if anyone had a rig like that to haul something, passed though. ::)
Looks like you would have a good start on a second 30' or maybe a 20' eh? ;) ;D
They guy I got it from has two more with tandem axles but one is 14 foot wide and he wants $450 and I think the other is $350.
He also has several with axles but no tires for $250.
You gonna haul that thing out to Buzz, or have him work on it at your place?
I've had several mobile home axle trailers over the years and have had problems with every one. As it was explained to me the tires are very cheap as they are made for one trip only. After several hundred miles they start splitting and coming apart. I gave a buddy who still has one and he has to replace the tires every 3 or 4 months even though the trailer gets very little use. The tire and rim size is unique so you can't put on a better tire nor can you use a different rim.
We use low-boy trailer tires on our mobile home axles. They wear VERY well. They are a harder rubber and I paid around $75.00 each. 8-14.5 10 ply.
Harold, the tires that are on this are 7-14.5. I assume the 7 is the tread width?
Where did you get the tires your talking about? I know mobile home tires are not that great and was planning on replacing them anyway but for now they will work for what I have to do.
My current urgency on this trailer is to get it cut to size, decked and ready to load some 38' white oaks for my Timber Frame shop.
Kirk,
Why would you want to deck it if you using it to hall logs? Seems to me that it would save ypou some weight.
Ron
Rigidity....................Is that a word? The side wing supports on the trailer hold lots of vertical weight but can bend back and forth real easy. I plan on welding a side plate the length of the trailer to tie them together but having it decked stiffens it up quite a bit. The main I-Beam on tis is only 3/16th materail so the excess we cut off is going to be used to reinforce and beef up the main beams.
Decking it will let me use the trailer for many other options in the future.
I will progably put better axles under it in the future after reading this: I am thinking two axles in the 5000 lb range each. That should take care of what I need to do.
"AXLES - Can mobile home axles be reused?
The Dexter MH (mobile home) type axle is designed for limited usage in the delivery of manufactured homes and has a one-time limit use. The axle has steel forged spindles that are not precision ground. The brake assembly is welded onto the beam and not intended to be field replaced. Additionally, the bearing package is smaller than the more expensive service type axle. Most MH axles are also equipped with a single leaf spring suspension for very heavy loads. We do not have components that would convert MH axles to servicable assemblies"
I have a extra super heavy duty sixteen foot three axle trailer that I use to haul scrap shingles. Wide turns are a must especially when heavily loaded. I use regular axles under it not Mobil home axles and 15 inch tires. Usually about once a year I replace the front axle. The weight of a track hoe bucket dragging them off (it does have a steel plate floor in in over two by eight decking) along with the pressure put on the axles from turning will eventually warp them. I just bought two new axles with hubs and springs. Five thousand pound axels. I get them from a place that builds trailers and the cost per axle runs around 125 dollars apiece. They use big hole Chevrolet rims. Even though we run magnets we still have 'lots' of flats so I like to be able to run tires that are readily available.
Heaviest I ever loaded it, 70 square of scrap shingles at appx 195 pounds per square. The weight and the sharp rocks at the dump punctured one of the tires and by the time I got dumped I blew two more on the same side. Thinking I was just a 'mite' overloaded..
However I regularily haul 40 to 50 square of scrap on this trailer without a 'lot' of problems...... :)
Yeah, yeah. Go look at some of our loads. Longest trips are 3 hours and 200 miles. LUBE the brake parts, re-pack all bearings and pay attention. We use the brakes that came with the axles. They slide the tires with a full load. ;D
Axles are 6000 pound rated. ;D
The notion that MH tires are only used for one trip is a myth. After a new MH is delivered and set up, the dealer sells the axles and tires back to the manufacturer, who puts them on another new trailer.
Quote from: florida on October 04, 2005, 06:36:58 AM
I've had several mobile home axle trailers over the years and have had problems with every one. As it was explained to me the tires are very cheap as they are made for one trip only. After several hundred miles they start splitting and coming apart. I gave a buddy who still has one and he has to replace the tires every 3 or 4 months even though the trailer gets very little use. The tire and rim size is unique so you can't put on a better tire nor can you use a different rim.
most of the tires I have used from mobile homes were
either 6 or 8 ply.very tough ...maybe yours are different i have not seen a one ply trailer home tire. ??? :)
Regarding single use .well that is to cover thier but most likely.I have been hauling d-4 dozers, T-9 dozers....and anything else you can think of on 2 axles for 11 years......and got them USED when i started..they had been a trailer for years.
i have seen these axles more generally in use than any other axle......even on commercially built trailers. :)
Quote from: DanG on October 04, 2005, 10:45:19 AM
The notion that MH tires are only used for one trip is a myth. After a new MH is delivered and set up, the dealer sells the axles and tires back to the manufacturer, who puts them on another new trailer.
Right you are DanG, but the bottom line(and this is directed to everyone) is that according to Federal DOT regs(CFRs), mobile home axles, tires, or any other component labeled as "mobile home, or MH use only" are prohibited from being used for any other over the road purpose. I first became aware of this several years ago after reading something on Yesterdays Tractors where the link to the Fed DOT code was posted at that time. I`m sorry that I no longer have the link but it shouldn`t be too hard to find the info.
Another thing to consider is that some states, like New york where I live, have their own requirements for legal compliance above and beyond what the Fed rules require. I`ve seen several cases where homebuilt trailers using mobile home axles and tires have been in accidents which weren`t related to a failure of any MH component, and the user of the trailer took a huge bath in court due to the illegal components on the trailer. Just a few years ago I read in the paper where a local guy was using MH tires on a factory built trailer, Eager Beaver as I recall, which became uncoupled form the dumptruck that was towing it and hit a car passing in the other direction, head on. The driver of the car was killed and the owner of the dump truck and trailer subsequently lost everything because he was negligent in hauling a trailer that could not have legally passed our state inspection or a Fed DOT inspection.
I guess that all I`m trying to say is that it`s false economy to use something that may set you up for a huge liability.
Russ
Hi Russ
In the area I live farmers haul round bails piled sky high on old mobile home frames...........
I guess if you were affraid of DOT or state inspection it would be an issue.
fact is it isnt around here in central Illinois we can build and title anything on wheels.....
:)
I have a 3 axle, 24 ft flatbed gooseneck trailer that came with trailer house hubs and rims with 9-14.5 tires. Trailer is rated at 22,500 lbs. In one year when I was hauling a lot of hay, I bought 14 tires and had numerous others replaced by Goodyear because they failed immediately. When I first got the trailer those tires were about $75 each. When I finally gave up on them, they were being made in Mexico and cost $175 each. You can buy new hubs, wheel bearings, and 8 bolt rims for those axles and get rid of those worthless 14.5 tires. The local Goodyear rep practically begged me to make the conversion and even bought back some of the tires I had. There is a reason why those mobile home movers carry 15-20 spares when they have to move some distance. I found out that one spare is not enough. The 9-14.5 tires are 12 ply construction but are only made in bias construction and the heat build up destroys them. If you absolutely have to use them, keep your speeds down below 50 MPH and keep your loads light. The 7-14.5 and 8-14.5 are even lower rated tires than the 9-14.5.
As far as the trailer house frame, my wife's brother found one of those real cheap and got me to make a trailer for him. I would never do it again. I shortened that frame and welded reinforcing on it and it was still flimsy and wobbly. He only hauls his lawnmowers on it and I think the wood deck is the only thing that keeps it from going around corners like a snake. Trying to weld on that flimsy I-Beam frame will cause a lot of warping and bending.
You do what you like, but if it was my money, I would buy one of those new $5-6,000 gooseneck trailers with tandem duals and rated at 20,000 lbs. They are made a little light, but with one of those, you will have something you can use and not spend your time working on.
In Pa you can't get a trailer inspected with Mobil home tires on it. They have to say DOT approved. I just went to a mobile home junk yard, and bought 4 tires and rims, about a month ago. They are 10 or 12 ply and raised the price to $30 this time.
I seen to have about 2 flats a year and just put on a different tire and rim when it happens.
The trailer is a Southeast rated at 12k but licensed at 10k . When I haul my 8k pound Kubota the tires get a little warm but seem to carry it ok.
Bought the frame from a 10' wide house trailer and cut it down to make a forwarding trailer. Its all done but the log bunks and hoist . Made it 6' wide and long enough to haul 16' logs. I ordered an 8 ton jack with clevis ends and am planning to make something like the hoist they sell to mount in the back of a pickup. It should lift a fairly large log but I'm not sure if I will be able to swing it over the trailer by hand.
::)
Quote from: Buzz-sawyer on October 04, 2005, 02:36:10 PM
Hi Russ
In the area I live farmers haul round bails piled sky high on old mobile home frames...........
I guess if you were affraid of DOT or state inspection it would be an issue.
fact is it isnt around here in central Illinois we can build and title anything on wheels.....
:)
Hi Buzz-Sawyer,
The process to get any custom built trailer in New York legally registered is to have any unladen trailer weighing more than 1,000 pounds or a trailer that when loaded, weighs more than 3,000 pounds, inspected by a NYS Dept. of Motor Vehicles inspector. If the inspection is sat, a vin # is issued and the trailer can be registered. The inspectors don`t do load and stress calcs or things of that nature. They check for contraban components and a general sense of whether the trailer was designed and built adequately. The fact of the matter is that there are a bunch of trailers on the road that have never been registered or inspected. The fines for this are petty.
The real issue is not however, whether or not the trailer can be registered, the issue is whether or not it would legally comply with the applicable laws and pass inspection. This is so important because of how someone might use a lack of compliance against you in a worst case scenario of an accident involving a fatality. Don`t forget that there are bottom feeding lawyers under every lilly pad out there just waiting for some
poor victim to seek their assistance in a civil suit. It is the stock and trade of these lawyers to know every applicable angle.
Keep in mind that from what I`ve seen, most motor vehicle civil suits are settled for the value of the defendants liabilty insurance unless the defendant has minimal insurance, especially if the defendant appears to have a substantial net worth as is often the case with farmers. Every nimrod out ther has heard of the quarter million dollar tractors and the yards full of buried mason jars full of money that the farmers have, and they all want their rightful share. From reading I`ve done on the subject and from talking to many people, I`m convinced that most rural folks are under insured relative to their risk, especially the non-corporate farmers.
It`s not about whether the trailer is flimsy or whether or not the MH tires are road worthy, it`s about keeping what you`ve worked so hard for. If you are building a trailer, how much do you save by using recycled MH components? A few hundred dollars? It`s not worth it to me to not only jeopardize my standard of living, but also that of my child and the rest of my family who would no doubt suffer if I was dragged through court and lost all of my material possessions.
I know that there are probably a million old trailers out there made of MH components that are as good as anything that could be bought, but you`ve got to consider the risk of using one that could get you into a legal jam. It`s no different than assessing the risk of crossing a very busy intersection on foot. I know that I can walk against the light 999 times out of a thousand with no ramifications, but can I afford the consequences of what may happen on the 1000th crossing?
Food for thought, my friends. That`s all.
Russ
Up here the DOT peoiple would skin you alive. :o
Backwoods and country sideroads aren't safe either anymore.
They held instruction courses for the local and Provincial Police and taught them what's allowed, and what isn't.
We wen't through a rash of tires coming off transports a couple years back, after a couple folks got killed, and a few very public, very nasty accidents on top, they got downright ugly with the truckers.
The truckers assoc. though fought right back and pressured the Police and DOT with a "If we have to comply so do the cars...." arguement.
It worked!!!
They routinely pull over anything that looks suspicious, and will stop for every trailer or older looking car or truck on the shoulder.
Under the new enforcement & safety reg's, anything with 3 safety 'faults' can be towed off the road and the plates seized. Even a burned out light bulb is a safety fault. If you have 3 burnt out lights they can (and will & have) take the plates and have a vehicle towed to the pound.
If you want new plates you have to have the vehicle re-inspected first.
It's working though, used to be that every spring & fall there was a one-wheeled, lop-sided piece of junk trailer on the shoulder every 5 minutes along any main highway. Not anymore.
Cars complain about truckers, truckers complain about cars. What's good for the one getting goosed is good for the one goosing I guess. :D
We had an old tri-axle mobile home frame trailer that we used on the farm. It was decked and cross braced but still had too much flex to be of much use. The tail end of it was drug off more than once trying to cross terraces in the field. We couldn't keep tires on it until we finally put tubes in everything and that helped a lot. It has been parked now for 10 or 12 years. We also had a couple of tobacco trailers built from I-beams from a mobile home frame. They were junked as well. They were very easy to turn over due to the excessive flex.
Wudman
Well I have to first say thanks for all the input. It's appreciated. 8)
Next I will have to say, the challenge is on! After reading all the negative info one might ask, Why build your own band mill? You will have this problem or that! Better off to just buy a new one.
Well, why build my own trailer. First and foremost its a challenge! Second, I have ran the numbers and for what a GOOD trailer to do what I need it to do is going to cost its simply to much to spend.
I have a fair amount of 1/4" I-Beam material to use as the main support frame and with all the extra material this trailer already has I am CONFIDENT that I will be able to build a QUALITY trailer that WILL NOT have all the problems mentioned, although I appreciate them being mentioned ;D
My goal is to do it myself, well almost (Buzzsawyer to the rescue :D) and end up with a trailer that if I want to sell it will bring me several thousand dollars because it was built right. As far as axles, for the short term I will use what I have. Once I get my logs home and have more time (does that ever happen? :D) I plan on putting some standard 7K lb axles under it with 8 lug 16 inch rims and quality tires.
Any gamblers out there that want to take a bet how this is going to turn out?
No, I'll take your word on it....it sounds like you have high standards ;)
Knowing you Kirk, there's no DanG way I'm gonna bet against ya! ;)
My trailer has MH axles. I bought them from a local MH dealer. The wheels and axles were not together. Some of the tires say "for mobile home use only" some do not . Guess which ones I picked out. I have seen "for mobile home use only" tires not last. The ones I bought have been there for over a year and been overloaded at least once per trip. They have lasted well.
Will
Kirk, I do not see why your trailer will not work. If you build it to handle the load then there should be no problems. Farmers around here use MH frame trailers all the time to haul their big round bales of hay but most haul it with their tractors(ie slow). I assume that you are working with Buzz on this and with Buzz's tendency to build for the worst condition possible that your trailer will probably perform wonderful but you may need a semi tractor to haul it though. :D :D :D
Farmerdoug
Plans are to haul it with my Grandfathers F600 grain truck. Breaks should be fixed tomarrow if the creek dont rise ;D
That old 223 six is going to be stressed pulling that trailer ;D
When I am done the trailer is going to be around 30 feet long. I need to be able to haul about 10 of the 38 foot white oaks I have and after that the trailer will be overkill for any future hauling but thats OK! Those power line guys seem to have some pretty long FREE poles now and then and it will work great for that.
That 223 will do just fine! With the two speed differential I can put her in granny gear and go where ever I want! The main project of getting these logs home wont be a problem since I am only going 6 miles on country roads!
I wasn't tryin' ta hint that it wouldn't be built (re-built?) well....... ::)
Especially if Buzz has his hand in it, I get the impression anything he builds is more than durable. ;)
I was just pointin' out dat da days of runnin' stuff that haint got a certificate that says it complies with either the FMVSS or the CMVSS and a safety cert. sticker, it haint gonna go far down the road afore sombody sezs ta pull it over whiles they have a squint at it. ::)
Well between the Paul Bunyian show Buzz and I managed to get A LOT done on the triailer. He took a bunch of pics so I am sure when he gets home and recoops from some LONG days and NIGHTS, he will post our progress photos.
Best guess is that it will COMFORTABLY haul 15,000 lbs of STUFF ;D
Quote from: Kirk Allen on October 09, 2005, 08:30:07 PM
Well between the Paul Bunyian show Buzz and I managed to get A LOT done on the triailer. He took a bunch of pics so I am sure when he gets home and recoops from some LONG days and NIGHTS, he will post our progress photos.
Best guess is that it will COMFORTABLY haul 15,000 lbs of STUFF ;D
Kirk,
Trailers for hauling 15k# of stuff usually have atleast tandem axles with duallies on each end, but often have three dually axles. I guess that you must have added some new axles since you took the original picture? Probably air brakes and a heavy duty pintle hitch too? :o
Russ
You had better keep that axe hidden, Kirk. ;D
Now Frank, if I didnt know better I would say you are on the war path :D :D
Just be patient. Your axe is coming ;D
Can anyone tell me what the advantages or disadvantages on the direction you place decking on the trailer. I plan on decking this trailer with Red Oak and am debating running it length ways or sideways. I know most trailers have it ran the lenght of the trailer but was just curious if there are any disadvantages doing it across.
Lengthways would add strength to the trailer. especially on a long span. It is also a lot less cutting and waste.
I am not an engineer, but if you had 4 or 5 major stringers running the length of the trailer, I would suspect that there could also be additional strength added by running crossways on the trailer. The same holds true in my thinking for running lengthwise. Usually the majority of stringers run crossways on a trailer. Just some random thoughts on a day without my used axe. :'(
Kirk
It depends more on the type of frame under the decking and how you load the trailer. Most trailers have two main I-beams running the length of the trailer with some type of cross beams on top of the main I-beams with an outside frame with stake pockets. The spacing of the cross beams is usually 16-20 inches for support. The deck is then laid length ways and the joints are staggered. However this construction method will give you at least a 34 inch high deck.
If you go crossways directly on top of the main I-beams, you get a lower deck, but you need more support so you still must build a braced outside frame and other supports under the decking to reduce the span between the supports. The wheels will stick up above the deck.
So length ways will add some strength on a long trailer, but the decision is usually dictated by other factors.
Buzz we need some pics!
The original H-beams from the MH trailer are the outer beams. We then placed two 6" x 1/4" I-Beams between the outer Beams. From that we used 6"x1/4 C-channel as cross members between both the outer beams and the I-Beams. Then on the outside of the H-beams there were those factory triangle braces. We cut those down so that they only stuck out 7 inches from the H-Beam. I am placing the same 6" 1/4" C-channel lenghtwise on those triangle braces so that the side of the trailer will have a clean surface to mount the anchor brackets for chains, hooks etc.
I wll try to get some pics today. Yesterday one of the local loggers stopped by and after looking at the trailer said he had a Bulldozer I could use to pull it :D
It is built STOUT and I am confident will hold the load I need to put on it.
I am contiplating placing the decking crossways directly on the steel. Some folks mentioned using stringers then decking on top of it. Why use ANY stringers?
Hey Kevin, still waiting on the Log-Rite Blue specs so we can get this think painted. With any luck I will be painting by Thursday. 8)
Kevin, make sure you send him the specs for the pink powder coating. 8) 8) 8)
Kirk, why did you decide to go with red oak?
OWW, he can't get the White Oak home to saw for the bed. ;) :)
Kirk, every piece of wood that is run longways to the bed will add strength to the main beams. Cross pieces will not give rigidity like long pieces. Long pieces require less fasteners. ;) ;) ;D
i am with deadhead.....on going longwise i believe your strenght will be increased.and the job will be much quicker .......but man if you put full 2 inch oak on that....it will be a heavy dude :D :D
Harold you hit the nail on the head. The trailer is needed to bring the white oak home ;D
I could use Walnut? Or Cherry, but I dont think that stuff is as strong as the Oak.
I thought about using Osage but man, that adds A LOT of weight ;D
If it were mine, I would get some Pressure treated SYP. Pine works good for carrying wheeled vehicles and loads of lumber. It doesn't weigh too much and the pressure treating means that you don't have to replace it next year.
The Treated SYP sounds great but that would mean I would have to BUY lumber. I aint doing that in this small town. 30 foot long trailer, 8' 6" wide and 1 1/2" thick would be almost 400 BF of lumber. COST PROHIBITIVE!
Anyone where to get special metal fastners for anchoring decking to metal? I think they make some that have the tip that drills the pilot hole in the metal then self taps until tight.
Cross strips of flatbar. Bolt right through everything. Both ends and maybe twice in the middle. WHY ya deckin it ????????? Logs won't fall through. If ya need a deck later, THEN add it. ::) ::) ::)
Kirk
Self-tapping screws source for me would be McMaster-Carr
McMaster (http://www.mcmaster.com/) and search on 'self-tapping screws' . They ship fast and have reasonable rates. Ordered by 4 pm and delivered UPS 11 am next day.
i would just drill through the wood and light gauge steel cross members, and put common carriage bolts through.youll be replacing them in 5 years or so anyway....(If it lives outside)................
if ya keep it in a shed i would say use your cotton wood..strong as hickory and light as white pine........just keep it dry :o :D
Quote from: Fla._Deadheader on October 17, 2005, 01:24:08 PM
Cross strips of flatbar. Bolt right through everything. Both ends and maybe twice in the middle.
That's what I did too Harold and I think it will be quicker when the time comes to change the decking(2x6x18' D-Fir)
5 cross straps with 5 carriage bolts in each strap.
Well just a couple more brackets to weld and then I am ready to work on the side rails and tie down pieces.
I am ordering my axles, springs, and wheels in the morning and should have them in a week.
Buzz has some early shots of the inprogress work but this is what it looks like today.
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wal one thing it sure wont bend :D you and buzz did a real fine job there.
like Harold said dont worry bout a deck go get them big oak and stick um on there then deck it 8)
I noticed today that a mobile home frame at the local dealer's had 8 axels under it. Want me to go relieve it of a couple and send them your way? I doubt that the dealer would notice them missing. :) :) :D :D :D
I have to wait about a week for the axles (2- 7K axles with breaks) so while I wait I will fire up the mill and get the decking cut.
Spent a good part of the day cutting telephone poles for some treated posts to fix the header in the barn. I have to replace about 18 feet of header and truss. Going to use the treated T-poles for the main support posts, 5x5, and 2x10 cotton wood lumber to span the 18 feet.
Its amazing how creative you have to be when you work by yourself. Took a while to figure out the best way to support the roof and the loft but once I got if shored up it looks like its going to be a simple fix.
When I get fried from welding I just step over to the barn ;D
When I was in high school my dad bought a GMC 3500 cab and chasis. The first load on it was white ash logs we took to the mill. We just put 4x4's across the frame and loaded. The second load was sawed lumber on the same 4x4's. Then I built a body in the school shop.
Will
Quote from: Kirk Allen on October 17, 2005, 10:12:02 PM
When I get fried from welding I just step over to the barn ;D
I know what ya mean! :D :D :D :D :o ::)
Had it not been for the crash ccourse Buzz gave me on welding this project would not have been very far along. Dont know about the rest of you but I have a welder and all the equipment to weld and can even make a pretty good looking beed. My problem comes from lack of faith in the weld. I did not know what to look for to ensure I had a good weld.
I like Buzz's method the best of all! BIG HAMMER! After beating the daylights out of a few welds I realized that if they dont come apart with 10 blows from a 10lb maul then they are going to hold :D
After all this welding I have to say I have FAR more confidence in my welding ability. Now I am not as stand offish on building more stuff ;D Lots of metal left over and just debating on what that next project will be.
Loading Boom on the front of that trailer ??? ??? :) :)
Thats a great idea. Got any plans? Could put one on each end of this beat and just pick them up from the ends and not have to mess with all that rolling up the sides.
Just make tall steel stakes that drop into pockets on the sides. Then put a pulley on top, and a winch on the side.
To load you just put the winch pole on the side opposite the log, run the cable over the pulley, across the trailer, down under the log and back up to a stake pocket on that side. As you pull on the winch the log will act like it's own snatch block, rolling it up onto the trailer. If there are logs already on the trailer the cable going over them will lift the new log on top of the previous ones.
This way you can load from either side.
Shoot Kirk, with your ability along with Buzz, I was hoping for a design from Y'all. ::) ;D ;D
I would put a Prentice type boom on there, with a winch attached. Lift one end of a BIG log, and drag it up on the trailer, then scootch the rest up. ;)
A.D. Fields built one. Wonder where HE is, anyway. Hey Andy ??? ???
I got one 20' section of stake pockets done yesterday. What an experience that was :o When I laid it down it looked like a Banana. It bowed pretty good from the heat.
This morning it had staightened somewhat but still was about 4" out from end to end. I strapped it in place and once its tight it looks great. I hope to weld it in place tomarrow.
Now for the GREAT news! The old axles and remnents of metal from the back of the trailer that I did not use............................SOLD! $300.00 8) 8) 8) 8) Not bad considering I paid $400.00 and now have a 30' Tank Hauler!
:D :D :D :D :D
Hey ya Kirk, I could use ya up here at the auctions tomorrow.
Could use a deal or two. ::)
Wish I could be there Furby but WAY TO MANY things need fixen around here.
Today was Header Replacement day. Dad came over and we tackled replacing a 15' header in the big barn. We used Milled Cottonwood and made a triple 2x10 header with two 2x6's as the top plate. We were able to eliminate one support post by doing this and freeing up LOTS of room in the barn. Now that the header is replaced I have to replace eight 2x10 floor rafters that rotted from moisture. Once those are replaced I will deck that part of the loft and then work on replacing the main roof truss's in sections and get the roof properly supported.
After today I would like to say.................ITS WAY COOL TO HAVE A MILL AND CUT YOUR OWN WOOD! I dont think I will ever get tired of it! 8) 8)
House trailer befor modification
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After a few cuts....
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Kirk making pocket cuts to place one of the heavy I beams in.
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Here Kirk is placing one of the heavy c channel cross supports.
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A weld.....
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The logs that inspired this project
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This shows the two heavy beams installed with some cross bracing
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Looks good!!!!
The only thing that I would do to that would be to replace the ball hitch off of the old trailer house- they arent that long lasting.
A good "hammerblow" ball hitch will last forever, or even better, get a pintle ring on there to make the trailer easier to move with a tractor.
just my 2 cents
Charles
Well Kirk, your new shop "building" sold for $155k plus 10%.......... they got a DEAL!
So you still planning to deck the trailer first?
I'd use it the way it is, after the axels get on that is. ::)
Excellent idea on the pintle hitch, ksu. I would do one better, make sure the pintel will swivel as it follows the truck doing the pulling. With the length and weight that is going to be hauled, sure would try and go that direction.
Kirk,
No fair with all that new steel it is no longer a mobile home trailer but actually an new trailer with remnants of an old frame mingled in. Looks good. I like the "multi position channel" style connectors that allow you to switch between pintle/ 2-5/16"/ or 2" ball couplers. Northern sells them, get the five position mininium. I beleive I have a 7 or 9 position that is way heavily built, probably from .............I forget the name now, but they are a huge supplier the trailer industry. It is sooooo much better than the Northern version. Buyers, that's it and they have several subdivisions. You may need to special order it. This allows you to change hitch height at the trailer tongue depending on the vehical you are using. Watch the pintle though, I have heard that in some states it changes how they scale you, as in they then count the trailer weight cumulatively toward the tow vehicals allowable GVW. Keep on a welding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOKS GOOD.
Reid,
Searched for what you talking about and came up empty. Got any numbers on where to get one?
Thanks
I'm not sure about Buyer's , but here's the site for northern tool
Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company.
northern tool
Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company (http://www.northerntool.com/?storeId=6970&langId=%2D1&cm_ven=PPC&cm_cat=Performics&cm_pla=Google&cm_ite=Google)
Hey ya Kirk, I have three or four of those I stole from Alice. Give me your address and perhaps I can find a way to get UPS to deliver it to you by Christmas. :'(
How come I get the feeling its my turn Frank :D :D
Madder than a hornet >:(
Got home yesterday with the axles and boxes of parts to mount them and the spring kit is missing and the axles are too short.
I called them this morning and they told me if the hub face is 85" then they are right. I asked them if they recall that I HAD to have a 75 1/2" spring center and they said yes. GOTCHA!
"From the back of the hub to back of the hub measures 75 1/2". Can you please tell me how the 2" bracket that has to be welded on a 75 1/2" center can be accomplished? I dont have an axle streatcher".
They guys was perplexed. I had to talk to his boss to get this worked out. They are sending me two more axles but now they wont be here until Tuesday. They even had the nerve to tell me I would have to pay for half the freight.
"Sorry guys, give me a RMA number cuz all this is being returned. I will give someone else my business."
They backed off the freight issue and said they would take care of it.
WHY MUST CUSTOMERS MAKE SUCH THREATS TO GET BUSINESS OWNERS TO DO THE RIGHT THING?
YOU are a business owner. If you had helpers that cost you money, and you felt you could not fire them, well, maybe that's how most business is conducted today ?? It's VERY common in Florida. >:(
I have even left carts full of groceries and walked out, never to return. ;)
Armstrong makes good 10 ply low boy tires
Quote from: Fla._Deadheader on October 21, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
I have even left carts full of groceries and walked out, never to return. ;)
My Grandparents did that one time years ago.............got followed home with the groceries........no charge on the groceries either.
That don't happen anymore, and that wasn't that long ago.
AXLES< TRAILERS......................BUT..........................WHEN YA GOING HUNTING?
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Buzz...................................................NOT FAIR!
them mobile home frames also make great pole barn headers & such ;)
Kirk,
Northern item # 12875- 2601 (catalog #). That is the standard duty 5 position unit . There are heavier ones out there just keep looking.
REID
Well I went over to Dads last night with the plan of bringing the F600 back to the farm. We loaded my truck onto the trailer and dad pulled my truck and trailer while I drove the truck.
DIDNT MAKE IT TO THE FARM :o
Right after hitting a big bump in the road the engine started burning oil REAL BAD. Something let loose when I hit that bump but cant imagine what it was. Probably just a freak event but the motor is toast. Fortunatly I was only 8 miles from Dads place and was able to drive it home :D
I had it planned out that when I got pulled over by the cop for creating so much smoke I was going to tell him:
"I'm fogging for masquitos"
Cop: There arent any masquitos out?
"Must be working pretty good then huh?" :D :D
Anyway, didnt get pulled over but we did go through a gallon of oil to get it home. I suspect it burned a piston but wont know until I tear it apart......................NOT.
Anyone have a clue where I can get a motor to fit a 58 F600 Grain truck? The motor in it is a 223 straight 6. I would like to put something bigger in if it will bolt right up but definatly need to find a good motor. Tried Jasper and they dont list a thing for this truck.
Any help is appreciated!
Buzz, due to todays unforseen events of blowing up on the highway I did not get to hunt this afternoon :(
I am going in the morning though. I need a break REAL BAD! Farmer is getting the corn out of the area we are hunting in the morning so we may just ride on the Combine :D
300 six should bolt in if the bellhousing bolt pattern is the same. I would be looking for a 330/361/391 truck V-8 if you are willing to do the extra work
Our 63 Chevy C-60 originally had a 6 cylinder. When we bought it around 1970, it had a 396. When that blew up, we put in a 350. It was a headache changing engines because we didn't know what mounts and bell housing we had nor what we needed. A little patience and a trip or two to the salvage yard and consultations with experienced truck mechanics paied off.
Find a mechanic or parts man who can tell you what engines will fit your bell housing and how to go about fitting mounts.
I'll dig out a few books tomorrow if I have time and see what I can find out...
We found some spark plugs for a '30 model "A" ford and a water pump for a '56 ford victoria so this could be a nice challenge.
I have a 223 and its tranny sitting on the ground out of a 64 one ton......also have several 330 engines and the trucks...f-600 :o :o :o :o
Well, there you are... I'm sure you fellers can work out a deal....
I didn't find much, but I didn't have much time tonight...
Unfortunatly the 330 wont bolt to it and since the 223's condition is unknown I would hate to spend all that time installing it just to find out it doesnt run. Depending on what I can find rebuilt wise it may be an option for parts if I have to rebuild this one but I realy rather not do that.
Kirk, it may end up being less greif in the long run to find a decent motor / tranny combination and swap both at once.
Then all you have to do is in a worst case situation is move the cross member that holds the tailstock, and shorten or lengthen the driveshaft. Both are pretty easy to do.
Besides, if you put a slightly more modern drivetrain in it you will find parts and stuff easier to come by.
A Cummins or a Power Stroke oughta fit ;) :)
That would be a bit of work considering the electrical and computer hassles but it would be some hauler. Imagine the looks you would get when it fired up on a cold morning. 8)
A 6bt Cummins out of an early Dodge wouldn't have all the electronic crap on it. One of those and a matching five speed manual wouldn't be too bad. Fabricate some new motor mounts and move the crossmember around for the tranny........
Well I am making progress.
Have one big doe in the freezer, am buying Buzz'z F600 which has a 330 in it so I will have a little more hp for pulling the trailer, which today got its first road trip.
WOW! 65 mph down the road and it tracks perfect and rides like a dream. We went to town and loaded up ANOTHER 60 foot MH frame for my brother!
I only have to put on the lights, wire the brakes and deck it!
To dark for pics so I will get some tomarrow.
Kirk, Glad to hear it's tracking well. Brent and I both thought that it looked plenty heavy duty when we were down there. When are you mounting the log loading crane?
Glad to hear ya got her a rollin!
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The log loading crane deal fell through. Reid BACKED out :o Sorry Reid, couldnt resist :D :D
Still looking but in the mean time I will parbuckle the logs up the side ramps. I got all the lights on and wired along with the breaks and guess what........................................THEY ALL WORK! 8) 8) 8)
Not sure how thick to make the decking but suspect It will be 1 1/2". I might just use Cottonwood and put several coats of water repellant sealer on it. That way it keeps the weight down.
Quote from: Kirk Allen on November 15, 2005, 12:06:29 AM
I got all the lights on and wired along with the breaks and guess what........................................THEY ALL WORK! 8) 8) 8)
This from the guy that drives up to a trailer that has the wiring harness cut off, strips the ends of the wires, puts them back together, plugs it into the truck and everything works. He then drives off down the road............. never hooking up the ground wire, yet everything works PERFECT! :o :o
I have to rewire my lights every time I use the trailer, several times a week. ::)
KIRK,
Just sent you more info on another grapple style loader in ILLYNIOS!!!
I am trying to do right by you. Sorry the surplus went sooo high. Still trying.
REID
Got the info Reid and waiting to hear from the owners. Only problem is its in Zion Illinois which is north of Chicago and right on the lake. That means I would have to drive to Chicago and I voud I would NEVER do that again.
I guess I may have to break my promise on that if the deal is right.
Dont sweat the deal, I was just giving you a hard time. ;D
Is that kind of like having the first axe? Or, saying that it is in the mail? 8)
:D :D :D :D
Hope it works out.
Do you want to scadaadle over to Rock Island while your just putzin around in your truck ;D The M200A1 is going cheap so far. I would love to have one but it is just too far. I am putting 391 gears and a Detoit locker in the "new" truck tomorrow, the 488's were just revving the engine too high at 65 mph. I was getting 11 mpg at 2600 rpm, hopefully I can bump it up around 13-4, with the gears and will certainly be working the engine less. I'm hoping to tach 1500-1800 at 65 mph. I do lots of highway/ empty driving. I don't know why the 450/550's only came with 488's. Most hotshotters put a gear slitting aux. tranny ($2700 and up) or change out the diff. ($1500-2200 Dana S135).
Reid
Woud a 2 speed axle go in. Probably little more work than changing gears and you will still have grunt for hauling wood. The truck I learned to use a splitter was a 59 Ford.
Well I got the last of the cutting and welding done on the trailer and painted it today.
Took it for a road test and all was good at 80 mph 8) 8)
I still have to put the wood deck on but that will have to wait as I have 4 Cedar trees to pick up tomarrow and then I have to start on my White Oaks.
I was surprised how well my truck pulled this thing. I was expecting it to be heavier than it realy is. I had no problems towing it and as long as I dont push it to hard should be fine for most jobs. Hoping to get over to Buzz'z this week and buy his F-600 from him to do most of my pulling.
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I am blind in one eye ancd can't see out of the other, trailer for the trees.
Well today was the first load of logs for the new trailer. I PUSHED it to the limit on the first load. Got a total of 17 logs on it and lets just say that was WAY to many but I did make it home with no problems, provided I did not go over 20 mph ;D
First load getting a little heavy ;D
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This is the start of the second load. 17 logs the first trip and 14 the second. Not bad for doing it all by myself 8) 8)
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This is a view down the fence line that was being cleared.
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This is one of the cherry stumps. The log was 7 feet long and had a huge crotch at the end. Not the hat on the left for a perspective of the size of the stump.
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I managed to get 4 of the White Oaks from the other site loaded as well. I parbuckled them up but it was dark when I finsished so pics will be taken in the morning.
OH, forgot to tell all those NAY-SAYERS stick to something you know :o
This trailer performed flawlesly and even with 4 white oaks that were between 26-36 feet long I was able to still go 55 mph down the road with tonights last load with NO PROBLEMS. The trailer still needs decked but I would not hesitate to make another one from a MH frame!
Buzz, thanks for the kick start to get this trailer built. You would be proud of the finished product! 8)
;) ;) Sure is a good feeling, huh ??? 8) 8) :D
Nothing like being told you cant do something and then prove um wrong 8) 8)
From the looks of the first maiden load/voyage, you might want to consider a tag axel, front and back. Sure wish I could come into some supply of logs like that and access in the Winter months as well.
Kirk,
I had no doubt that you could do it. Were there is a will there is a way. 8) 8)
Farmerdoug
Geez, you give a guy GOOD ADVICE, he even listens to it and makes a good trailer, and then he wants to hog all the credit and call us names! :o
From one of the "NAY-SAYERS" ?? ::)
Quote from: Kirk Allen on November 27, 2005, 09:14:23 AM
Nothing like being told you cant do something and then prove um wrong 8) 8)
Thats what happened with my wife when I told her I was coming down to see you last month. :o
Well Gary_C since you acknowledged being a Nay-Sayer, I guess I just have to call it like I see it ;D
I have about 40 hrs of work in this trailer and under $1800 in expense including the registration, 15,000 lb load capacity (although the maiden voyage was closer to 18,000 lbs), which includes brand new brakes, tires and axles and lights. If I recall correctly, your advise was:
"You do what you like, but if it was my money, I would buy one of those new $5-6,000 goose neck trailers with tandem duals and rated at 20,000 lbs. They are made a little light, but with one of those, you will have something you can use and not spend your time working on."
So what part of spending an extra $3200-4200 bucks is so appealing? ??? ;D
I also got a free set of Timber Frame plans for my shop in exchange for letting them haul some Timbers to a raising on my trailer next month or so. They cant find a flatbed trailer they can pull since most of them long enough are goose neck trailers. Those plans are both architectural drawings and engineered blue prints. I think those plans alone covered half the cost of my trailer.
I hauled 35 logs in one day by myself. I cant even begin to add up the savings of my time that offered. I am anxious to get this thing decked (4-6 hrs of work) and 100% completed and yes, I am poking at all those who doubted this project ;D
Kirk,
I have been following this thread and I must admit it is great to see you gloat a little. You deserve it. Many times in these days of little time and lots of credit cards it is too easy to say "just buy it". So many of use forget how many days of hard work it would take to make $4000 of tax free money. Your time was well spent and although you don't have a turn-key trailer you are getting paid in savings for any modifications it may need. Great jog and stop overloading that thing you will be fixing it sooner that you should have to :).
Got a call today from one of the local equipment operators and he asked if I wanted some trees ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
What kind?
"Cedar, Maple "
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The long ERC is 32 feet, 12" on the small end - 36" on the other 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I LOVE MY TRAILER!
The other ERC are a little smaller but I ended up with 4 logs, or three trees ;D
The Silver maple is 9 feet long and measures 42" on one end and 41" on the other 8) 8) 8) 8) I NOW NEED A SWINGER ;D
This was badly needed therapy today as I have been WAITING to deal with the contractor who is trying to scam me and he never showed today.
I lightened up the pics a bit. It was getting dark so couldnt get the best picture.
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Kirk,
He probably knew you would be madder than a Hornet!!!!!
On another subject are you still looking for an all terrian forklift. There is one coming up for sell this weekend.
Ron
Too bad that trailer won't haul a DECENT load, EH ??? ;D :D :D :D :D
Nice sticks. My Swing Blade headed for CR yesterday, in the Container. 8) 8)
I am interested but cant look at it this weekend as its our second gun season for deer so I will be in the woods.
The contractor doesnt know I am onto him.
That stinks Harold. I was hopeing you could bring it up this way before you departed and cut up some of these whoppers I got sittin around.
I unloaded the white oaks this mornig. :o :o Lets just say that when those beasts started rolling down the ramps you had bedder be the heck out of the way. WOW did they have some energy in that 10 foot roll down the ramps :o
Going to be interesting getting these unloaded as that maple is going to be a problem since its resting on the Cedars. I need to deck the trailer as the knots on the trees hang up on the gaps in the trailer making it tough to roll them. That or mount some 4x4s accross the next time I load them to keep them off the steel and allow them to roll easier.
I am tickled pink over this trailer. I cant believe how well its working out 8) 8) 8)
Kirk,
It is at a consignment sale so it most likely won't be available after this weekend. I know the auctioneer and will contact him next week to see if it sold.
Ron
Believe me, Kirk. I really wanted to pay y'all a visit before I leave. ::) ;D
Is Harold goin somewhere?
I heard through the grapvine that he was a leaving the country. :)
Holy smokes Kirk, you've got the same problem as I .... we both need a bigger truck.... :D
Captain
Craig I here you on the truck.
I think GM should give me a new truck and put this one in a commercial. 5k shy of 500,000 miles and still able to pull a 18K load out of a bean field 8) 8) 8)
Now of course I had to use 4 low but hey, it got it rolling and made it home 8)
Yesterday we tried to haul some of the white oaks I cut down in the fall but the morning freeze quicly turned into a melting muddy mess. We managed to get one log. Never dreamed one log could weigh so much ;D
Scaled out at 1700 bf and pushed 12,600 lbs 8) 8)
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My brother pulled it with his truck and we used my truck with the winch to parbuckle it up the ramps and onto the trailer.
How did your mobile home trailer hold up?
And , why didnt you throw a couple more on there while you were at it................. :o :o
What do you mean, Buzz, the trailer looks like the bridge on a tight fiddle now.! :D
Another log or two and the strings would snap. :'(
Kirk,
Knowing that you must have shopped the axles, you can save me the hassle. Where did they come from and how much?
Thanks Reid
Buzz, that old mobile home trailer did just fine. We would have loaded more but my brothers truck has street tires and the surface dirt turned to slime as it warmed up and it was all we could do get the trailer moving with one log. When we got to the bottom of the hill I had to hook up a chain and pull him and the trailer. He would have never made it out by himself.
It would hold more Frank ;D 15000lb load capacity ;D
Reid,
I bought them from an outfit in Texas.
http://www.etrailerpart.com/
I got a pretty good deal and even bartered the price ;D
Kirk,
Here is the lighter version of the channel, I had I known there was a heavier version I would have used it. Also some unloading pictures of the current unit.
One other note. If you are trailering heavy (HA) you might want to think about load stabilizing/ anti sway system. They make a huge difference with single rear wheel vehicals and really can give you peace of mind with ANY unruly loads. Notice the receiver above the channel for my winch.
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Reid
For hauling multiple logs like that, I would suggest this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6596864967
12 driven wheels and three axles on the tractor and 16 on the trailer. Imagine replacing all those puppies :-D
rebocardo if you could afford the truck than you can afford to buy tires for it. ;) ;)
Those are the Tank Haulers that the Army uses to move disabled tanks. I have winch from one. Reid
> I have winch from one
One awesome winch I am sure 8) If I had one I probably would go around looking for things to drag or pull down just to use it.
I may trade it off for a 20,000 lber. I do need to drag some trees with root balls that uprooted in my neighbors swampy areaa. Reid
The trailer proves its worth again today. Power company called and said come and get um! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I would NEVER been able to hual poles of this length with my other trailer. Two the these poles are 40' and about 10" on the small end.
Nice whack of poles, Kirk.
Well, Reid,I still have the winch on a pallette, waiting for you to give the word when and where to sent it to you.
Not a bad score and I even have a buyer for them 8) 8) 8) 8) A guy is coming up from Little Rock to pick them up in about three weeks.
Well the poles went south on another trailer and $$$ in my pocket.
Worked on getting the rest of my white oaks out of the field because the last two people who CLAIMED they would hall them for me said they could not budge them in either there largest Skid Stear or a JD 4520.
Had to show them how its done. Parbuckled them up with no problem and brought them home. I can only haul two at a time though. ;D :D :D
These two are 38 and 39 feet long 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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The chain saw has a 30" bar on it so you can see these are not excatly small trees ;D ;D
As Curlywoods tells me, We dont cut no small stuff here ;D 8) 8)
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My log lot is starting to look full again 8) 8) 8) 8)
LOTS of white oak, cherry, walnut, maple, Mulberry, Red Oak, and Hickory...........and another cottonwood yesterday. ;D The BIG log on the right from the cedar slabs is a recent 50" maple I got from a farmer 8) 8)
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Almost forgot, to all the naysayers smiley_nananana smiley_nananana smiley_nananana
I realy like my trailer and it works great!
Farmer asked today if he could rent it from me during planting. He said he could haul ALL his seed in one load with it and that would save him several trips back to the farm.
Of course you can use it, but only if you remember me when you got some trees that come down :D :D
Well I hauled logs every day this week and I am finally making progress. I have 7 trees left to haul and should be able to get them in two loads tomorrow. Parbuckled them up and got to use the tractor today for pulling the cable instead of having to discontect the truck and use the winch. Saved lots of time today with the JD.
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The BEAST on the right side of the trailer was 14 feet long and measured 55" DIB at the wides part of the but swell. The small end is a modest 44" 8) 8) 8)
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These two I parbuckled up yesterday with the winch.
So far this week I have loaded 27 trees by myself using the parbuckle method.
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Kirk,
How do you move those logs around the yard? Also who did you buy your trailer axles from. My son is building me a trailer in school.
Thanks
Ron
How do I move them around the yard?
Well, I try not to move them to much but when I do, I simply ROLL them with the A.S.S. from Log Rite. I know I need a loader but when it comes to beast like these a loader would not pick them up so whats the use. I guess I am getting my needed exercise by doing eveything manualy :D :D Now I know what the Amish feel like :D
The best place I have found for axles and trailer parts is out of Dallas. http://www.etrailerpart.com/
Kirk
That sure is a wack of logs you got there in the yard.
When you going to get a swinger for those big ones ???
tom
Nice jag of logs! Do I detect a slight bow in the bed hehe :D
Well with the biggest of loads she tends to bow a little ;D One thing I do like aobut the MH frame, although reenforced with more steel, it does have some give that may prevent stuff from breaking from being too rigid.
I am hoping to get the last of the logs today, which means one trip is going to be the biggest of all, unfortunatly. I am whipped and not looking forward to another big load but I have to get them out by Monday and my weekend is already full with other business that I have to do so today is the day.
Tom, A swinger might just be the thing for some of these but not sure how it could cut out the 10x14 heart for a main beam. Any suggestions?
If you had a 10" mill you could do it.
Cut down on the log untill your 5" above the heart. then switch and make10" vert. cuts. This leaves 5" above center and 5" below. Make your vertical cuts on both sides leaving 14" in the middle then double cut across the bottom using wedges to support it.
Did I get that clear as mud for ya. Troy has a post on double cutting that has some nice pictures that should help.
Tom
I can easily do 10X14 beams.... if Ihad logs big enough to cut them out of...bring them on down Kirk !!
Well I might just be contracting with one of you swinger guys to cut 4 or 5 of my main beams. Im having a hard time justifying buying a 24' extension just for these main beams.
Hauled two more loads today. This is two of the last four trees left. I just couldnt get the last two today :( Looks like first thing Monday morning I will finish the hauling.
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Kirk,
Unless you are a GORILLA you are must be going to sell some of that green dead stacked. I can imagine the work of sawing stickering and drying ALL that wood. You'll be cutting stickers alone for days and days. Maybe you have an army of helpers. You definitely need a forklift! This is my new girl, machine weighs 22,000 lbs, lifts 14,000lbs. :o Has what looks like a rebuilt 6 cyl. Chrysler gas engine, it needs some tranny work. I cant wait to get it going. Very open compartments for working on it. looks like a GOOD unit. NICE.
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Reid
Reid,
Those units make nice lifts and save a lot of back. I hope you have a good solid place to use it because they do NOT work on anything besides a very solid drive. The will be stuck in a heartbeat and when they get stuck they are totally dead weight very hard to move. I speak with the voice of experience in case you were wandering> :)
Best of luck getting it going!
Dewey
For real, Dewey :D
We use an undated 4000lbs Propane-converted Continental fired Towmotor around our shop and couldn't live without it :)
But it will get stuck in a heartbeat--sometimes on the silliest of things--bark, pieces of slabs, etc.. Get into a little pothole or surken corner of a broken slab and it's all over :(
Some spots in our driveway are pretty bad. When we have to fetch or stack a pile in some places, we go ahead and park one of the trucks in a spot that we can winch the Towmotor out when needed ;D
Problem is, the Towmotor loaded with a 1000 ft of Oak tends to drag our little 'Yotas all over the lot--most often we have to tie their rears to a log or the other truck ;D :D :D
Still, I can't imagine bein' in the wood biz without a liftruck or some sorta lift-equipped tractor ;)
Reid, That machines got an interesting bunch of forks on it. What was it used for ???
It was a block yard truck. I have a Towmotor P512 , dual front wheel pneumatic with the Continental, 1967 . It is an ole Army lift. I love it I run tire chains in the winter and freaquently run it out into our hayield no problem. I also have a Clark IT-80 Rough Terrain 1970's , 8000 lb Diesel with pnuematics and BIG tire chains, GO ANYWHERE!!! It has a freshly rebuilt Perkins. Reid
Kirk, nice haul. What type of winch are using to parbuckle the logs up with, electric or hydraulic? I have a trailer just trying to decide what type of winch to put on it to load with. ???
I have a Warn 9000lb electric winch. I have found that its easier to hook the cable to the truck and just back up using the truck as the method of rolling the log. That way, in the event the log hangs, which has happen a couple times, and gets cocked sideways I can then use the winch to roll the down side of the log to catch up. Works great and I can usually load three of these logs by myself in about 30-40 minutes. Thats from first pulling up to them to finished load ready for the street with logs chained down and all my stuff loaded back up.
Reid, send me a pic of the IT-80.
Kirk,
Here you go. I will start looking for the engine reciept. I saw it last year in my desk. A company called Worthington Diesel in Kittanning Pa. did the work. It was $4200+ The guy I bought it from was living off coal royalties, had a grass runway airport, new trucks, new JD tractors, airplanes, blah blah blah. He never even told me about the rebuild or the tire chains ($350+) until a month afterward, " oh by the way you may want this" Dah, not much of a deal maker this guy. Older, unmarried, his driveway was a mile long PAVED! Looked like a highway to the sky up this hill. He kept everything inside heated garage (huge). Anyway, I will push the schedule on the Yale if you interested. The only thing it needs is one rear steering bushing (I have the Clark parts sheet) and the u-joint is clicking at times (needs replaced, fairly large amount of working room to replace it. ) The valve cover gasket leaks, mechs. tell me this is common on Perkins. Shuddle over hydraulic (4 speed) the thing could probably do 30 MPH :o on the open road. 42" forks with 6' bolt on extensions and 12' lift. IT ROLLS THE MAST FORWARD AND BACK VERY FAR, extremely far which or log work is awsome. A local buddy said if he had the cash he'd buy it to aid in log landing work. For those interested I will be selling this sometime this spring $8000 Reid
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Reid, chains on that Yale will rattle your fillings loose and make the load unstable so be careful with it. Also, be careful not to spin or you may tear the final drive out of it. Don't ask. ::)
I tore up a lot of stuff with yales... ::) :D :D :D
Nice lookin' machine...
The yellow is the Clark IT-80, 8000 lber . The white is the Yale 14,000
Tuesday I was able to haul the LAST of the White Oaks and even a pretty nice Hickory log. This load was two 38' white Oaks, one 14' white oak and one 12' Hickory.
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Total haul for the week was 9 tree length logs (38-39 feet long)and 24 in the 24 foot range. Add the two loads the farmer brought me and and its safe to say I NEED TO START CUTTING! My log yard is FULL. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Its amazing how things work out. Yesterday the grand daddy pupa of the lodge in town stopped by. (He also just happens to be the best welder in the country) Any way, the lodge DESPERATLY needs 2"x12"x12' White oak boards to fix the floor of the lodge, that FAILED last weekend during a party they had. I guess those old timers danced the floor away :D :D
Turns out after getting the screws put to him from the sawyer south of us (seems to be common) he said he will never buy lumber from him again and had he known I was the grandson of Richard Allen(my grandpa) he would have been buying from me long ago. He REGULARY needs custom deck boards for trailer and semi trailer decking and blocking. He always has flatbeds in his shop getting work done and said they always ask about where to get custom lenght boards and now he can provide them. Helps him and helps me 8) 8)
LOG YARD IS FULL, THE BARN BETTER BE EMPTY. You have a whale of work ahead of you getting all that converted to lumber and stored. Any concerns about temps and the season changing? I'd cut any white wood first and get it stashed. I have found that I need to keep my stock moving in 1-3 year intervals to avoid infestations. I am just unloadiing the "PIG" which I sterilize my wood in. 160-200 degrees. :o Kills everything! KEEP IT MOVING KIRK.
Can we get some pictures of the log yard????
Thanks Alot Mr Mom
I will try to get some pics tomorrow as today we are swimming :o
I still have about 10 logs across the road to haul and one of the local farmers stopped in today and said he has 15 Osage logs he needs deck boards cut for his trailer, and what he doesnt use to finsish the trailer I can keep 8) 8)
CIPS - Central Illinois Power also called and they have a few? flatbedd tractor trailer loads of WRC they want to dropp off 8) 8) 8) 8)
Not sure where to put those as they told my they are 60 footers and about 28" on the butt end. 8) 8) 8)
Oh, its getting better. Now the local power company doesnt bring any of there poles back to the service yard, where I normally pick them up. Instead they call me and tell me where they are laying as soon as they pull them out of the ground. I picked up another 8 40 footers two days ago and they called again this morning and have another 5 ready to go just south of me. 8) 8) 8) 8)
HELP, Im drowning in wood 8) 8) 8)
KIRK
I'm REALLY having a hard time feeling sorry for you :D :D :D ;D
I wish I had that problem .
First, OK, I think Kirk should be put on 8) rationing. JEFF can we get some help here?
Second, Kirk, your now back in the country @ the farm for ..............a year or so? I thin kyou need a theme song, I was contemplating what a "Rock Star" you are here on the FF then it hit me................"HILLBILLY ROCK STAR OUT OF CONTROL" that country song IS your theme!! ;D
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? Reid
MM, Dont spend any energy feeling sorry for me. Instead, save that energy and come tail some boards :D :D
Reid,
I cant hold a tune in a bucket so you your going to have to find someone else to sing that song. :D
As far as rationing goes, right now I am all for it ;D
When folks told me years ago that logs would FIND me I had no idea it would get this out of control. This is supposed to be a part time gig dont you know :o
Kirk,
You might need to have a sawmilling party one weekend!!!!!!!!
Ron
Kirk,
Why don't you just take the next couple of loads over to BuzzSawyer's place? I am sure he could help you find a place to dumps some of that wood. Now that I think of it, I could use some here in Tokyo. Could you lash a few of those logs together and float them over this way? Thanks.................I knew you were a nice guy!!
Jim
Two problems.
firstly a mobile home trailer has no suspension. Therefore all the wear and tear of constant use (which it is not designed for) will be on the tires. Therefore you will need to keep about 3 or 4 extra dozen tires handy or you are going to have to go get some leaf springs and install them on your log trailer.
Second and probably more importantly, log trailers are overengineered to handle virtually anything you can throw on them (within reason). Your trailer will only be able to support at the most, maybe 5 tons, consistently.
The first time you exceed that, to avoid having to make that extra run, she is going to fold up like a tin can and you will have to drag her to the nearest metal bin. you might try to reinforce her but you have to remember that the axles it has are not designed to support much weight.
IMHO
Ironman
Ironman, :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Wecome aboard.
I know its lots of reading but you might want to go back and read this whole tread.
Firstly, this trailer has new axles and springs and is rated for 15K. The tires are 10 ply E rate and to date not a single problem with wear. They are centered and tracking true, which is usually the biggest problem with tires on trailers.
Secondly, you can rest assured this trailer is OVER Engineered. Buzz helped build it 8) 8)
As far as the 5 ton thing, I guess I am in trouble becuase the last week alone I hauled more than that each load two to three times a day. The biggest load so far was 10 ton 8) 8)
I understand that your comments are "IMHO" but your walking that thin line of being a NAYSAYER and we all know what I have already said to them about this trailer. smiley_nananana
;D Lord Forgive them for they know not what they say ;D :D :D
Kirk
I seen the size log's your hauling home,, :o soooo I'm pretty sure I don't want to
tail for you ;D If I could get my Backhoe to your place I might be able to
tail for you :D :D :D ;D
I haven't followed this thread at all but just looked today and want to say that is a nice trailer. Good job on building it.
Only negative that I can see is that it is bumber pull. A gooseneck is much safer to pull especially in bad weather but you'd have a hard time pulling a gooseneck with the Suburban!
Once again, nice trailer.
Gooseneck.....be careful there OakieMac. Kirk's log geese might throw a real fit if they thought Kirk was thinking about a gooseneck :o
Besides the log truck is a Chevy Suburban with over 500Kmiles on it. I guess Kirk couyld chop out the top in the rear and set it up for a gooseneck trailer :D
Hey Mike, thats not a bad idea. 8) 8) Especialy after what Chevrolety sent me for what they called a milestone. Any guess what they chose to give me for hitting the 500,000 mile mark on my suburban?
New Truck..........NOT :(
Discount on a new Truck...........NOT :(
Rebate on a new Truck..........NOT :(
With all there wisdom and money, they chose to GIVE me a Certificate for a FREE LOF (lube, Oil, & Filter) :o
Sure hope I didnt break there bank account on that promo :(
I was thinking a gooseneck hitched to the Suburban also. ;)
Will
The way things are going for GM, you could be more right than you know...
:-\
I was thinking the same thing Scott. They might have sent him free shares. :D :D :D. Kirk, looks like your training might be the part time gig now. Looking good.
> With all there wisdom and money, they chose to GIVE me a Certificate for a FREE LOF
So you could bring it in and have someone mess up the LOF and blow the engine or not wipe down the grease fittings before filling the joints up and blowing out the seals. Really though it was probably so they could look it over and figure out how to not build them so good again. ;)