No more Help needed guys (it's running). 80 miles from home and LT40 broke down

Compensation · July 28, 2013, 02:05:07 PM

I am guessing it has an electric clutch? If so I would start at maybe working the switch back and forth as you crank or disconnect the clutch and try to start. I always look at what the last thing it was doing when it stopped. I know you know this, but as a reminder don't get over excited and burn a starter up by not letting it cool down. Hope you get it going.

NMFP · July 28, 2013, 02:16:10 PM

did you spray some type of starting fluid in the carb and try turning it over? If so, did it want to fire or do nothing? if it fired, its fuel delivery or restriction. If it didn't fire, its either bad ignition, shorted ignition or a control wire/sensor.

Small engines are pretty simple to manipulate and make run.

Pull the spark plug, lean it against metal as the ground and see if it shows spark.

No spark either means shorted ignition, bad ignition or bad control wires/switch.

do you have a computerized setworks or just the scale? If you do not have anything else that needs to run without "dirty power", put power to your ignition module and the starter.. if it fires, there is an external source or point source for the trouble.

Usually when something breaks, it breaks when you don't have the money or the location to work on it, not to mention time.

keep us updated!!

Full Circle · July 28, 2013, 02:33:54 PM

Confirmed no spark.

Full Circle · July 28, 2013, 04:32:39 PM

This is embarrassing (to put it very mildly).....it's running, and it was the ignition relay behind the cover just below the key switch. I should have been happy, but that wasn't the first thing I felt. I've never had to go in there before and now I know what's behind the panel. When customsawyer said change out relays, I thought he was referring to the area around the ECU. The only consolation I can come up with is that with all my pushing pulling and prodding I tightened a connection somewhere that may have caused it to pop off in the first place. Thanks to all for the support and I'm very sorry for wasting your time. Maybe my being ignorant and posting here will help somebody else in the future. #1 lesson: bring your manuals when you're traveling.

beenthere · July 28, 2013, 04:53:27 PM

Don't be embarrassed, as I suspect we enjoyed the discussion and were just a tad bit glad it was you rather than us.

But, the thread will be around for others to read or to point to if and when someone else runs into a problem.

Happy you are up and running, and the repair wasn't a big expense... just took away from your precious time with a customer. 8)

dgdrls · July 28, 2013, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: Full Circle on July 28, 2013, 04:32:39 PM
This is embarrassing (to put it very mildly).....it's running, and it was the ignition relay behind the cover just below the key switch. I should have been happy, but that wasn't the first thing I felt. I've never had to go in there before and now I know what's behind the panel. When customsawyer said change out relays, I thought he was referring to the area around the ECU. The only consolation I can come up with is that with all my pushing pulling and prodding I tightened a connection somewhere that may have caused it to pop off in the first place. Thanks to all for the support and I'm very sorry for wasting your time. Maybe my being ignorant and posting here will help somebody else in the future. #1 lesson: bring your manuals when you're traveling.

All good lessons, glad you shared with us.

when you heading back?

DGD

POSTON WIDEHEAD · July 28, 2013, 06:17:40 PM

Roy....thats what we all tried to tell you. Check the ignition relay behind the cover just below the key switch. :D

Seriously, I am glad you are up and running. Thanks for sharing your problem. It'll help me if when this happens to mine.

Good job Roy!

Chuck White · July 28, 2013, 06:21:33 PM

Roy; Although I don't know a lot about engines, I'm learning little-by-little when people have problems such as yours!

It really will help someone else out someday, when they have the same thing happen to them and they do a search here on the Forestry Forum.

Glad you got it going again.

Thanks for posting!

Full Circle · July 28, 2013, 06:27:15 PM

Thanks for the kind words, beenthere. Wounded pride vs wounded wallet......Wounded wallet might have been easier than typing that post for you all to read.
DGD, I was out west of Port Jervis (to answer your question from yesterday) and thankfully, my customer is a good guy and was great about the whole thing. We did get a good day in yesterday, at least. I'll get back as soon as I can. Hopefully within a few weeks. Thanks for asking. David, if it happens to you, and you're feeling a little sheepish, just remember that guy Roy who didn't even check the relay first... it will make you feel better. Chuck, when I got home my daughter said" Dad, it all happens for a reason." Maybe what you said is the reason.

POSTON WIDEHEAD · July 28, 2013, 06:52:56 PM

You're a good guy Roy!

Magicman · July 28, 2013, 07:46:50 PM

Quote from: Full Circle on July 28, 2013, 04:32:39 PMI'm very sorry for wasting your time. Maybe my being ignorant and posting here will help somebody else in the future.

There was no time wasted, and there are no dumb questions. When we share our woes that information will help someone else along the sawing path. Everyone here is just as eager to share information as others are to receive it.

Your contribution was coming back and sharing what was done to correct the failure. Thank you for following through.

Ga Mtn Man · July 28, 2013, 08:07:03 PM

Glad you're up and running Roy and that it didn't cost you too much more than your time.

So, does the ignition relay power everything on the motor but the starter? That info could come in handy some day.

ladylake · July 28, 2013, 08:16:23 PM

As mentioned your problem will help someone with the same problem down the road, no wasted time at all. Steve

Ianab · July 28, 2013, 08:21:59 PM

Embarrassing is when you discover the ignition switch wasn't actually turned to "On". :-[

Finding it was a dodgy connection to an obscure relay is "fault finding' ;) :D

isawlogs · July 28, 2013, 09:20:38 PM

Glad you're up and runnin' no lost time here,... been down the down road without a paddle a few times :-\ Glad you will be sawing if the weather permits when daylight comes around.

thecfarm · July 28, 2013, 09:29:10 PM

Port Jervis,we use to get off the freeway there and go the highway the rest of the way to PA. Use to eat at The Diner. Grease and all. That was good food.Head through Delaware Water Gap after the fine meal. I could right a book on the easy things I have missed. I could write another book on the easy things that I have found for other people. Seem like we all can slow down and THINK. :D I should take my own advice.

justallan1 · July 28, 2013, 10:03:46 PM

Thanks for posting with the answer to your problem, Roy. Whether this one in particular will help me doesn't matter, but it will help some for sure one day. That's why I'm on here, to get every advantage that I can.

Allan

POSTON WIDEHEAD · July 28, 2013, 10:09:37 PM

rmack · July 28, 2013, 10:42:48 PM

Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on July 28, 2013, 10:09:37 PM

nice to hear Woodmizer has a Manuel... is he the guy who delivers the manuals?

GDinMaine · July 28, 2013, 10:51:00 PM

Thanks for posting this!
I had to cut my day short once, because I could not figure out why I was getting no response from the feed motor. Only later did I think to try the fuses. I just had to push the fuse button on the OUTSIDE of the control box. How is that for embarrassing and loosing 1/3 day of work?

isawlogs · July 28, 2013, 11:01:04 PM

Not zat all, it.s called learnin' :P :P :P :P

Ga Mtn Man · July 29, 2013, 08:41:04 AM

Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on July 28, 2013, 08:07:03 PM
Glad you're up and running Roy and that it didn't cost you too much more than your time.

So, does the ignition relay power everything on the motor but the starter? That info could come in handy some day.

??? ???

schakey · July 29, 2013, 02:07:33 PM

Thanks Roy this (and many other post) helps us that haven't got a mill yet!
(But soon ;D).
I drive in the Port Jarvis area on my way to Maybrook going to YRC terminal.
Love that country side.

customsawyer · July 29, 2013, 05:58:55 PM

I am glad that you are up and running. I am not sure if there is enough room in this post to list all of the simple things that I have called WM about. The number of times that I have felt like the biggest idiot is embarrassing. The main thing to remember is that we are all here to help each other. Even if it is at our own expense.

Full Circle · July 29, 2013, 10:43:30 PM

Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on July 29, 2013, 08:41:04 AM
Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on July 28, 2013, 08:07:03 PM
Glad you're up and running Roy and that it didn't cost you too much more than your time.

So, does the ignition relay power everything on the motor but the starter? That info could come in handy some day.

??? ???

Yes, Dave. If the relay is tripped, there is no spark and no power to the fuel pump. The starter works normally. Good thing hydraulics work, too, so you can unload the log you have on the mill and still pack it up, and head home.....

Thanks again guys. I know it's all good. And as I like to say, if that's the worst thing that happens to me today, I'm doing just fine. (It just takes awhile to remember that sometimes).