I am looking to possibly buy a 372 xp used from a guy who fixes and sells chainsaws for a living. He told me he sells around 300 a year out of his shop and repairs for a living. He is asking $450 for the 372xp with a brand new 20" forester bar and chain. I've read through this forum and I don't see many complaints about the 372. Brand new this runs a minimum of $760 so I'm just looking for opinions on $450 for this saw. Thanks!
If he's reputable and the saw has a fresh rebuild then it might be worth 450, probably high end though. New b/c are worth some. Find out if it was rebuilt with aftermarket or oem parts, and if aftermarket what brand. Also what was done to it in general. Those factors will make a difference in price IMO.
Make sure that the new top end is OEM (not aftermarket), and that he found and fixed the reason that the original failed.
Quote from: SawTroll on April 13, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
Make sure that the new top end is OEM (not aftermarket), and that he found and fixed the reason that the original failed.
Original OEM Topend rebuilt saw for 450$!? Highly unlikely! But if you are a firewooder, which I presume since a pro would simply buy the next best pro saw, a good quality AM top end will last quite some time. Probably longer than your needs, because large saws are not used often. So wear and tear is rather low.
But to be honest I would seriously think about a 365xp for around 2 bills more. With a little modification you have a brand new 372xp!
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The original post doesn't mention anything about a new top end, OEM or otherwise. It just says it's a used saw. Only thing listed as new is the bar and chain.
The price is a bit high IMO, but some areas are different than others. That price might be why guys assumed it had a new top end, and if it was in fact an OEM top end, then maybe that price would be OK.
As far as AM top ends go, the more I study them, the more I feel it best to stay away from them. (the asian stuff). AM pistons in the original cylinder make more sense and cost way less.
Thanks for the info everyone! Saw is gone but the guy has 2 more he said. I never knew what OEM and AM were until this thread. My guess is OEM is a cheap company over seas and AM is American Made? Correct me if I am wrong.
I'll be sure to ask him questions that were brought to my attention in this thread!
OEM is Original Equipment Manufacturer, which means the parts came from Husky. AM is aftermarket, parts made by anybody but Husky. :)
Like many things in life, used saw prices are going to be dependent on supply and demand. I am presently living near Roseburg, OR, where chainsaws are like cellphones in Manhattan. I recently picked up a used 372xp for $350. The 372xp is probably one of the most popular felling saws out here (the 660 is also big) and mine had a 32" b&c which I had the seller swap out for a 24", as I am using the saw for firewood. I see 372xp's going from $400-$550 on the Craigslist in this area, and I feel I got a great deal on a nice tool.
My saw, a 2011 XT model, was used by a logger and had a few issues; missing the screw and spacer for the brake handle, the top cover spacers needed filing to make the cover bolt down solid, and it was generally just plain dirty. I also put a new Stihl full comp chain on it as the old one only made it through five cords before losing some teeth. Oh, I also had to have our welder TIG the full wrap handle as it had worn through on the bottom. (that cost a bottle of rum) If you look real close at the cylinder head you can see some green paint, as the saw was painted green in it's past life. >:(
All in all, I am real happy with the saw and I am going to get her a new bar soon as the nose on the old one is a little loose. It is an addition to my 142e which put up over 23 cords all by itself this past winter. That little Lowe's saw ($189 in 2006) has been nothing but a work horse and never needed more than a new plug and some new starter rope.
I would rather buy a saw from a logging company that I know has had nothing but good mix-oil, and non-ethanol fuel, run through it even though it has worked a lot in it's three years of service. Logger's tend to take care of their tools as they are what puts the food on the table.
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theNooch
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.
Nice fix on the saw, good on posting a pic, and the view out your front yard is spectacular. :)
Quote from: beenthere on April 17, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
theNooch
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.
Nice fix on the saw, good on posting a pic, and the view out your front yard is spectacular. :)
Hey thanks...Yes, the admins here have made posting pics just about as difficult as I have ever encountered on the internets, but I have determination!
Here's another pic to show that you don't need a long bar to fall a large tree (although it can be both safer and easier). This specimen is over 6ft DBH and was nearly 200ft tall. I am over 6'5" with my White's Smoke Jumpers on.
A good used 372xp can do just about anything...
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That's my working companion in the shot...theMoses.
Good on the big tree.
After my experience dropping a tree this morning, I'd sure not go without a hard hat. Bonked on the head with a fair size limb that would have made a serious dent with no hardhat. Came out of nowhere without a sound until it hit a good lick.
Same with the chaps... just sayin....
As far as pics, we don't have any red X's that show up when offsite pics are no longer available for one reason or another. This site really has a good system, just as you say, not as simple as other sites.
Look forward to more of your experiences, like what are you going to do with that big tree now that it is down.. ??
Quote from: theNooch on April 17, 2014, 06:02:15 AM
All in all, I am real happy with the saw and I am going to get her a new bar soon as the nose on the old one is a little loose.
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Welcome to FF the Nooch.
I couldn't help but notice the small radius Oregon Double Guard tip on your bar. Oregon quit making those tips in the PowerMatch design years ago. Now only make them in little laminated bars for consumers.
When I was a faller the forestry company I worked for made company policy only those tips were to be used on our saws for safety reasons. Very smooth cutting low kickback bar nose, You can bore cut with them straight on into the tree with no vibration or kickback what so ever and still cut as fast as the full size tips.
I only have about 6 of these tips left in both 3/8 and .325, very hard to find today .Don't throw yours away I can rebuild it with new bearings.
Here's a pic of my 576XP AT with this bar nose I loan out in a powersaw contest I organize every winter.
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Quote from: beenthere on April 17, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Good on the big tree.
After my experience dropping a tree this morning, I'd sure not go without a hard hat. Bonked on the head with a fair size limb that would have made a serious dent with no hardhat. Came out of nowhere without a sound until it hit a good lick.
Same with the chaps... just sayin....
I'm not much on safety gear...in fact, I worked for a tree outfit in Colorado back in '07 removing beetle kill pines and must have ruined 6 pair of jeans that summer. I even cut through a nice pair of Sorel pack boots when there was snow on the ground...never broke any skin. In fact, I only have one eye, and can't stand wearing safety glasses as they all seem to fog up, even the nice vented ones.
Quote from: beenthere on April 17, 2014, 02:06:07 PMLook forward to more of your experiences, like what are you going to do with that big tree now that it is down.. ??
That huge fir is in a BLM park. It was cut because of the rot and hollow center, I just happened to know the guy doing the work and got in on the fall. It will just rot in place, as that is their policy. :)
Here is another shot of a really bad idea that almost ended badly...
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...never tie your log skidder (my f250) to a downhill log that weighs more than your truck on a 45% grade. This one nearly pulled me and the truck over the hill. TheMoses was outside my rig just scratching his head.
Quote from: HolmenTree on April 17, 2014, 03:37:49 PM
I couldn't help but notice the small radius Oregon Double Guard tip on your bar. Oregon quit making those tips in the PowerMatch design years ago. Now only make them in little laminated bars for consumers.
When I was a faller the forestry company I worked for made company policy only those tips were to be used on our saws for safety reasons. Very smooth cutting low kickback bar nose, You can bore cut with them straight on into the tree with no vibration or kickback what so ever and still cut as fast as the full size tips.
I only have about 6 of these tips left in both 3/8 and .325, very hard to find today .Don't throw yours away I can rebuild it with new bearings.
Now that we have officially jacked this thread...
Interesting...is there any way for me to tighten it up in that bar? I mean, it moves about 1/8" up and down when there is no chain on the bar. That is the only reason I was considering a new bar, and then I looked at the prices on Bailey's and thought, it can work a little longer.
I do enjoy a nice bore cut, and in fact, got her stuck the other day dropping a live Madrone that was growing at a 45 degree angle before I was even through my bottom cut. Madrone, when wet, is some really heavy wood (6000lbs a cord wet). The 142e had to save the big saw. In fact, when splitting green Madrone with a maul, water will often shoot up and get in your eyes! It's a truly weird wood that can NOT be split by hand when it dries...it's like hitting concrete.
I have an old ugly one but its a great saw with a little porting and 32" full skip. There was a real nice 372xp with a 32 or so bar on it last week for $500, let me know if I need to go back for ya.. Managers a friend and I can probably get a few $ off.
Quote from: theNooch on April 17, 2014, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on April 17, 2014, 03:37:49 PM
I couldn't help but notice the small radius Oregon Double Guard tip on your bar. Oregon quit making those tips in the PowerMatch design years ago. Now only make them in little laminated bars for consumers.
Now that we have officially jacked this thread...
Interesting...is there any way for me to tighten it up in that bar? I mean, it moves about 1/8" up and down when there is no chain on the bar. That is the only reason I was considering a new bar, and then I looked at the prices on Bailey's and thought, it can work a little longer.
Nooch, kinda hard to hijack a chainsaw thread about chainsaws on a chainsaw forum. :D
Your bar nose was probably changed at one time and the person probably installed the single rivet the wrong way. You will notice a X stamped on one side of the tip, that X has to be up when driving out the old rivet with a punch.
About all you can do is lay the bar on an anvil and hammer the rivet until it may tighten up. Only new rivets come with a new tip unless a dealer or somebody has a few spares.
A local chainsaw guy my woodshop partner has worked with some down here in southern Mexico has a 372xp and I was fairly impressed with its performance on huge guanacastle trees (some places also call it parota and they drop the 'l' in Central America to guanacaste). He's running a 32" bar on it. Guanacastle is a slabbing favorite for its enormous width and nice natural edge contrast. One of those teak-like woods in that it's hard but not dense so really not that bad to cut. The sawdust is a toxic nightmare though, have to wear a respirator working with it. I was going to get an old Husky 2100 for milling from Washington on Ebay and figure a way of getting it down here from the border, but stumbled across what was an unbelievable deal on a 372xp on the Mexican Ebay, mercadolibre. I'll believe it for real if the saw shows up at my door later this week. Saws, mainly Stihl available, tend to be a lot more expensive here than in the States. But this guy out of Acapulco is offering brand new Stihl MS360's and Husky 372XP's for 4000 pesos each with 24" Oregon bar and chains, which is about $310. Ludicrous. Seems to have a chainsaw shop and have sold a number with good feedback, but I don't know where they came from at that price, if the cartels have been hijacking truckloads of chainsaws or what. Was a no brainer which to choose of the two for the same price. Fully aware it's a bit light duty for a milling saw, but not sure how much access to whole trees I'll ever have and a good powerful freehand general purpose saw seems more important at the moment.
Quote from: huxpat on April 29, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
a good powerful freehand general purpose saw seems more important at the moment.
The 372 is every bit of that. Just awesome power for the weight.
I wouldn't mill with mine, but occasional use, rich tuning, and letting it cool down good and it should be ok.
Huxpat welcome to the FF site. Your the first tree guy from Mexico I've seen on a tree/chainsaw forum.
My family and I spend a few weeks most winters in Rincon De Guayabitos just a little
north of Puerto Vallarta.
I saw Husqvarna and Stihl saws in that area that were Chinese copies, maybe those cheap priced saws you heard about were Chinese.
Quote from: huxpat on April 29, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
A local chainsaw guy my woodshop partner has worked with some down here in southern Mexico has a 372xp and I was fairly impressed with its performance on huge guanacastle trees (some places also call it parota and they drop the 'l' in Central America to guanacaste). He's running a 32" bar on it. Guanacastle is a slabbing favorite for its enormous width and nice natural edge contrast. One of those teak-like woods in that it's hard but not dense so really not that bad to cut. The sawdust is a toxic nightmare though, have to wear a respirator working with it. I was going to get an old Husky 2100 for milling from Washington on Ebay and figure a way of getting it down here from the border, but stumbled across what was an unbelievable deal on a 372xp on the Mexican Ebay, mercadolibre. I'll believe it for real if the saw shows up at my door later this week. Saws, mainly Stihl available, tend to be a lot more expensive here than in the States. But this guy out of Acapulco is offering brand new Stihl MS360's and Husky 372XP's for 4000 pesos each with 24" Oregon bar and chains, which is about $310. Ludicrous. Seems to have a chainsaw shop and have sold a number with good feedback, but I don't know where they came from at that price, if the cartels have been hijacking truckloads of chainsaws or what. Was a no brainer which to choose of the two for the same price. Fully aware it's a bit light duty for a milling saw, but not sure how much access to whole trees I'll ever have and a good powerful freehand general purpose saw seems more important at the moment.
If something looks unbelievable, it likely isn't true - watch out for Chinese made copies of Husky and Stihl saws! ;)
@huxpat,
If it turns out to be genuine then I wouldn't doubt that getting a second one and running them in tandem would be a very nice and fast way of milling! You can get double sided chainsaw bars. Further it would be much more economical instead of wasting all your money on one saw to use exclusively for milling.
Something like this.
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How do you sinc the two saws so one is not pulling some on the other?
The way the saws are position mounted on the mill one is upright the other is up side down making them both rotate the chain in the same direction.
They don't have to be matched saws either, I had a Stihl 066 and a 044 mounted together once on my 36" Alaskan mill and they teamed up with awesome cutting power of a combined 164 cc of displacement.
Quote from: 7sleeper on April 30, 2014, 01:51:24 PM
@huxpat,
If it turns out to be genuine then I wouldn't doubt that getting a second one and running them in tandem would be a very nice and fast way of milling! You can get double sided chainsaw bars. Further it would be much more economical instead of wasting all your money on one saw to use exclusively for milling.
Something like this.
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Yeah, I'd seen setups like those before and always wondered about that. Anyway, there are a lot of rules and politics and headaches in obtaining guanacastle legally here so whether I end up getting into milling, we'll see. No one does slab milling anywhere in this region, though, they just cut it into what they call "tablones" about 10-16" wide. I'm not that excited about the wood just for the dark wood interior, but big slabs with natural edges are gorgeous. Here's one I'm working on the legs for now that was cut with a 372xp.
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I don't know why I hadn't thought about Chinese copies, except for the fact Chinese products are hit with such heavy tariffs in Mexico due to being a trade competitor for the US market, that you don't see much Chinese knockoff stuff here. Stihl's here are primarily made in Brazil, I think. Husqvarna manufactures there as well and wonder if that's where these are from. Not sure of the Brazil quality, but I think most of the Latin American Stihl's come from Brazil. This is also quite the exception to normal pricing here, so I'll find out tomorrow just what it is I got.
Quote from: huxpat on April 30, 2014, 11:25:52 PM
I don't know why I hadn't thought about Chinese copies, except for the fact Chinese products are hit with such heavy tariffs in Mexico due to being a trade competitor for the US market, that you don't see much Chinese knockoff stuff here. Stihl's here are primarily made in Brazil, I think. Husqvarna manufactures there as well and wonder if that's where these are from. Not sure of the Brazil quality, but I think most of the Latin American Stihl's come from Brazil. This is also quite the exception to normal pricing here, so I'll find out tomorrow just what it is I got.
huxpat, Husqvarna Brazil still produces the 272XP and 288XP and they may be imported into Mexico, next time you're at your Husqvarna dealer ask about them.
In case you haven't seen my pics on the Stihl counterfeit thread here they are from a little restaurant in Ricon De Guayabitos.
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I got taken. Like everyone said skeptically, if it seems too good to be true... Those counterfeit Stihl's don't say Stihl on them, do they, just MS360? The Husky said Professional 372XP, nothing about Husqvarna on it. Total bait and switch for a $50 piece of garbage, I didn't even open up the box it came in, looked like classic Chinese packaging of something you'd buy at Harbor Freight. Was about a 36cc saw, not even a remote attempt at a copy. He showed real Stihl's and Huskies in the ad and a little chainsaw shop, but probably pilfered them from anywhere on the net. He said he'd refund the money and claimed they were made in Brazil not China and "the ad said" and that kind of thing which was all pure bs cause he knows 100 percent he's running a scam. How no one has called him on it yet is beyond me. I shipped it right back and will take it up with the Mercado Libre payment system if he doesn't refund the money. I think he will, because he thinks he can keep running the scam as long as he mollifies the people who call him on it.
Ah well, didn't think there would ever be anything on this forum about Mexican counterfeits, guess I should have done my homework and joined the forum first before wasting my time on this joke! Thanks for the info.
That is fraud, if it was advertised as a Husky 372xp - handle it accordingly!
Btw, there also are Chinese fakes that actually are copies of the originals around - so watch out for those as well!
Quote from: SawTroll on May 02, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
That is fraud, if it was advertised as a Husky 372xp - handle it accordingly!
Well, fraud and Mexico are kind of old friends and not always a lot of legal recourse. But I threw in for good measure that I had friends in the PGR (federal law enforcement agency under the Attorney General) in case he didn't see fit to come through with the refund. I think I hit a nerve because he's already changed his ad to not show real Stihl's or Husky's anymore and only show the actual cheap copies he's selling. Sad thing about here is that a lot of people will try to cheat and bully you at every turn unless you come back at them hard - the whole "quien es mas macho" culture. Gets tiresome at times but most other aspects of life and all the truly warm great people here balance that out. You just learn not to expose yourself to being cheated. I set myself up for it going for a way "too good to be true" deal. You can find those deals in the First World sometimes where there's so much excess, but in a place like Mexico, not likely.
Don't feel bad about it, I read about it often in the german forums. Everywhere in the world are people trying to make some quick money, and the name Stihl is one of those money magnets.
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Picked up 2003 372xp two years ago for $200, rebuilt the carb and new fuel line and filter and I use it every weekend on the header.
Quote from: 7sleeper on May 03, 2014, 02:10:10 AM
Don't feel bad about it, I read about it often in the german forums. Everywhere in the world are people trying to make some quick money, and the name Stihl is one of those money magnets.
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Yeah, already chalked it up to part of the learning process. Makes sense that any high end name of anything is going to be fraudulently copied. Seemingly less of it in the States because they do go after fraud and copyright infringement pretty strongly there. Saw a UK Arborist site talking about it being a real problem how many fake Stihl's and Huskies are on the market. Will stick to finding a venerable used saw from the pre-copying days. Actually an arborist friend of mine has an old 372 that hasn't been used in years that he's going to check if it's salvageable and pass along to me if it is. I've still come back to the realization that my only interest in guanacastle is slabbing it though and I'm going to want something like a big old Stihl 076 or Husky 2100 to make a low cost milling setup to do 32-48" slabs.
Also, the US market is less tempting to sell fakes on than many others, because of the relatively low prices of the originals there.
There are a lot more of it in Western Europe than in the US.