So my Dad was born in 1935. His Dad had polio as a child. There were 12 children in and around the depression. My shop and yard would indicate I do not throw much away due to the way I was raised. People who criticize all my stuff often stop here first before going to lowes. Many of you are about my age, so thought what things you do as a result of years of experience and or upbringing. My Dad could fix anything. He once spent hours filing down carbon brushes from one electric razor to fix another one. I save boxes from work, make fire starters from wax from peoples nearly spent candles and wood shavings, I recycle glass and aluminum. We burn wood in the house and shop. I have bought 3 woodstoves in the past year that I turned around and sold at the same price to friends and family cause they were a good deal. lets see what you all got.
At Philmont Scout Ranch, we were taught latrine rules. You were never to pee in a latrine. It added to the smell and also the volume. If only more solid waste was deposited there, they never had to have them pumped. Imagine if all the all the men (and poss. a few ax women) in the country would go outside we would save 1.6 gallons of water per flush time lets say six times a day. 157 million males in US. 1.507,000,000 gallons of (otherwise drinkable) water per day, in the USA.
As a resident, I learned to carry a partial full styrofoam cup of coffee in my teeth. I could take stairs and go through doors , and walk about 4 mph and not spill a drop. There is a lip along the top. After working 36 hours, I would start undressing in the parking lot on the way to my apartment. Once inside, the clothes hit the floor, go pee and go to sleep. I keep telling my wife, that started my habit of clothes on the floor, but she still is not havin it after almost 21 years.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 11:36:19 AMOnce inside, the clothes hit the floor, go pee and go to sleep.
OK, now what was your excuse for not peeing outside and saving another 1.6 gallons of water ???
I was not that sophisticated back in those days. :D
Remember at Philmont, the liquids go outside and only solids go inside the latrine. I hope you are able to go inside the latrine at this point. Hope you are feeling better.
I was probly sittin so I could brush my teeth at the same time
Ideally these ideas would not sacrifice quality, safety or dignity.
Balancing time and money is the key in my opinion
I have piles of metal from my past job. My FIL don't like "junk" around,he only has about 250 square foot lot. So guess where he goes for his junk when he needs to build something?
My wife calls it junk too. ::) But when I make her something from that junk,it's not junk anymore. ;D
I just got to work. I got home about 12:30 last night. So I put my pens, card keys that get me in the gate, trauma shears, and stethoscope on the center console. S & W 40 goes in the house. with 12 hour + shifts and 2 hour drive time less eat, sleep, poop and pee time. I can get in my car and all my work stuff is ready to go back in pockets. Kinda like some of your work boxes.
Quote from: Magicman on February 02, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 11:36:19 AMOnce inside, the clothes hit the floor, go pee and go to sleep.
OK, now what was your excuse for not peeing outside and saving another 1.6 gallons of water ???
I was assuming he did go back outside after the clothes hit the floor. :o
Although it would be more efficient for the clothes to hit the ground first, keeps the entryway clean and saves steps. :)
I used to do more private package mail, and I'd save old protective envelopes, remove addresses, then use them again, lockstitching them closed with the strings from the tops of cat litter bags.
I save all plastic bags shelf food comes in. I either use them for food again, or for the bigger ones especially, put used cat litter in them. Extra insurance for when they go into the impossibly thin plastic grocery bags, which I don't get anymore for the most part. I use boxes at aldi, and at other stores, carry stuff out in my hand/pockets, or take them out loose in the cart.
I buy everything I can used. Usually not ICE tools. I'm not qualified to give a proper inspection, though my last riding mower was used. I have most of the tools I need now though.
At work, I repair most of my gear, and make a bunch of field supplies. If I complained, I could get newer/better gear, but I spend other people's money the same way I spend my own. The stuff I have works well enough.
I recycle everything I can, and compost all compostables. In the winter, paper products get burned in the stove. If not for a cat with a kidney condition, and using lots of litter, I'd make < 1 grocery store plastic bag of trash per week.
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For shaving, I've used a straight razor since the early 90s. All gear was bought used for <$50. Almost all the shaving soap I've gotten has been purchased through used channels. I doubt I've spent more than $5/year my whole life on shaving.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 02, 2019, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Magicman on February 02, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 11:36:19 AMOnce inside, the clothes hit the floor, go pee and go to sleep.
OK, now what was your excuse for not peeing outside and saving another 1.6 gallons of water ???
I was assuming he did go back outside after the clothes hit the floor. :o
Although it would be more efficient for the clothes to hit the ground first, keeps the entryway clean and saves steps. :)
That is what windows are for!!! :D be careful of the screens
Save money if don't bother to rinse the screen. :laugh:
So I grew up in a small Ks town of 8,000 then, 6,000 now. I always had "man" jobs. I worked for a wholesale place loading and unloading trucks. I wrestled 98 pounds and did not have to loose weight, age 13 freshman year. I worked with an older guy (22y/o) called Kojack cause he shaved his head. Not common in 1974. He was odd cause one minute he is telling you that if you grow a beard, to shave your neck so people know you are growing a beard and not just unshaven (very GQ) and the net minute laced with f bombs and detailed discussions about the opposite sex. We did bids for schools for canned goods, and they would send 2 of us to unload pallets of #10 cans. We were driving through Manhattan (Ks, home of K-state) and pulled over along the highway and ran across 4 lanes of traffic. He went into a grocery store and got a pound of bologna, and next door a loaf of bread from the day old rainbow bread co. He tossed it all in the seat and said this is what we are going to eat today. Might of been a chocolate milk but I thing it all cost around a dollar. It was cheap. Sadly a few year later at a party under a river bridge (my bother was there) he reportedly made a comment about a guys sister. The guy had just gotten out of jail, and hit "kojack" in the head with a pipe and killed him.
ps:I still shave my neck when I start my beard, I don't eat a lot of bologna, although I may be full of it! :)
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 02, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Save money if don't bother to rinse the screen. :laugh:
there is ammonia in the urine. just like the best cleaners!
Hey maybe try it on dirty bands! Who would have thought of this!
At home, in the lube tank or right on the band between cuts.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 02, 2019, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Magicman on February 02, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 11:36:19 AMOnce inside, the clothes hit the floor, go pee and go to sleep.
OK, now what was your excuse for not peeing outside and saving another 1.6 gallons of water ???
I was assuming he did go back outside after the clothes hit the floor. :o
Although it would be more efficient for the clothes to hit the ground first, keeps the entryway clean and saves steps. :)
That is what windows are for!!! :D be careful of the screens
Remember to take off your nail apron first too. :-[
Maybe just laziness but I try to consolidate tasks to reduce trips. I put the trash and ash bucket on the porch then dump it/them when I go to the mailbox, feed the dogs and throw more firewood in the box while I am out there then bring the ash bucket back in when I finish outside. I put the ash bucket at the top of the stairs and take it and dirty clothes down to wash when I go downstairs. When I go feed the stock I will throw a bale of hay on the ATV and keep a cable in the basket and often drag back a fallen tree or log to cut for firewood or to the brushpile for future burning if in the way.
I typically lay out the clothes I will wear the next morning the night before to be sure everything I need is clean and ready to use. I have a basic kit of mill supplies established and kept in key areas so I can quickly grab them and load the truck and not forget some critical tool or spare part.
When sawing I am anal about saving everything off a log I can almost reasonably use from saving lots of 1X4s, my edgings for tomato stakes or stickers or cutting thin strips off 8/4 pieces for crate making, etc. I save small pieces and cut short boards in many cases especially for high value woods like walnut or cherry. I'm cutting a lot of dying ash and often save 9-10 inch tops and make 6X6 crib blocks out of them. These items don't sell fast but periodically a customer will come pay a decent price for a 30-40 inch slab for a bench, shelf or top for an old sewing machine table and someone will want all my 1X4s for strips under a tin roof on a barn he is building.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 02, 2019, 06:56:52 PMMaybe just laziness but I try to consolidate tasks to reduce trips.
Sometimes though I have to remind myself "God only gave me two hands".
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 02, 2019, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 02, 2019, 06:56:52 PMMaybe just laziness but I try to consolidate tasks to reduce trips.
Sometimes though I have to remind myself "God only gave me two hands".
Laziness is getting others to do your tasks, unless its your kids, then you are a good parent. Is the two handed comment still referring to the use of urine on the saw blade? lol . Sorry for medical humor but I guess you could get a Texas catheter and use it for lube on "the fly" if you could adapt it to yur sawmill. hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. Might make the turbo 7 blades work even better.
I cant tell you how much junk i have. But that said, it doesnt matter if money is coming in or not, i always seem to get by via junkpile. The poverty and a junkpile kinda taught me everything i know. Im a dropout.
some people go to school to learn what others have figured out and others are smart enough to figure things out for themselves. My wife and I have done well, but were raised pay check to pay check. We still try to live a little like we are not sure about the next paycheck.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 02, 2019, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 02, 2019, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 02, 2019, 06:56:52 PMMaybe just laziness but I try to consolidate tasks to reduce trips.
Sometimes though I have to remind myself "God only gave me two hands".
Laziness is getting others to do your tasks, unless its your kids, then you are a good parent. Is the two handed comment still referring to the use of urine on the saw blade? lol . Sorry for medical humor but I guess you could get a Texas catheter and use it for lube on "the fly" if you could adapt it to yur sawmill. hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. Might make the turbo 7 blades work even better.
what I meant was in response to trying to get as much done in one trip as possible, like when walking around a job site or putting away tools, I find my hands too full to accomplish anything. That's when I like to remember I was only given two hands, I'm not an octopus.
I try to be efficient too, and will shuttle things between the house and shop. Make a little pile by the door when in for the night. Trouble now is I forget the plan and make just as many trips sometimes. Yes only so many hours in a day as well.
Exactly, I have little piles by my doors too and on the kitchen counter. Then my wife moves them or pushes my little piles into one big pile. What could possibly go wrong?😀
I can see from reading this thread, I have a lot to learn. My claim to fame was getting a great big fruitcake for Christmas from some distant cousin a few years back and accidentally mailing it back to him the next year. He wasnt offended so Im thinking this fruitcake has some serious miles on it.....
I resemble a LOT of these remarks, almost too many. Up to now, I thought I was just and oddball, everything has a least a second use, sometimes many more. Steps are things you can never get back, conserve them and use them wisely. I work alone most of the time, so finding ways to accomplish what I should have help for is a way of life (like raising a 21' long 4x10 header alone).
Doc, when were you in Philmont? I went in '04 and the training was a little different then. It also depended on the type of 'facility' if it was a red roof inn, a pilot to bombardier, or the other single one.
If we all peed outside our cities would all smell like Paris in a week. The whole city is a giant sewer and smells like one. I still do about half my peeing outside but, as my wife has informed me, doing so in the same spot stinks and kills the grass.
Fla,
TMI!
I do seem to share your opinion of Paris. Also if you go in one of their restaurants when you finish eating the biggest meal on the menu you need to go back to your room and order an extra large pizza to fill up. They are big on presentation with fancy sauces drizzled all over the plate but short on sustenance.
Group of us went in 2016. great experience to Philmont. Yes they had the "red roof inns" (traditional latrine), "pilot to co-pilot" (side by side, open air), pilot to bombadeir (back to back, open air). No urine in any latrine even if you are doing "double Dooty". If one needed to doo a number 2 on the trail or mountainside, It had to be 100 feet off the trail. We had a kit with a shovel, tp and hand sanitizer. Even though the seats on the latrine were old 2 x 12 lumber, you kind of appreciated being able to take a seat. They were weather worn and splintery so you did not want to shuffle much. If think I have seen some of the wood used for barn wood crafts seen on my wife's pinterest account.!!! smiley_dizzy
OG just cause you "resemble some of these remarks" does not totally rule out that you and I are "oddballs"!!! lol.
florida and WV, I had a framing crew help build my shop. I became friends with the foreman, who later helped me in the later stages of the build. He was digging near the foundation in the corner where a retaining wall came out and I heard him swear. When I asked him what was wrong, he told be one of his guys must of peed in the corner, and he always tells them to move away from the building. I had to confess it had been me a few days earlier. :-[
Ah yes, then they have updated the process for sure. The red roof inn's used to have a separate urinal pipe that ended in a slightly different location than the 'straight drop' from the seat, maintaining separation of 'donated materials'. I still remember the 'operators class' and the instructions to grab a stick, shove it down the hole and rattle it around to warn the spiders away before you sat down. There were more than a few situational awareness things you had to be good at there on a daily basis, bear and mountain lion avoidance techniques being high on my list.
The 'off trail' sanitation process remains unchanged after hundreds of years of perfection.
Man, some of those pilot to bombardiers had million dollar views out over the mountains. I took a lot of nice photos whilst 'otherwise occupied'. :) It could bring a whole new meaning to 'quiet time' in the early morning hours watching the dawn arrive. IWTGBTP!
Quite the experience. After 12 days of drinking water fresh from the stream, and making food we had carried for 3 days we were all happy to return to "civilization". Other groups could also attend besides BSA, and our sister crew (same overall destinations but a separate group) had the leaders 14 y/o Daughter with them. Early one morning headed to drop a bomb, their camp was along the way and they told me she was currently in process at the Latrine. After about 1/2 hour of waiting, they informed me that she often does not get in a hurry. With a little patience and pacing, she finally returned so I could use the facility. Early the next am, we heard someone playing what sounded like an opera cd at full blast echoing off the rock of the hillside. Turns out it was that young girl who already had scholarships to several universities to study opera.
It is sad that we have to pay and take off work to give our kids the experience of being self sufficient and making due. It is no wonder, and part our fault, that young people today are referred to as "snowflakes". The generations before us, had no choice and became the greatest generation as a result.
Funny, I recall being very tired when we did that last downhill hike from the Tooth into base-camp (it was a long day). But I wasn't in a big hurry to get home, but a few were.
Yeah, we pay a price to put in that effort and provide those experience, but I thought it was a darn good investment, better than getting a hot tub or pool in the yard, that's for sure. My son was a bit young to make the trip that year, but he sure grew up on the trail after some very rough days in the beginning that nearly broke him. I had my own serious bout with hypothermia halfway through, but it was a great learning experience for the crew, and they took good care of me. The next morning I was back under my own power, a little worse for the wear. Fortunately early recognition of the problem (it wasn't my first time) and quick and decisive treatment saved us from planning how to execute an evac mission from the top of Mt. Phillips.
I found this photo in my background collections, the Tooth of course.
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And this one is my favorite, quite the evening.
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Doc, the ability to urinate outside if one (man) wishes is still one of my key criteria for a place being a good place to live. I can go behind my garage here in town........but up at the farm, it's pretty much wherever you happen to be! Plenty of trees-much cover.
Wife and I have been known to rinse/re-use baggies, re-dry paper towels and re-use. I recycle everything that can be, and compost all kitchen scraps, yard waste, leaves, etc. and always have.
When I was a kid, the farm kids had it made. It was real good times for the dairies. Those kids had new everything. Meanwhile, me- a "city slicker"-who lived in a community of 2000 souls on the edge of a corn field!....had patches on my knees, etc. Things ain't always as portrayed! Farm kids did not "walk 4 miles to school" but instead, got picked up by a bus. Us "city slickers" in that tiny farming community did actually have to walk some distance, rain, snow, sleet or shine....to school. Again, a reversal of stereotype. No complaints, but it taught me at an early age to be resilient in all kinds of weather, a trait I retain to this day. Can't believe how wimpy lots of folks-who are generally decades younger than me-are, or seem to be these days.
tom
I agree Tom. I turned out relatively tuff, but not as tough as my dad, and he was not as tuff as his dad. Doing things the hard way used to be un avoidable. Now parents join organizations and sign up for activities to help make their kid self confident and self reliant. We have so many conveniences that it requires more effort to make a kid do something inconvenient, but of potential value in there future. not the one thing but the cumulation of things that you did even though it was not fun. It is prob. less safe to let out kids run all over town on a bike like we did, and in fact you maybe reported to child protective services by someone thinking it is not safe. I was given a book by a senior pediatrician. It was written by the Amish and called "raising up a child". It looked like something you could request from an ag. extension agent for chickens or hogs. but basically taught the new parent not to coddle the child forever. I currently blame the parent more than the kids at this point. The college experience is prob. no better. I spoke recently by email with my favorite college professor from KU. He was forced to stop teaching core curriculum courses because the university got complaints that he was to hard. I did research with him for 2 years looking at water stress on Portulaca in the 80s. The first test in his class "biology of organisms" had only 2 questions and answered writing pages. The mean of the first exam was 43%. Regards.
We have added an app called life 360. when I get home at 1 am my wife and kids are asleep. If I wake up at 10 am and they are all gone, I can look at my phone and I can see both my kids are at their schools and my wife is working in whatever town it is. It will alert me if there is a car accident. I can pull up a report for each person telling each trip and events like phone use, hard braking or acceleration, and speeding. There is a button I can push that tells me time to reach my family by car and push another button gives me a route to follow. This may seem counterintuitive after my last post. But my daughter, if she ever got lost, would not be able to give me directions how to find her ect. If my son is not going where he is supposed to, I will know. After seeing lots of hard braking and accel, he was warned. My dad always seemed to know and he did not have a smart phone. You can set way point the ding when someone leaves or arrives. I can be busy at work or half a sleep and know that my kids made it to or home from school. We are considering adding my mother-in-law and my brother since they live alone and in other towns.
I hope to not over do it but here are a few photos from our Philmont experience.
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tooth of time, yes we climbed it.
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the girl in blue sang opera for us. My son William 3rd from the Right
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top of baldy
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Son and I early in the week. My pack at 58 pounds. limit 30% body weight for the young men.
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my son acting as mule as I climbed the spar pole
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me repelling down a cliff
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pilot to bombardier. BYOTP
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The elders, I am on the right
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the youngers
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me on high cope course
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the ground from 42 feet up
When our kids were young (and still now) we only had a couple of major rules. One was "No video games in the house, ever". My son gave us all kinds of grief over the years without relief. I told him if you have nothing to do, go out in the woods and build a fort, make something in the shop, DO something. He hated me a little for that.
When he was about 20, he brought that up again, but this time he confessed that he now understood my point and was actually glad I stuck by it. He said, 'some of my friends are real morons and they don't know how to fix ANYTHING!" My son had taken to pulling bikes apart and making monster bikes out of them welding on long forks and other nonsense. Later he turned himself loose on the yard tractors and learned all about how to mess up an engine, and then repair it before Dad got home. :) He knew that if he broke it, he would have to fix it. There was no "buy a new one" at our place.
I think these days I would be branded 'abusive'.
Love your Phil-shots. Sadly, most of mine are stuck in a crashed computer. I was a bit younger then and don't look so decrepit.
now every phone has a camera and we upload to drop box. OMG no wonder the kids are screwed up (compared to us) lol. I am sure that is what our parents thought too. I think the pic from top of baldy mountain, that is eagles nest in the background, the lake.
Well, you have me whipped in the photo department, as mentioned, I think mine are gone, but here is one of our crew sitting on top of the Tooth. I have lost track of some of them, we had boys from 4 Troops and 3 different States, But the ones I kept track of somewhat and see in the photos became fine young men, cops, doctors, a writer, a Marine, and I don't know what else.
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speaking of fine young men, which one is Old Greenhorn?
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 04, 2019, 05:04:14 PMWell, you have me whipped in the photo department, as mentioned, I think mine are gone
What's actually wrong with the crashed computer? If it's "no hard disk found" sort of thing you are probably out of luck. Any other message (or even no message at all) then chances are the files can be recovered without much effort.
Doc, I am not in that photo because I snapped it. But all this talk of the Philips ranch had me thinking and I remembered a backup CD which took me a half hour to find and then 1500 photos to go through (from all the adults on 2 crews). I found this one which has just our crew and you know where we are:
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I am in the front row, third from the right with the hiking pole. My son is directly behind me in the blue tee.
I also found this one. Seems nobody really looks good in back country clothes. We shot this as a favor for the owner of 'The Hiking Shack, which had set me up with a super fit on my boots for the trek. They were collecting photos of folks with their water bottles from around the world. They have, sadly, since gone under. Great folks. SO on Mt. Phillips when we hit the tree line....
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Ianab, I am sure the disc is salvageable, I just have not gotten it to 'a guy' to do that. I long ago gave up fixing these dang things and keeping the hardware and software required to do it. I'll get around to it someday, soon I hope.
They have a new sign now but says the same thing. Prob. rotted from all the people kissing it after 12 days in the wilderness. I got down to 167 pounds pre-trek, and lost 7 more pounds at the end. We hiked over 119 miles just place to place, not including side hikes and activities. Running the risk of some comments, I would say you look pretty good! We made it OG. thanks for taking the time to find the photo.
In the interest of full disclosure and since we have already hijacked your thread beyond hope of recovery, I should point out that the photos of me in the above post are 15 years old. The following summer (2005) I made a bet with my Scouts at summer camp that if they won the campsite inspection competition I would shave my beard off. Many of the parents were aghast and warned me, but I knew they were hopelessly outgunned by some of the large fancy suburban troops. Our guys were all pretty young and I think we only had 7 boys. I just wanted them to do their best, and they did. They won! I had such joy seeing the faces on the leaders of those troops that had won year after year, that shaving the beard off was a pleasure. Soon after I joined the fire service and couldn't have one anyway, so it never grew back, however, these days I AM thinking about it a bit. I have very few recent photos of me, but I did find this one from a few years ago, I don't think I have changed too much since then. I am on the left, and the fellow on the right might be recognized by a few of the pickers here on the forum. He is gone now and such a good friend he was that I miss him every day. Moreover, he gave more to the world of 5 string banjo then almost anyone I can think of, except maybe Earl, and I could debate that. SO there's a little contest, anybody know this fellow?
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I think it still about things that are important to us all, like raising kids, and therefore how we choose to spend our time, money and resources. still not bad looking OG. There is only so much to go around.
AH! My bad, I thought it was about SAVING time money and resources, all of which I found much harder to do when raising kids, which is why I would repair used car and truck parts rather than go to the supply house and buy new ones, or even why I fixed my own vehicles in the first place. Or why I hand dug up the septic tank rather than hire a machine and operator, or why I....... ah never mind, you get the point. You work with what you have and if you don't have it, you figure out another way.
Doggone it Doc, you set me to thinking about those pilmont days and after I went through that CD I found another one that had a bunch of Philmont music on it, mostly campfire recordings I got from others over the years, and there went my evening. I am supposed to be cramming for my EMT re-cert exam in 2 weeks, but listening along I thought of a tune, whose name escapes me, and I am sure I had it in this group somewhere but I can't find it. There went my evening!
I got it!, "Colfax County Jail" I think was the name of the tune, but I can't find it on the CD. ARRRGGGHHH!
Happy ending. I could not find it in my stuff, so I wound up at bandcamp and if you search for "Philmont Field recordings" you wind up with a TON of stuff. WOW! I remember how I had to search, and swap stuff with friends and mail order (remember that?) to get this stuff, now, you just go to band camp and have at it. Sadly, they only have newer stuff, but still, I am just tickled. Never thought I would stumble on that through a chat on the FF! Of course, these are campfire recordings with all the warts, but I love listening to this stuff when I am working, it makes me smile. I keep a little digital player in my Mule and just let it run all day to keep me company.
SO I guess a Thank You' is in order here, and I can start studying tomorrow night. It's only a 900 page book, how bad could it be? I have 2 whole weeks.
I know this site is all about information. I guess the word is spend your time doing some things you can still smile about 40 years later. A buddy of mine Todd Brethauer told me something his dad told him. "Never do anything on Sat. night you cannot be proud of Sunday morning". He died in a car accident a few years later near Topeka. I actually drove past the accident on my way back to Lawrence (KU) and did not recognize his red jeep in the ditch. Drunk Driver. You never know what things will mean the most in advance and especially when we are young.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 04, 2019, 06:54:04 PM
SO there's a little contest, anybody know this fellow?
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Boy, with all the smart people and diverse knowledge base here on the forum, I am shocked, (yes, Shocked I say!) that nobody could guess who the fellow on the right is. I am just going to assume that none of our pickers came across this thread. :D
sorry OG, but I bet he is a musician, poss. a banjo player?
Yes, he is. I wouldn't expect you to know him Doc, but the pickers here on the forum should.
My brother played banjo for a while but it went missing. may have been an inside job! lol . I play a little dobro but may go a year and not pick it up. I got a guitar for Christmas when I was only 4. My dad's family was musical.. Some would say there is no such thing as a good dobro player, since it is a different sound, much like a banjo.
Banjos have a way of doing that, or multiplying depending on which side of the fence you sit on. Dobro's aren't easy but I love a good player, in fact Friday night I went to hear one that I consider in the top 3 in the world, Cindy Cashdollar. She is local for us and a friend. She also will credit some of her musical theory knowledge to the guy in the above photo, as she played with him locally when she was growing up and learning. Me, I tried banjo really hard, gave it another run in the claw hammer style last summer, I just don't have it. I stick with my Mando for my own pleasure, but don't play well with others, I feel like I am torturing them.
Yes., my sound gets better with a few beers, but sadly it may just be the effect on the receiver, not better playing. lol
so my dresser drawers are organized for work. In my first 8 years out in Hays, Ks I was often on call for emergent. deliveries in the middle of the night. I would buy a dozen pairs of scrubs, and when going in the drawer, would alternate shirt/pants/shirt/ pants. My niece lived with us for a while when she did some college stuff here in Hutch, and she sort of complained to my wife about this system. But early on, I could grab scrubs in the dark and head to the hospital and my wife never woke up. I have certain things I need to do my job. I have a pocket for every thing. Keys, knife, phone, wallet. I also have things I leave in my truck, key badge, trauma scissors, stethoscope. I do not get called out anymore but if I have a 7 am meeting, have to leave at 6 am, so get up AT 05:30 am. I arrive with everything I need. I know there are other ways to be efficient, but this is how I have done this since 1994.
There is little like that kind of duty which can better prepare you for efficient work habits. When I was running on the ambulance, I didn't have time to find clothes, so they were laid neatly on the floor before I went to bed, socks were at hand first. There was a flashlight I could lay my hands on in the dark, turn on and drop on the floor to give enough light to dress without waking my wife. Usually the process was well under way before the tones finished and they gave the dispatch information. The flashlight then allowed me to make it through the house without any other lights. In winter any critical items that needed to be warm such as nasal catheter lube were in my bunker coat pocket by the door. I also had a leg bag with my BP kit and steth in the house which I grabbed on really cold nights, otherwise it lived in the truck. That way I wasn't putting sub-zero stuff on a patient. I still carry that bag everywhere, it's tiny and just has the basics compared to the Trauma bag that lives on the back seat. We had precious little time and the toughest part was waking up while you were driving. I always kept a bottle of water by the door to drink on the way, it helped me wake up and clear the cob-webs. Over the years I developed my own system of keeping snow/ice off the windshield and other things that slow you down. The goal was to remove the need to drive fast which is never good. Time may be money, but time is also safety.
I also carry quick clot and tourniquets in my truck and back pack. It goes on the road and all BSA stuff.headlamp and flashlight in the door. Spam singles for snack or to give to homeless folks.
That quick clot stuff was still fairly new around here when I was ordering for the squad and our state was slow to recognize and authorize it's use or provide protocols, so I never 'officially' had any. I did have a few samples for my own kits the supplier sent along, they have since expired. I have dealt with some good bleeders but just never got it the situation where I could not deal without it and never used it for fear an E/D Doc would call me out on it or I would make ongoing treatment more difficult. Tourniquets have been on my 'to buy' list for a while, just haven't gotten it done, and again, I can improvise pretty quickly. It took FOREVER for our state to allow them thanks to shoddy research and recommendations from the ARC or AHA, I can't remember. My back country kit lives under the seat in my Mule unless I am on the trail. It is packed like a wallet in a zip lock, then zipped nylon bag so nothing can get wet. That one is more complete than my leg bag, and has stuff you would need for extended treatment far from help and for infection control, some OTC meds, a suture kit, etc.
I don't make visits to the E/D through the backdoor anymore and am not ordering supplies for an agency either, so anything I have, I have to buy out of pocket. I do have a few friends in the business that will score me some partially used rolls of tape (good stuff is hard to find) but beyond that I am on my own. If I use up my extrication collar or a BVM it is going to start getting expensive.
your friends and neighbors are lucky to have you and your talents nearby. "be prepared" can make a huge diiference. There are stop the bleed videos on line for anyone interested, and the training by local trauma hospitals is usually free. when and how to use stuff. It has become of active shooter training. also not bad for people using high powered equip with sharp pointy deals on them ect. Most gains in use and knowledge come from our military.
Around here the hospitals don't provide any of that training for the public beyond whatever the politicians are pushing for like the recent Narcan craze, just as continuing education, which I could probably sneak into anyway, but haven't. We are a bit behind many other states. When I took active shooter, it was in the early stages and focused on not getting shot, which I also found to be important. :) They developed an EMS component later and I was invited to participate in a statewide course, but I could not get the weekend off or get the travel money. My department thought I was taking 'too much training'. (Can't make this stuff up.)
My neighbors get what they get and I do what I can when called. I do not go looking for calls, for sure, had enough of that. But 'stuff' seems to find me, mostly at work, with the standard aging population demographics, and I would hate to be caught short in a serious situation. That happened once, in a Scout camp, and I vowed to never let it happen again.
If we have a FF get together, I can bring materials and train a dozen people in an hour. Interested folks can watch videos but to be certified, you need and instructor. That only matters if the cert is required by your job. In BSA I have taught it and the kids enjoy getting a piece of paper. You local hospital might start training if interest is shown, check with their education department. You will want others around you to be trained for when something happens to you. That is the joke at boy scout events. all others are in good shape but what happens if I keel over. Because of IEDs, troops on patrol would carry the tourniquets already loose around each thigh. bomb goes off, you can tighten the tourniquet around your leg yourself.
For a while the army was experimenting with BDU's that had t'quits sewn in at the 'right places'. Never heard how that turned out.
Frankly Doc, I have had and given so much training over the years that I am ready to put it behind me. Knowledge is power, of course, but I am not 'in the business' anymore, so how much I want to stay current is a really good question. I am not sure, but I think my instructors certification with ASHI has or will soon expire. I was certified to tech all the wilderness courses and up to Certified First Responder. I also had an AHA and NSC cert for CPR/ First Aid instructor at some point and of course, I still have my Pro-Board cert as a Fire Service instructor 2, which is national, but of course I still need the individual 'Authorization to teach' in our state for each class. Yeah, It is the time in my life when I take care of things at home and do some things for myself for a change. I encourage others to get out there and do their part of course, but I just handle whatever falls in my lap (just did some wound care yesterday for a fella, ugly cut). Now I am more of a 'Be Prepared' guy and much less of a 'First on scene' guy. I just do two laid back music events a year and that is about it. The rest are 'walk-ins'.:)
However, for folks who have never had it, I strongly suggest good training from a good instructor and having a few of the important correct tools for the job.
So we save time and money so we can spend it with our friends and family. Last day as medical director at the pediatric emergency department at The Wesley Children's Hospital. You don't always make friends like this at work. They threw a party, and we are all going to "brunch" in the am". Shift starts at noon so cannot do breakfast or lunch!
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yep beard is gone, and yes I think the one in the middle is poss. being inappropriate!!! not really.
I don't see anything inappropriate. Did you drop your trauma shears, or were you just happy to see somebody? You're a good man Doc. I used to be one too, so I should know. :D
amen brother. good times. And yes my trauma shears fell out of my side leg pocket. Of course these young ladies are more like daughters than anything. Many of them started doing peds because I asked them to. great nurses and a child life specialist in there too. And a good time was had by all!!! God Bless America.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 13, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
I don't see anything inappropriate. Did you drop your trauma shears, or were you just happy to see somebody? You're a good man Doc. I used to be one too, so I should know. :D
The sum of a man is the way he lives his life, so you are still a good man OG, I don't care what your wife says!!!lol.
Retiring from doctoring at such an early age or new challenge in the field?
Trapper, I will be taking the reins in my town at the regional hospital as ED medical director. 3 min. drive vs 50 minute one way. I have worked here for 12 years in the past so like a home coming, but leaving my Work family of 4.5 years at the Children's Hospital. had a going away brunch today and they had a plaque made. I usually make the plaques!!!
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I am the old guy in the middle. Thanks for asking. This may be my retirement job. Thanks for asking
the little one in the pink boots is an up and coming respiratory therapist (like her mom) The little one in the bib and diapers, must be an administrator ;D
Doc, you are much to young to retire! I didn't get to retire until I was 59! I was no doctor but some of my mail at work (Army Research Lab) came with PHD behind my name, I figured it stood for "pretty heavy dude".
You are right, most of us do not retire, but slow down a bit. If I can get some good people and get our local hospital running on all 128 cylinders (complicated) Then it will be a little like partial retirement.
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very nice plaque 3 feet long and weighs about 25 pounds. was a nice send off and I can still work there when I want.
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Chris and Mark helped me set up 2 sections of tent for warming and mess. Saw mill and troop trailer at camp. More trips tomorrow. with gooseneck, skid steer, fire barrel and branding irons. Our troop sponsors this camp-o-ree, for about 400 scouts each year for about 15 years. camp Alaska
Thought I would mention. I usually shower in the am. Sorry for TMI, and if that conjures a visual, my apologies. But in the eve. if I am tired and dirty, I have been known to take a bath and soak and relax. I put some lavender milk bath that my wife makes and take a chill pill (beer). When I am done, I leave the water till am to let it dissipate the heat and humidity. We have already paid for the heat and need the humidity in the winter. If you have ever boiled 30 gallons of water, it takes a lot of energy.
I spent my time and energy training up a good crew at the children's hospital. Here is my payment. I have a stainless steel plaque hanging on my honor wall with my dad and my great uncle, reminding me what all the nurses at my previous institution think of me. about 30 notes and signatures on the back. My kids can read them like a time capsule when I am gone. They will help scores of kids for another generation. God Bless America!
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my dad Bill on the right with his honorable discharge on maple above him. My great uncle Bill on the left of the chimney and further left with my great aunt Ola.
here is what happens to my thin stock with so much figure that it warps. My neighbor Jimmy started turning a year ago, and picks up cut offs from my floor and this is what he makes. i mark the bottoms for him. he has a house here, lees summit ms. and arizona.
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he had lurked online and trying to get him to join the FF. he is retired military safety engineer.
Hey Doc,
I just ran across this thread, probably due to the recent post, and I really enjoyed the read. Very nice to learn a little more about Bryan than is gained from the normal threads and our brief meeting in Rentz. Thanks for sharing!!!!
I do wonder how some of you guys find the time to get around to all the areas of this forum. You must have a system for that too in order to save time.
Quote from: Mossey Chariot on June 05, 2019, 12:08:00 PM
I do wonder how some of you guys find the time to get around to all the areas of this forum. You must have a system for that too in order to save time.
Keeping up can be rough, but I use the little link in the upper left corner on the main pages "read most recent posts". It lets me skim or read across all the threads and focus in on what takes my interest. Otherwise, you have to do a lot of clicking.
Thank you, OG!!
Don't know why I've never noticed those links. ::) Maybe now I'll have time to saw some boards after I finish readin' :D