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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2021, 04:56:45 PM »
Ainít THAT the truth!
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2021, 06:29:24 PM »
If you can chip it and compost it the pile will shrink in volume and grow in value. 

Since we farm we spread a lot on our fields, but we do sell it also. 

Takes longer than managed composting but just putting it into a pile it will breakdown in a year or so. 
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2021, 08:00:31 PM »
I fooled around with slabs for a few years when I started. Quite the learning experience . First was whole slabs for free, ha ha ah.  Then I found an old Cornell slab wood saw , so I ran the slabs through this into a pile, same results as whole slabs. Next I built a slabwood conveyer to load our high sided 1 ton platform dump while being sawed and had a small list of deliveries . That list has become about a half dozen 24/7 , see ya later customers, [only the best need apply]. Took a lota years to make it work. Around here you can sell wood but cannot give it away I have learned. Another thing; never dump [your wood] on the ground unless you like picking it up.

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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2021, 10:09:43 PM »
Lots of wisdom in that last sentence.  

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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2021, 10:27:46 PM »
@ LL.  

I was in a marketing class way back when i had lots slightly more hair.. Very slightly actually now that i give it some thought.  Anyways, we studied many situations which were exactly as you described.  Where the big fish was laying hurdles abd land mines behind them they could afford but the upncomers could not, in order to cement their pecking order.  Phillip morris iirc was the lobbyist behind all the anti smoking stuff. It was nothing more than to hurt the little competitor.  There were many of these. 


As for the value being in the labor, its the same of field stone and quarry stone. Its worth nothing out in the woods.. People wont go dig it up for free.  But if you put it on their trailer in a pallet basket all sorted for size... 
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2021, 11:26:17 PM »
Biggest problem is if you can be sawing lumber then that is where the money is and that is what you do, cutting up slabs just does not pay the same as sawing lumber.I have in the past payed to have them disposed of, taught them how use my loader to load their trucks with bundled slabs which they hauled to different ones in the area,farmers took all the sawdust. We bagged and sold our planer shavings. 
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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2021, 07:07:22 AM »
@ LL.  

I was in a marketing class way back when i had lots slightly more hair.. Very slightly actually now that i give it some thought.  Anyways, we studied many situations which were exactly as you described.  Where the big fish was laying hurdles abd land mines behind them they could afford but the upncomers could not, in order to cement their pecking order.  Phillip morris iirc was the lobbyist behind all the anti smoking stuff. It was nothing more than to hurt the little competitor.  There were many of these.


As for the value being in the labor, its the same of field stone and quarry stone. Its worth nothing out in the woods.. People wont go dig it up for free.  But if you put it on their trailer in a pallet basket all sorted for size...
Is this secret code for firewood?    Mushroom logs?

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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2021, 07:25:33 AM »
@Bruno of NH Have you looked at mulch?  This is a product that requires minimal handling, you rent a tub grinder for 1/2 day and just grind it all for mulch (not chips).  It sits for 2 months and then is loaded into dump trucks with any loader (skidsteer, tractor, whatever loads a dump truck) it is dumped at a client site.  This cuts down on handling and mulch sells for a decent premium.  In the mid atlantic I understand that the mills sometimes make as much on mulch as lumber.  This requires a business close to wealthy suburbs but I bet you have that within an hour.  
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2021, 07:48:58 AM »
@ LL.  

I was in a marketing class way back when i had lots slightly more hair.. Very slightly actually now that i give it some thought.  Anyways, we studied many situations which were exactly as you described.  Where the big fish was laying hurdles abd land mines behind them they could afford but the upncomers could not, in order to cement their pecking order.  Phillip morris iirc was the lobbyist behind all the anti smoking stuff. It was nothing more than to hurt the little competitor.  There were many of these.


As for the value being in the labor, its the same of field stone and quarry stone. Its worth nothing out in the woods.. People wont go dig it up for free.  But if you put it on their trailer in a pallet basket all sorted for size...
Is this secret code for firewood?    Mushroom logs?
No not at all, whatta ya mean?  Read LLs post before mine and mine should make sense.  Big corporations frequently lobby government to add regulations to industry that they can afford but the startup competitors cannot.  There were case studies in a college business marketing class i took 20 yrs ago
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2021, 07:57:38 AM »
Bark makes decent mulch. Wood chips not so much. Colorized is all the rage.

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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2021, 11:35:28 AM »
I have thought of mulch
They use tons in my area.
I can't find a unit to rent or someone to bring one in.
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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2021, 11:56:36 AM »
I think the only way youre gonna make bark mulch is with a rosser head debarker AND a tub grinder AND totes of dye which will likely invite the 49CFR into your life. 


Youd be money ahead to deliver the slab waste to the sugar people until they beg you to stop.   


Try advertising it on CL and FB for free.
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« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2021, 12:44:18 PM »
I think the only way youre gonna make bark mulch is with a rosser head debarker AND a tub grinder AND totes of dye which will likely invite the 49CFR into your life.


Youd be money ahead to deliver the slab waste to the sugar people until they beg you to stop.  


Try advertising it on CL and FB for free.
Free bring all the wrong people to your place. Sad but true.

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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2021, 04:24:12 PM »
i live among all those wrong people and they dont mess with me.  just gotta show your fangs.
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« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2021, 07:51:51 AM »
As for the value being in the labor, its the same of field stone and quarry stone. Its worth nothing out in the woods.. People wont go dig it up for free.  But if you put it on their trailer in a pallet basket all sorted for size...
I got this standard line when people start telling me my lumber is dear, or I'm offering too little for logs etc ( always the valuable black walnut crowd)
"Glass is just melted sand. What could be cheaper than that?"

I got people calling up wanting to sell me their valuable black walnuts pretty much every day right now - the price of lumber in the USA has gone up so their 20 year old plantation eucalypts over here must be worth enough to pay out the mortgage. :D
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2021, 09:31:50 AM »
I like that line.  
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Re: Upgrading to a Larger Production
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2021, 06:43:33 AM »
I might have to use that one myself. Now I have to keep up with lurkerisms too.
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