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New Draconian law hurts small mills
« on: May 05, 2021, 05:14:04 AM »
New laws here in N.B. Canada that our Premiere (governor)secretly introduce in January and just came out to the public lately regarding non stamped lumber,.. up until January is was legal to cut your own lumber to build a camp/cottage up to 600 square feet,.. it has now changed to 215 square feet,..Our Premier is a former IRVING (who controls our forest and Government) employee and still seems to be controlled by them.  
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 06:30:56 AM »
That's seems to be regional, we are still at 625 square feet up here, where the bulk of farm production happens. But in the St Stephen region it's now 215 square feet.

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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 07:58:49 AM »
That sounds like an alignment with our codes. Basically allowing uninspected accessory buildings by exemption but not exempting any habitable use.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 08:40:45 AM »
The last I heard for New York State, A sawyer can certify his own lumber by signing a letter, indicating the lumber meets or exceeds the stds for stamped lumber #2 or better. You can then use it for construction of most structures, including houses.
In most cases, as I've sawn, anything that's even questionable is thrown in the slab pile. If stamped lumber like what the big box stores carry is the minimum, I'll not  use anything as poor as that.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2021, 10:16:36 AM »
You can use your own sawed lumber for dwellings here if you get the lumber passed by an engineer or visually graded by a grader. You have to have paperwork, and signatures, not just your word.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2021, 12:48:11 PM »
That's right about New York. The sawyer has to sell it to the job direct and the building inspector has to allow it. Not allowed in public or buildings or over 3 stories. I think certain ag. buildings are exempt even from this. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2021, 05:43:29 PM »
That's pretty much how I heard it, I never read the law. I just confirmed it with the local codes officer and he confirmed it.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2021, 09:44:44 PM »
I just confirmed it with the local codes officer and he confirmed it.
Right there is the problem.....Code Enforcement Officer.  We have state building codes in Arkansas and Missouri but they have to be enforced by the county which is local government.  Most of the rural counties do not have the extra funds for a Code Enforcement Officer.  Even if they have the funds most don't want one.  That means no building permits (sometimes a building permit so they know when to send out the tax assessor), no inspections, and no problems.

Build here with toothpicks if ya want.  Insurance companies don't care.  Loan companies will send out an inspector, but all they look at is if the building is pretty and completed.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2021, 05:12:54 AM »
They've backed off on the new regs last week, we are back to 625 sq foot space now.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2021, 07:17:42 AM »
@SwampDonkey  My nephew told me that last night and was hoping for more info... BOOM good news tks for update.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2021, 07:51:24 PM »
Just heard tonight that they backed off only until December... and it goes to 215 sq feet in Jan... 
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2021, 08:28:31 PM »
You have a very narrow window to light up your neighbors and the media and convince the elected representatives of the nature of their positions.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2021, 05:19:39 AM »
They've backed off on the new regs last week, we are back to 625 sq foot space now.
Its 215 in Nova Scotia, well with the cost of living rising drastically and the many people now living in camper trailers and tiny homes now maybe we the people can push back at these ridiculous by laws. Like I say cant do nothing these days without everyone trying to dip their hands in your pockets. The government just oughta LEAVE THE PEOPLE ALONE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE TO DO ON THEIR OWN LAND, stop being a nanny state, I can understand if youre in the middle of a town or whatever, but these rules are EVERYWHERE. You cant legally off grid in Nova Scotia, literally force you to play into consumerism.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2021, 08:55:12 AM »
Wholeheartedly agree, the gov should butt out of people personal lives. However, you can definitely build an off grid home in Nova Scotia (maybe not in the middle of downtown Halifax). Whether you are able to obtain a mortgage or insure your off grid house is a different ball game.


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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2021, 09:22:25 AM »
I definitely relate to this post, I live in NY and the laws make it basically illegal to build an old style timber frame because most of anything you would use is upgraded. Doesnt mean it doesn't happen though....
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2021, 05:00:05 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2021, 05:15:09 AM »
Yes, end of the year and we're in the new regs.

Province reinstates lumber exemption for small outbuildings, camps and barns | CBC News
Good for you fellas. Only a matter of
Time here, 215 sq ft?!
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2021, 05:21:00 AM »
The new 215 sq foot regs, not the old regs.
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Re: New Draconian law hurts small mills
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2021, 08:48:32 AM »
 

 
Please excuse me for shaking my head.  I sawed some of the straightest/truest/no knot, Longleaf Pine framing lumber this week that has ever come off of a sawmill bed.  Shown above; 2X8's on the left and 2X6's on the right.  It will be air dried and it will all be used for framing in new homes.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2021, 09:07:53 AM »

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Please excuse me for shaking my head.  I sawed some of the straightest/truest/no knot, Longleaf Pine framing lumber this week that has ever come off of a sawmill bed.  Shown above; 2X8's on the left and 2X6's on the right.  It will be air dried and it will all be used for framing in new homes.
Our fore fathers would be in total disbelief/shock/rage, Im sure for both our countrys, they worked hard to build the new world, now you cant even harvest sticks off your own land and make a shack to sleep in on many places. Along with many other regulations.
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