The most successfully introduced North American tree species in Bulgaria.

[tonich]

Hey Everyone,
I’m starting a thread for the most successfully introduced North American tree species in Bulgaria. 

[SwampDonkey]

So, where are the photos?  :  ;D

[tonich]

So, where are the photos?  :  ;D

No photos! Sorry! I don’t have my own photo.  :-[


Oooops! Wrong section! What a start! :D :D :D

SD,Would you please move the topic to section “Forestry and logging”!

Thanks!

[SwampDonkey]

How are we going to 'talk shop' with no photos?  : :-\

[tonich]

Listen up, SD!
I’m unable to travel to the nearest Red Oak plantation, to make pictures. It is as 200 km. away from the place I live.  :  ;D ;D So I’ll tell you what I know so far.
I believe, it is not very disappointing for you!
It shouldn’t be, since you are a DVD ahead.  ;D
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Speaking in a different topic about red oak ID, suggested to tell you the story about the Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra) in Bulgaria.

It was introduced over a century ago. At first as a park tree, but then for forestry needs. Nowadays there are many pure and mixed artificial plantations. Two years old seedlings are used on planting. The planting pattern is 2.0 x 2.5 m. Mixtures are of combinations of local oaks (refer to my profile!), Limes (NOT a citrus lime, SwampDonkey! :D :D :D) or/and Austrian Pine. As most suitable provenances for the local needs are claimed the ones from Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York. There are even regions here, where Red Oak is established and fully naturalized. Grow successfully, capable of self-regeneration and sustainable to local insects and disease. Red Oak stands are regenerated with shelterwood system mainly, which gives reasonable results for the time being. Age rotation is 100 years.
Comparing to local oaks, it grows faster, frutescence more often and is sustainable to atmospheric pollution. It is relatively more frost resistant, but still a bit light demanding and requires more fertilized soil. Develops flatroot, doesn’t like soil overwetting and not a calciphyte (comparing to Q. Cerris for instance). Its wood is a bit lighter and a les valuable than local oaks’ one. Overall it is considered a valuable introduced species. My personal vote is very positive.

[SwampDonkey]

Hey!! It wasn't me claiming to grow citrus lime. I was just the myth buster.  ;D :D :D

Why do you call it lime? because it likes lime soils?  :

[SwampDonkey]

I heard train rides are not so expensive in Bulgaria. Maybe, we can have some photos later from your up coming trip 200 km from home? ;D

[tonich]

Why do you call it lime? because it likes lime soils?  :

I really don’t know.
Maybe. Might someone else from Europe tell us.
But generally Lime = Tilia

Check this out!  ;)
Your English is better, than mine.

[SwampDonkey]

I've been limed. 

[SwampDonkey]

Getting back to red oak, have you any planted in the yard? ;D

[leweee]

Swampy
Tilia X Europera L = Lime=European Basswood ;D

[SwampDonkey]

  smiley_dizzy

[leweee]

 :D  Is that you or me  :D

[SwampDonkey]

Well, I know where I'm at....err maybe not.  :-\

[leweee]

 :D And I thought foresters Know all the Latin & common names. :D

[Don P]

Sure, the european lymewood carvers. Lime =linden=basswood I believe. I think alot of old icons and relief carvings were lime.

We've got northern red oak here in VA. One of my favorite woods. Our cabinets and trims are all red oak from off the property. I never thought that it might mean northern hemisphere  :D

[treebucker]

Develops flatroot

I'm not familiar with that one. Do you have a definition?

[SwampDonkey]

I know the definition in relation to more shade tolerant, but suppressed mid canopy trees. They develop a flat top because of dominant over story trees keep whipping the leader, so the lateral branches grow horizontal to reach for more light. Develops a flat top.

Not sure of the context that Toni is describing unless it's due to elevation or high winds on the hill sides/mountains.

[WDH]

OK tonich, I am ignorant as to which introduced North American tree species is the most successful in Bulgaria!.  I must be Quercus rubra ;D.

Right?  The Tilias are not introduced, right?     

[SwampDonkey]

Sure, the european lymewood carvers. Lime =linden=basswood I believe. I think alot of old icons and relief carvings were lime.

Dang limies Brits.  ;D

[WDH]

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Ed_K]

 ? for all you foresters. Whats flat root? an don't tell me thats where i ran em over wit da skidder  ;D .

[WDH]

In Bulgarian, "flatroot = taproot" in english (maybe???)

[SwampDonkey]

Oh flat root....hmmm how did i read that as flat top?

Hmm, I'm sure we'll soon have an answer from Bulgaria. ;)

I'm guessing he's referring to deep spreading lateral rooting behavior on their soils. On wetter, finer (clay) soils, I would think the tap root would be more suppressed. Any red oak I've tried to dig up that was more than 8 years old, had a root clean to China.  :

[tonich]

Wow!
I can see, you’re having fun around!?  ;D :D :D
Right!?
Keep going, then!  8)

Answers (in other of appearance):
@SwampDonkey:
No, I don’t have planted trees in the yard. As you see, there is no room for it:



The terrain is so steep, that I have to remove the house in other to plant trees around.   :D ;D

[tonich]

@ WDH:

Lime is an important oak spouse here. Up to 10 – 15 % of composition is a very desired amount. There are even some unmixed basswood low-pole woods, but those are secondary stands, more a product of human activity, than a natural factor.

The following Limes are natively spread in Bulgaria:

Small-leaved Lime
Large-leaved Lime
Silver Lime

[tonich]

@All:

Flatroot = horizontal root
This is when the central root is not developed enough and balanced by the side branch roots. This is typical for the Spruce family. It is a weak point for Norway Spruce and creates management issues. Thus, this is considered an importing silvicultural factor, especially on steep slopes.

Comparing to local oaks, the root system appears less deep, and even more horizontal. There’s been a study on some Red Oaks windfalls here and this is the conclusion. As stated, this could due to some typical soil conditions here. Good guess, Swamp!

I do apologies for not been clear enough! I guess, this is what they call “Language Barrier”  : :P

[SwampDonkey]

We'll figure it out. ;D  ;)

[WDH]

Thanks for clearing up my ignorance tonich 8).  I am more educated now...........

[treebucker]

I do apologies for not been clear enough! I guess, this is what they call "Language Barrier"  : :P

I think you are doing fine with your communication. We have more trouble understanding the native English-speakers among us than we do you.  ;D  Especially the ones from Kentucky.

BTW- I like your house but but I am confused about how you mow the lawn. Does your lawnmower have wings  ???

[tonich]

Thanks for clearing up my ignorance tonich 8).  I am more educated now...........

;)

BTW- I like your house but I am confused about how you mow the lawn. Does your lawnmower have wings???

That’s right!
I used to have my own ones.
Once!  ;D ;D ;D

[WDH]

Did you lose your wings once you got into Forestry  ??? :D

[tonich]

Did you lose your wings once you got into Forestry  ??? :D

Exactly!
Can you ever imagine, flying with those big wings in those complete woods?  :D  :D

[Tom]

How much is a train ticket from the maritimes to Bulgaria? ;D

[SwampDonkey]

See Toni? They are already trying to get rid of me.  :

[WDH]

Hey, you know, foresters with wings flock together :D.

[tonich]

Hey, you know, foresters with wings flock together :D.

Hm!
If you, all the forester from North America flock together to our little Bulgaria, it might cause a huge cyclone over here, because of wing’s vibration. That will seem to change the climate for a while. Could lead to a forest succession and end up to a brand new forest flora, composed by:

black spruce
white spruce
red spruce
balsam fir 
white pine
red pine
hemlock
northern white cedar
tamarack
canada yew
trembling aspen
large toothed aspen
balsam poplar
white birch
yellow birch
gray birch
american elm
butternut
black walnut
white ash
black ash
ironwood
sugar maple
red maple
striped maple
mountain maple
black cherry
pin cherry
choke cherry
scarlet oak
beaked hazel
dogwood
fly honeysuckle
bush honeysuckle
red berried elder
high bush cranberry
speckled alder

and similar…

Perhaps, I should consider finding a new job then…
...…meanwhile, hiring a American/Canadian guy to look after my woodlots…    ;D :D :D

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Tom,
There is no direct train from Florida to Bulgaria.
Luckily, there are direct buses every hour. You could catch the first one, leaving. PM me two months later to receive you, straight at the local bus station!  ;D ;D ;D

[SwampDonkey]

Don't forget basswood, bur oak, red oak, silver maple and green ash.   :D :D :

[tonich]

Addition:
The introduction is claimed to be in 1902-1903. Over 12000 hectares are the Red Oak plantations, created in Bulgaria. The oldest one is in the central park in Sofia, created back in 1908 (this is where I had my practical exercises, when I used to study in The Forestry University). The seeds, collected from this plantation laid the beginning of seedling production and planting many crops. They are mostly in the flat countryside.

PS. Swamp, still no pictures. Sorry! 

[SwampDonkey]

You know the rules.  : No pictures? Didn't happen.  ;) ;D