Today I started a round walnut table and base 84 inches wide and 30 inches tall.Challenges are short time frame, sheer size and weight. The walnut top is actually a veneer ( 1 inch thick) that I put in the kiln yesterday with the carcass being Baltic birch plywood.It took me several days to figure out how to approach this build as I do not own a giant CNC machine. I will be doing things I've never tried before so I hope it works out ! This is a first in a series of 8 that the customer has tentatively ordered and I have free reign to interpret his photo supplied.
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Cutting a dado to spline 2 sheets of ply together for the bottom template.
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After a fresh grind with the big sander, liberal amounts of wax.It is super important that everything is flat as the angles on the top edge are referenced to the final build thickness/flatness. Rob
Oh boy I'm looking forward to this topic!
From what I seen of your work in the past,I am sure you and the customer will be happy with the outcome of the tables.
i'm in for this trip! Love your work.
glad to see you back in the funny papers here! 8)
Dang!! I could help you carry the plywood around - after that my usefulness would be quite limited....
Quote from: Southside on September 19, 2019, 09:58:50 AM
Dang!! I could help you carry the plywood around - after that my usefulness would be quite limited....
At least you can carry the plywood!
Lookin forward to the progress!
The first router template came out great.
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:P 8)
Love watching your projects come to life. From the size of everything you build
I am starting to think you live in the land of giants. 🕌
1" thick wood glued to plywood? Doesn't that violate everything we know about seasonal wood movement? I can't imagine it won't self-destruct this winter when the walnut shrinks.
popcorn_smiley
Quote from: low_48 on September 20, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
1" thick wood glued to plywood? Doesn't that violate everything we know about seasonal wood movement? I can't imagine it won't self-destruct this winter when the walnut shrinks.
Normally yes,,,,stay tuned.
Quote from: Southside on September 19, 2019, 09:58:50 AM
Dang!! I could help you carry the plywood around - after that my usefulness would be quite limited....
That's why I promote the inverse for myself; My use-LESS-ness knows no limits!
I too, will be looking forward to following this post.
Hacking out the frame today. I cringe at the price of 1 inch Baltic birch -165$ per sheet , especially when I'm cutting most of it away. I could have segmented the frame but I don't have time.
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Glueup tonight
"Glue up tonight"
So modest!
We gots to pay attention folks, cause this guy has a PhD. in epoxy. 😆
Hey,,,, where are my brookies?? only rainbows and browns this year !
Quote from: Andries on September 21, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
"Glue up tonight"
So modest!
We gots to pay attention folks, cause this guy has a PhD. in epoxy. 😆
Standard 2 coat then a third with a thickner. I wipe the edges to promote wicking- glue with roots.
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Quote from: tule peak timber on September 21, 2019, 07:34:11 PM
Hey,,,, where are my brookies?? only rainbows and browns this year !
Our Canadian brookies are safe for another year, Rob. 😆 They'll be bigger an badder by the time you finally tear yourself away from these amazing projects of yours.
This is a pretty amazing project. I am glued to the progress.
yes @Old Greenhorn (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) we see what you did there. :) let us know if you get epoxied to the project! :D
Quote from: doc henderson on September 22, 2019, 10:38:14 AM
yes @Old Greenhorn (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) we see what you did there. :) let us know if you get epoxied to the project! :D
I didn't do nuttin'! Glue can be undone, epoxy, not so much. ;D
This a just a really neat, really large endeavor and Tule always does such fine work. I can't wait for the next photos each day.
I am sure he will post more when he gets round to it.... ;D
Let's "table" the puns, and let Rob work......
"we-all-nuts" just like the wood Tule is using . you all are about as quick as a "one legged dog", just like the table Tule is making. you guys keep lamenting about this project, and Tule is actually laminating this project. shall I stop and "leaf" you all alone? oops forgot my smiley. :)
Adding another layer to the "pizza" this morning.This week is dominated with a push to get some redwood siding completed by tomorrow. A 1920's profile with weird dimensions-thank you insert tooling !
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I started the walnut wedges on the last "pizza" today. I noticed some slight misfit and corrected it by cutting the wedges twice -taking out board tension. I'm using bookmatched pairs to make the overall look less "busy'. Redwood siding order done for tomorrow. Had another dumped puppy come by the ranch, very sweet kid. The second puppy in two months... >:(
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Oh my, you are amazing. As many irons as you continually have in the fire, how do you keep your fire hot?? :o
Gotta love them puppies.
natural gas.......
Quote from: Jeff on September 29, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
Gotta love them puppies.
We just took this pup in 2 months ago. Another dumped, magnificent, kid added to our pack.
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wow tule peak, that pup looks like the twin to my wife's pup (not such a pup anymore), fantastic addition to the dog family which we are currently at 6 in total, well 5 and 1/2, the 1/2 being the jack Russell which was the runt of the litter, we call her our "clearance puppy" as she was $100.00 off asking price as she was the runt, now 11 yrs old and a heck of a rodent deterrent around here). the rest of the pack are all large breed dogs for the farm and night security. only problem with the wife's dog, even an eight foot high fence wont keep him in when he wants out to chase the 'yotes' for a bit, but a heck of a dog all around. Will have her get me a pick to post, its a twin in the making, nice looking pup there for sure. (oh and great looking table you are creating there) ;D
Meet our Sawyer in General Board (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=107586.msg1682932#msg1682932)
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Good looking pup! I miss my GSD. Mr Count showed up here about January - dumped Coon hound. Poor guy was so skinny that we had a doggie jacket on him to keep him warm and one time the collar was up - looked just like a vampire - thus the name Mr Count. We thought he was deaf and old based on his looks and behavior, even the vet thought he was old at first - nope, just mal-nourished and had zero idea how to interact with people, all the poor guy ever knew was get tossed into a dog box and run deer until you can't walk any longer then get tossed back into the box. Lymes positive, Elercia positive, Heart Worm positive, intact - yea the "sport of gentleman". Every year we see a couple show up here just like him.
Good for you and good for Mr count !We have a house full of pups , some more damaged than others and I wouldn't have it any other way. Tremendous stress relief to spoil these loving creatures and watch them come out of their "shells". I'm sure your life is better for it also Southside.
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Someone took the time to hit this little girl so hard on the left side of her face as a pup she lost her eye, teeth and part of her jaw. When we got her and her brother they were so mangled they were barely able to walk. Dumped on the side of a highway.Anyway I have more dog pics than Jeff has server space. Cheers !
You are my Hero my friend!
That is so sad that someone would be that mean to a animal that is doing nothing wrong in my eyes.
I'm amazed by people in both directions all the time. This guy was dropped off as a pup, just before Christmas one year, in the face of a heavy snow. We actually saw the truck roar off when he spotted us, the dog chasing behind it.
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Our black and tan, another dropoff who apparently failed hunter training, had him rounded up and at the door in short order "He followed me home, can I keep him?"
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Did you happen to get a closeup shot of the custom siding pattern, I always like seeing different patterns than just the run of the mill stuff, there used to be so many.
Love your pup pics......
The old redwood pattern is 7 5/16 face with 70 degree +- edge relief. Clear heartwood. More pics of the pizza tomorrow.
The last piece of walnut pizza set tonight. Delicious :D
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Oh that is making my eyes hurt!!! :o
The precision to cut all of those pieces knowing you would not tolerate gaps is incredible. Something that is very rare in woodworking. That looks fantastic.
DWyatt, Thanks. I did get a small gap between the first two boards and quickly figured out a "fix" by double cutting all subsequent boards for really tight joints. This is one time where clamps don't help---the boards either fit, or they don't. Each board was developed from a 6/4 blank and immediately glued in, one at a time. This process took all week to fill in the field.
Equally challenging was getting all the needle like tips to converge on a single point, again not perfect, but close. Cheers Rob
Router the edge and the start of sanding today.
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Kinda looks like a big mushroom cap.
The book matched pieces give it a nice look! It's a biggun.
Sand, sand, sand, and then sand some more :).
Looks fantastic.
After days of sanding,,,, a one piece 3 inch thick top today. The grain is starting to pop with the seal coat.
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Catching up on reading, yust got in from 'analog land': nuthin digital out in the boonies.
That table looks GREAT!
Book matched pizza slices, and a base underneath that has the strength of an anvil.
I wouldn't want you to reveal any super secret trade tricks, but is a Festool track saw the best way to get those air tight joints?
Andries, for the "air tight" joints I resaw, plane , sand, cut and glue immediately-one set at a time.I use a sliding table saw to cut the shape, than 1/4 of a blade width and a fence to "double cut " a small fraction off each face easing it against the fence until I get zero clearance. I then go immediately to glue with very little or no clamping.
When I started the walnut pie shapes I noticed a hairline gap between number 2 and 3 and quickly went to "double cutting" which solved the problem. If you can see the joint, I call it a bad joint ! Cheers Rob
Routing the back bevel this morning.
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You are working and I am watching enjoying. ;D
Good golly!! Do you have a "custom made two piece pool cue" too? :D
All halt........Smoked the router!
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I knew some folks in CA smoked some weird stuff, but never heard of routers!!! :) :) :)
If you let the magic blue vape out its toast, if it just quit I've jumped around the soft start on my big porter cable and she fired back up and is still trucking, just hold on when you hit the go button.
No blue tape on this guy. A bearing went and the stater and rotor collided----smoke literally :D
Edge done and coloration applied. I'm working on the geometry for the base in another room.
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Thank you, enjoying the thread.
And a quick shot of epoxy buffer/seal coat before the weekend. Cheers Rob
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This weekend I set up the tapered staves for the base. This was scrap from the top so I needed to putty and rough size first. I had to choose between machining the staves on a tilting head shaper or on the table saw-I went with the saw approach and two jigs.
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So impressive, love it can't wait to see it completed. How many hrs do you think you will have in it?
Hard to say how many hours. This is one of several concurrent projects in the shop , not to mention shop expansion in itself. Running the sawmill, dealing with the kiln, dealing with customers, all break up the daylight hours, while I do planning and bids mostly on weekends.
I go to bed with a clipboard and pencil by my side. :)
This morning it is all hands on deck to form up the base.
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Nice!
There's as much character in the base as there is in the top.
Had to read your reply twice Andries, I thought you said "as much character as there is in the shop" :D
Another shot on the bottom before fitting the base plate.
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Supper work
I don't go anyplace without Smiley she won't let me.I rescued her and Sheila says that's why she stays on my tail.
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That kid looks overworked !
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It is too bad your dogs do not get along!! :D :D :D
Doc, it is a slippery slope when dog pics start popping up.......... :D
my blood pressure goes down just looking at your pics. hope to visit someday.
Toss up....... Do I enjoy the wood working pictures of yours........or the dog pictures more....... ;D
Rob, beautiful work as usual! Earlier someone asked about preventing the movement of the thick walnut and you mentioned staying tuned-The drool on my keyboard is getting pretty deep, lol. I can be slow sometimes but did I miss it? Is the secret in the speed in which you re-saw, plane, sand, cut and glue each set of wedges (wedges are as flat and straight as they are ever gonna be) and the substrate you are gluing to is super strong and flat and the glue is super penetrating and doesn't allow for movement? I'm a sponge when it comes to woodworking information and look to the masters for knowledge every chance I can get.
Me too, the wood movement is going to happen.
But that substrate looks like it could support a bridge.
So . . . something has to flex.
Just guessing here - the epoxy is the magic ingredient . . . .
Love to see your builds should I ever come your way would love to stop in, but have not been your way since 84 so I will just look forward to your pics here at FF
catalina, Andries:
We have been successful in the past with big wood by taking as much wood out of the equation as we can. One of the things I did in mid-construction on this table was to change the design from a 1" thick walnut veneer to a 1/2" thick walnut veneer and added one more layer of 1/2" baltic birch. The structure of the top is built like a torsion box out of very good quality baltic birch ply, stable stuff, at $160/sheet. The walnut itself came in as logs around the first of the year and I milled it into 6/4, then dried it down to around 4-5%, at least according to my pin meters. When I began machining the pieces I followed through within hours to get them glued down with epoxy. As soon as all of the pie shaped 1/2" thick veneers were glued down, I sanded for 2 days straight and literally within the hour, used penetrating epoxy to seal the top. As soon as the top was sealed, we ground the edge on the bottom, coloured then sealed it the same day with epoxy. The photos show spraying epoxy clear coat.
There are no water based glues or fillers in this project. The trick with keeping big wood stable is you start with dry wood and completely saturate it then seal it with epoxy. There are several different products that I use to produce basically a big brick of plastic that looks like wood. Next week we will begin topcoating the epoxy with a 2K poly finish that is even harder than epoxy, but buffable, to get the mirror like finish.
We build a lot of really big entry door systems. I have one going on a thread here right now called "Building a walnut door" and I do allow for tons of wood movement and am very careful about grain orientation and where the wood is going to move. In furniture, I just seal the stuff up and don't call it wood anymore.
Pic below is the tapping of threads for the base and handling cradle. Yup- machine bolts in wood. Rob
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The "cradle" I came up with to help move/flip this beast.
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That's pretty amazing.
So your process is to seal it up to the point that no moisture comes in or out?
Dan ,,, Yes.
Drop dead gorgeous!
Beautiful work.
". . . to produce basically a big brick of plastic that looks like wood . . . "
All the while, you make it sound and look like fun. 👍
kind of a wood/plastic composite. what no titanium or Kevlar? :) looks great and thanks for sharing your trade secrets!
Andries, Thanks.
It is a big deal getting sealed up and off the construction table enabling us to move on to other projects tomorrow morning. We have learned the hard way that NOT sealing wood and moving off of a project for even a day can be disastrous.
How are my brookies doing ?????
Quote from: doc henderson on October 16, 2019, 07:31:48 PM
kind of a wood/plastic composite. what no titanium or Kevlar? :) looks great and thanks for sharing your trade secrets!
Doc, No Aramid fibers in this build. I do use carbon tow to tweek unruly shapes sometimes though.
Rob, your superb work continues to dazzle me and I have no words to describe the beauty of that table.
Some where in this thread the fact that the black finish was the bottom of the table was lost to me and I couldn't figure out why you would want to cover up the beatiful work done matching those pieces and the beauty of the wood, but hey the customer is right soo... yeah I feel a little special right now. ...I wish I was half as gifted in my profession as you are in yours, beautiful amazing work.
Actually I thought the same thing when I first saw that, @Poquo (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=45962) was here and straightened me up on it when I asked him who on Earth would pay for such a beautiful piece of art to just have it stained so dark!! Ooops!! :P
The last two posts bring up a question I have. The BB ply glue up for the top, will it be staying black? Or will just the bottom stay black and you will color/veneer the edge?
A top job. very beautifull
Only the bottom is very dark brown. The actual "edge" is the 1/2 inch walnut veneer before the 45 degree cutback going into the bottom.I'm trying to give the appearance to the casual observer of a massive solid thick all walnut top. In a bit I'll get some better pics of the grain "rollover".
I'm not a veneer guy in general but have been pushed into this mode due to weight and size considerations.I like to do big solid natural edge builds with hand carved end rollovers.
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Rob, again-you are a master and your work and eye for detail is phenomenal! Thank you for your detailed answer. I am always "epoxied" to your threads!
Mounted the end plug and shaping out the joints.Looks like a hot tub........
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Got some color on the base this morning after a great deal of sanding
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Today is probably the last warm day of summer so we took advantage and sprayed the ceiling with Tiger Foam. This stuff seals up air cracks and insulates at the same time. All these years with no insulation in the main shop what a treat !
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Mating of the base to top today. A great deal of thought was put into clearing the mouth of the shop , building a lifting cradle, and the overall logistics of getting this thing finished and out of here.My Northfield planer is sitting outside wrapped in a cocoon and we gutted all the piping and wiring out of the way in prep for a "clean"spraying area. Getting close........ 8)
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I can only imagine how anxious you are to see the final product.....us to!! ;D
Proof coat this afternoon.
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:o This is one project that I wish I could see with my own eyes. smiley_thumbsup
Ditto
I like how the raw beauty of the walnut shines through! smiley_clapping
I was lucky to get a couple truck loads of this English, pretty nice stuff.
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Are you spraying lacquer? Look assume
its crazy how that first coat wakes that table right up.
Quote from: bwstout on November 06, 2019, 07:28:25 AM
Are you spraying lacquer? Look assume
In Ca., tough to do with the regulations.
They regulate wood finishing or is it being commercial and using a spray booth?
the "proof coat" appears to be wipe on, is it just a mineral spirit to bring out any areas that need attention, what more can you tell us.
The proof coat is a single layer of poly that we can look at today for imperfections before the "main" event of multiple coat build up. Besides after any sanding we ALWAYS reseal the wood before walking away.
The wipe on is a cleaning process before spraying.
Quote from: Nebraska on November 06, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
They regulate wood finishing or is it being commercial and using a spray booth?
In my area there are severe restrictions on VOC's for any type of finishes.
My friends VOC exempt spray booth cost him right at 1,000,000$. That said I spend a HUGE amount of time researching legal alternatives for use in my shop.
@tule peak timber (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) , My first thought for your friends spray booth price was "yikes", I don't blame you at all for doing lots of research, I also wouldn't blame you for having another shop in rural Nevada.
Beautiful Work!!
Just WOW!!
The table is finished. This pic is the last photo after two days of rub-out. Obviously a lot of glare but Tony has the surface looking like a diamond. Thanks for sticking around through the build !
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That is truly a gem. I would love to see the sparkle in the customer's eyes when he sees it. :)
Quote from: tule peak timber on December 07, 2019, 06:55:42 PMafter two days of rub-out
Wow - talk about attention to detail and patience. That is truly beautiful work.
That is way KOOL 8).
That's a beautiful finish to the project, Rob.
👍
Thanks all.
Just having coffee this morning and wondering if the the customer will load in on the other 7-8 tables he was talking about. It would be nice since I now have the tooling/jigs figured out and repetition would be a snap.
On a bigger worry we have been working on a bid to clad the inside of a new government building in Sacramento since February and have hit a bit of a roadblock with one of the engineers on the program. Can't push a rope----we can only wait and run out of time. My first encounter with a "snowflake" that has political and economic power. Right now I'm throwing myself headlong into the "brown" project 7 days a week .
Good luck with the rope, hope you can change it to a piece of rebar....bg
After seeing this table, I think that I will have to quit trying to make tables :).
Glare is good!!! WOW!!!!
Rob, seeing your work is always an inspiration. Thanks much for sharing your tips and techniques.
Scott
Quote from: tule peak timber on December 08, 2019, 09:41:44 AMworking on a bid to clad the inside of a new government building in Sacramento
If it ever comes to fruition, I'd like to come by and see you in action (and maybe lend a hand, at least lend an opinion ;))! You'd only be 30 minutes from me.
Rob that is very beautiful table, I can only dream of doing one