Ok im just a little one man crew (looking to put on a 3rd machine btw) ;D and im a tinkerer and i really like machines especially ones that make life easier in the woods... i have 0 ambition to do tree-length, chip and run a hot saw. i really like these European skidders, dual winches,(remote control no less), forestry cranes mounted on the roofs.(think forwarder and nice neat landings) i want one of those! a popular machine they use is an lkt 80 looks like the size of a 540 or c5. anyone run one similar? Thoughts? kinda just talkin out loud, dreaming, but the direction id like to work towards. maybe a mini excavator with a shear for bunching pulp and firewood (small stems), TSI jobs.
heres a link ive been oogling over lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wrKGJlkT7s
Count me in, i want one too!! ;D
i wonder if the tires are loaded.
Tigercat had some 604 skidders setup like that in Europe, might look into HSM as well
tiger cats machine is perfect, just 20000# too heavy and 100hp more than i want to feed!!!! us small guys are stuck with 50 year old machines! maybe my expectations are too low, but a load a day is good enough for me and even a hard high-grade looks like a forest compared to where the big guys go. not to mention the residual stand is 20 years ahead of full mechanical ''forestry'' lol
Sorry meant the new 602 it's a little bigger then the 440C was but made just like what you wanted.
huh. i thought 610 was the smallest thing made looks comparable to a 640d or 518cat.....
aaa lot like a 518 cat ....ok wheres the nearest dealer lol
I imported a 25 year old Welte junior with all the whistles and bells in 2015 roughly for the price of a twenty year old forwarder. Plus shipping around 8.5K US from which was about 60% for trucking. I do not regret it but would I have known everything I know now or after, then I definitely would NOT be doing it again.
I wanted something to make live easier in the woods with no electronics and simple to fix, so far I only needed a new battery pack for the remote controlled winch and a seal kit for the crane main boom.
I log and farm about 50/50 and don't work it hard or have to make a living from it, so I think it should outlast my career.
The LKT 80 is a eastern Europe skidder and appears to be pretty tough, but all I know is from youtube just like most everybody else. Just thought if they would brake after every stunt those guys upload, they probably wouldn't be doing it.
A tinkerer as you say you are would just mount a forwarder crane on the back of a skidder and the dual winches are available for pto or hydraulics. A push down blade on the rear helps stabilize the machine while reaching over the sides. You need a bigger hydraulic pump or two and a bigger cab, because you have to be able to turn your seat around and have some legroom. Also with a clutch and a standard transmission you will be doing a lot of swiveling. :D
You are young and ambitious, you can do this. :) Somebody has to take the lead and I kinda too wanna know if this is doable. I guess we need some more members here to cheer you up. :D
I have always liked those Euro machines and don't understand why we don't see them here. For a while I have had the idea to put a loader onto the back of my Franklin, and build a forwarder trailer that could be towed behind it. One machine could do tree length, cut to length, and winch. Not to mention load and unload trailers.
The cab is too tight to swing a seat, and needs to be longer for leg room if you did, would end up with a bump out cab for sure, but I think it would be worth it in the end.
After seeing one what's the difference between that and a swinging grapple skidder or swinger track skidder? I'd also be concerned about pulling with the loader like some of the guys do it'd sure be hard on the squirts.
Never seen one in person so have to ask - can you load with a swing grapple?
If i live long enough, i will be building my final machine for similar reasons that lopet described. There are few machines i havent E-studied at one point or another. the timberpro 830/840 has become the design i most expect to clone. I own the engine, tcase and pair of 5ton truck halves with toploader axles and the AM general walking beam system. I will use XML's and shop built OTT tracks. i believe the rotary manifold, slew, cab, boom and pumps will come from a case/drott cruzair rubber tire loader. They are scrapped all the time now, i kinda have a verbal deposit on one.
My only struggle is how to power the tcase with the engine up in the cab counterweight. Im thinking its gonna take a huge hydraulic motor and a planetary reduction. I bought a torched off track frame hunk with the final and hyd motor from a linkbelt 2800A but i dont know if this is a great idea or not. Id like an auto tranny but kinda dont want the complication. Either one has more energy loss than a direct drive manual trans but the you have a clutch and no real way to swivel the cab which seems critical to me. If you want your forwarder to also be your knuckleboom loader it really needs a full swivel cab. But im sure a hydrostatic drivenwill be really thirsty on fuel if the machine travels a lot.
In my mind anyway, it would be a traveling machine on commercial sites with good roads. On sites with no roads it would stay at the landing and be my knuckleboom. The rotary manifold on the drotts has plenty of ports for a hotsaw hookup and power blade or outriggers. I would road the machine everywhere.
wow ! thanks for the responses... maybe JD and Cat will get the hint....there is a market for single guy logging outfits and Tigercat is apparently the only one on it available in America. I will be looking into those but for now im thinking the price point will probably be astronomical.
I have 2 years more or less before the kids are both in school and i can go to work for real again. so we'll see how these next 2 summers go. ive been going through what it would take to build one of these and i may very well just buy a crane and mount it on my skidder and give it a try. I doubt the robustness of those little farmi loaders but it would be a good trial run.i dont know where to buy one or have any idea on the costs. next year at the logging expo i will definitely be looking in earnest for some real options. it mainly would be for decking logs (you know, minus all the "pile humping") ive been known to stand the skidder pretty much straight up on the arch building piles in small landings but i bet i could triple the amount if the logs were turned 90* and stacked up. i also use a single, owner operator to truck for me and he likes to plan the best routes for effiency which sometimes will back me up. im currently running two machines at different lots and if i put on a third i could let him bounce around and cherry pick his loads to make the best of his fuel mileage and daylight.
Yeah, the standard transmission isnt ideal and youd just have to kneel on the seat to run the loader but so what? hell, im using my backhoe with a thumb to pile up logs driving around with my feet going forward running the wheels and my torso facing the back running the loader bouncing around. anything would be an upgrade!!!
ultimately a 5 ton excavator cab /swing house with a knuckle boom mounted to a skidder chassis would be the best if i could really have my cake and eat it too....preferabaly under 200k with a 20k+ hr life expectancy weighing around 20-25k lbs, dual remote winches, only consume 1.5 gal of fuel an hour max and 8.5- 9 ft wide :) you gotta dream anyway. oh, and i needs to exist on this continent.
Or just buy a good used 6 wheel forwarder and be done with it. Once you load it just drive to the yard. No dropping the hitch and winching because it to heavy. Or trying to bend a 60 ft tree around a corner
too big no winch dont bend 60 ft trees around corners, cut them in half ;D
HSM has dealers in Quebec and BC. http://inovforest.com/
The loading cranes are definitely not meant for pulling or doing a wheelie, put the new generation of Epsilon cranes are pretty impressive.
So when you go at it ? 8) 8) It would make it my favored thread. :)
well like i said, if i have a good summer ill be lookin for a crane:) i like the hsm's. ill get some literature and some prices, give me something to work toward anyhow. as the bigger pieces of land are smoked off theres a lot of fragmented little parcels and urban logging that haven't been worked over yet.
I'm also very interested in this thread!
I know some day i will own a "euro" skidder, it's just the perfect machine for my situation. You can do about 5 different tasks with only one machine
Of course you can dream of a Welte or HSM and i could possibly bring a affordable one over to our continent but, but i'm afraid of the parts you inevitably will need some day! and forget cheap parts from europe. Those brands are not like deere or timberjack where you can find interchangeable parts between brands or just search some junk yards and find cheap used parts and put them in.
Nobody ever said that there is lots of money to be made. ;D :)
the problem with a 'does it all machine' is that when it breaks you cant do anything. and the more pieces you add to it, the more complicated, harder to maneuver, maintenance intensive, expensive to fix it becomes.
the more I think about my ideal setup the more I see having multiple single task machines that don't hamstring me when they break. crawler with cable arch: for road building, house lot clearing, punching in landings, etc. cable/grapple skidder clark or TJ with clark running gear: dragging prebunched wood or the big wood that you only need one or two trees to go with. small cable skidder: for the light footprint jobs. and a landing crane on a road legal truck preferably something stout enough to haul the other machines behind. if any of those machines breaks, even catastrophically, I jump in the next and keep on going.
The flip side is thats a lotta iron to maintain.
Also a lot of "do it all machines" will surely do it all, but they only do everything 1/2 as good as a single purpose dedicated machine will do it.
Quote from: Southside logger on February 12, 2018, 09:01:54 AM
Never seen one in person so have to ask - can you load with a swing grapple?
They aren't meant for loading, but a guy that's good with one can keep from skinning up trees in a thin or deck a nice pile they're popular out here on the 517, 527, D5H, & D4H had some as well. The skidders that had then normally didn't as long a lot of them got flipped with the rocking motion of the swinger.
Quote from: pinefeller on February 12, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
wow ! thanks for the responses... maybe JD and Cat will get the hint....there is a market for single guy logging outfits and Tigercat is apparently the only one on it available in America. I will be looking into those but for now im thinking the price point will probably be astronomical.
I have 2 years more or less before the kids are both in school and i can go to work for real again. so we'll see how these next 2 summers go. ive been going through what it would take to build one of these and i may very well just buy a crane and mount it on my skidder and give it a try. I doubt the robustness of those little farmi loaders but it would be a good trial run.i dont know where to buy one or have any idea on the costs. next year at the logging expo i will definitely be looking in earnest for some real options. it mainly would be for decking logs (you know, minus all the "pile humping") ive been known to stand the skidder pretty much straight up on the arch building piles in small landings but i bet i could triple the amount if the logs were turned 90* and stacked up. i also use a single, owner operator to truck for me and he likes to plan the best routes for effiency which sometimes will back me up. im currently running two machines at different lots and if i put on a third i could let him bounce around and cherry pick his loads to make the best of his fuel mileage and daylight.
Yeah, the standard transmission isnt ideal and youd just have to kneel on the seat to run the loader but so what? hell, im using my backhoe with a thumb to pile up logs driving around with my feet going forward running the wheels and my torso facing the back running the loader bouncing around. anything would be an upgrade!!!
ultimately a 5 ton excavator cab /swing house with a knuckle boom mounted to a skidder chassis would be the best if i could really have my cake and eat it too....preferabaly under 200k with a 20k+ hr life expectancy weighing around 20-25k lbs, dual remote winches, only consume 1.5 gal of fuel an hour max and 8.5- 9 ft wide :) you gotta dream anyway. oh, and i needs to exist on this continent.
I'd bet that little Tigercat with all those goodies would cost half a million. Deere and cat got out of that market because how many little skidders do you really think get sold a year? How many one man operations can afford to buy a new skidder or heck a low hour used skidder for that matter plus there's getting to be places in the country where they're not allowed to run them. There's a deal out of Canada that sounds just like the ticket for you
what is the deal out of canada? is lopet selling his? (i do remember him saying "let someone else import one then buy it from them'' in his thread) ;D
and as far as what do you do when your jack of all machines breaks? ....buy 2 duh.... :D or just break out the old treefarmer--- ; (this is why i have multiple jobs i bounce around on anyway) i'll never be to proud to pull a cable. the concept is simple as dirt and well proven. im all for safety and operator comfort though.
ok then farmi,palfinger, and others how about a retrofit kit for us guys with paid off old skidders? crane and dual remote winch thats a payment i could probably and would swing. no pun intended
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I'd bet that little Tigercat with all those goodies would cost half a million. Deere and cat got out of that market because how many little skidders do you really think get sold a year? How many one man operations can afford to buy a new skidder or heck a low hour used skidder for that matter plus there's getting to be places in the country where they're not allowed to run them. There's a deal out of Canada that sounds just like the ticket for you
call me crazy but there is going to be a big turnover in the logging industry in my life time the median age is probably 55 in logging companies around here and up and coming guys arnt going to start with 3 new 748s,a slasher, a shiney new chipper, hot saw, trucking company ect. you start with a small skidder. nope not a big market maybe not even a money maker..... ever heard of brand loyalty though? who is going to make the next 540b or ...230 'jack, c5d? these antiques wont be around forever... ok they might... but you practically have to wait for some old dude to tip over and pry it out of his cold dead fingers to get one. with all the advancements in technology and manufacturing your telling me no one can produce a simple,,no frills machine. (and preferably a little dangerous to weed out the common sense impaired.)<--- yup hope that dont bite me in the butt lol
Not disagreeing with Maine372 and Chevy, it's not the perfect solution, because you have to compromise here and compromise there. I kinda put it this way, it's like a Swiss army knife, which isn't meant to gut a deer either, but doable.
The perfect solution for me would be also two skidders, one just for winching the heavy stuff and a crane skidder for all the tops and the small diameter stuff.
And pinefeller, sorry it's not for sale, I am pushing 60 years and I deserve it, had to wait long enough. ;D :D
Same with my shop, had to wait until I was 51. So keep on working. :)
If I was your age and start all over again, I really would be looking at hydrostatic drive. Was never a big fan of them because of the lack of torque, but man they came a long ways. Seen it on a mid size payloader which had only a big hydraulic motor on both diffs. Downside is you will be dealing with a lot more complicated hydraulic system.
Quote from: pinefeller on February 13, 2018, 07:06:13 PM
... but you practically have to wait for some old dude to tip over and pry it out of his cold dead fingers to get one.
:D :D :D All I can do is wish you luck.
:D :D :D :D :D the first skidder i ever ran was a 518 and i fell in love, torque converter but close enough. i am aware of the benefits and smoothness. i started mechanical and have been going backwards ever since. at least my machine is paid for now and in good condition. hopefully i will be going forward in technology from now on because im not a horse person :D :D
i will keep workin dont you worry... ;)
...a swiss army knife with a loader... ;D
Quote from: pinefeller on February 13, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
what is the deal out of canada? is lopet selling his? (i do remember him saying "let someone else import one then buy it from them'' in his thread) ;D
and as far as what do you do when your jack of all machines breaks? ....buy 2 duh.... :D or just break out the old treefarmer--- ; (this is why i have multiple jobs i bounce around on anyway) i'll never be to proud to pull a cable. the concept is simple as dirt and well proven. im all for safety and operator comfort though.
ok then farmi,palfinger, and others how about a retrofit kit for us guys with paid off old skidders? crane and dual remote winch thats a payment i could probably and would swing. no pun intended
Good thinking. But i think that my old 540A would't have nearly enough gpm oilflow to operate a crane, at least not faster than snail's pace :D
It's not the technology to build a small skidder, it's the cost to do so. Tier 4 adds what, $10K to $15K to a full size machine these days? Even those neat mini skidders from Quebec are $100K, that's a $2,400 / month payment there. Not sure how many little guys can make that work.
---how about glider kits like the big trucks (basically a rolling chassis you supply the engine and trans)
--add a tandem pump to the 540. if they can run a crane off a 10hp honda i bet your deere could run it.
30K gets you a decent six wheeled forwarder, toss the crib, shorten the frame and mount a winch and/or a clamp.
Just sayn..... there is another idea. I might even do that hahah.
Awassos (http://www.awassos.com/mt70.php) they build a skidder too
Quote from: Southside logger on February 13, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
It's not the technology to build a small skidder, it's the cost to do so. Tier 4 adds what, $10K to $15K to a full size machine these days? Even those neat mini skidders from Quebec are $100K, that's a $2,400 / month payment there. Not sure how many little guys can make that work.
So tier 4 is finally working as planned then? ... At breaking the little guys back.
Quote from: lopet on February 13, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
30K gets you a decent six wheeled forwarder, toss the crib, shorten the frame and mount a winch and/or a clamp.
Just sayn..... there is another idea. I might even do that hahah.
That's a excellent idea! Really 30K? how many hours?
Build me one ;D
Okay maybe I was a little low on that number. I thought I ve seen some older Valmets or Rottnes on Richards Carlson site or the used logging equipment site in that price range. Well that was a few years ago, obviously that market has changed too, or those deals are history.
Then you have to make all this changes and put another 20k or more in it. Maybe it's not such a good idea, just a though. :)
Rather than building small skidders again for a limited market. Perhaps John deere should bring over a few Kotschenreuthers or similar forestry tractors.
If the JD engineers work out the changes that are needed, maybe find the right North American engineering shop to put the new machines together as required. The new machines will eventually work their way down the affordability chain as older machines.
260 horsepower might almost be enough for small pulpwood thinnings.
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John Deere makes or did make forestry tractors in Europe. There are other brands that have factory made forestry tractors. They just don't have them in North America.
Wonder if some of the reasons they won't bring them to the states is our safety requirements to meet all states.
That one Woody - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzIH185cqM) is about the size of a 440 or C4 has the crane plumbed for a processor head, the rear plumbed for a hydro trailer which runs synchronized with the tractor, up to forty hydraulic functions.
AMAZING. 8)
The hydraulic system needs a computer to control it and that worries me most. I am too old for this technology, grew up with lever controls and got to know and adapt electric over hydraulic systems, but that's as far as I go. If I can't fix it with a hammer, a screw driver, a wise grip or a voltmeter I am lost. :D :D
Wouldn't mind to run it for a day and return it to the dealer. ;D
It's go big or go home boys, same as farming, but then there is the odd guy like me, who still wants to do something but just not everyday. :)
Guys, have you ever seen this stuff?
Général Matériel - Pince de débardage - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Dc-5rN6vDN0)
Quote from: Riwaka on February 14, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
Rather than building small skidders again for a limited market. Perhaps John deere should bring over a few Kotschenreuthers or similar forestry tractors.
If the JD engineers work out the changes that are needed, maybe find the right North American engineering shop to put the new machines together as required. The new machines will eventually work their way down the affordability chain as older machines.
260 horsepower might almost be enough for small pulpwood thinnings.
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They are very nice but don't think they won't cost around 250K
Quote from: lopet on February 14, 2018, 07:55:23 PM
Okay maybe I was a little low on that number. I thought I ve seen some older Valmets or Rottnes on Richards Carlson site or the used logging equipment site in that price range. Well that was a few years ago, obviously that market has changed too, or those deals are history.
Then you have to make all this changes and put another 20k or more in it. Maybe it's not such a good idea, just a though. :)
Actually you are fine. At least lots of 4x4 forwarders for that price, there are not so many 6x6 for sale that I see but plenty of 4x4, more 8x8 and they are a bit more.
Quote from: teakwood on February 14, 2018, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: lopet on February 13, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
30K gets you a decent six wheeled forwarder, toss the crib, shorten the frame and mount a winch and/or a clamp.
Just sayn..... there is another idea. I might even do that hahah.
That's a excellent idea! Really 30K? how many hours?
Build me one ;D
How many hours? Man, they'll barely be broken in by Costa Rican standards. Barely broken in...
search spokane CL for 6x6 forwarder and you'll find one that is a forestry forum special for 18k and 2x,000 hours. There's only one other in CL and that's out in the UP a valmet for 68k but it has 12k hours and looks newish.
Satamax,I just play on my own land,40 hp tractor. So don't have the time in big machines. But that tractor I feel would be kinda light on whatever end the logs are not on.Yes,level,smooth ground,as in the first part of the video is fine. Get one wheel over a foot high rock or a stump and I would get kinda nervous,especially in second gear.
Quote from: Satamax on February 16, 2018, 05:17:09 AM
Guys, have you ever seen this stuff?
Yes, three point hitch grapples are available here in North America. Wallenstein makes different models not far from my place but I don't think they will really catch on because you have to be able to drive up to the log. With all the underbrush we are dealing with here I don't see this is possible.
Quote from: nativewolf on February 16, 2018, 07:06:07 AM
Quote from: teakwood on February 14, 2018, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: lopet on February 13, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
30K gets you a decent six wheeled forwarder, toss the crib, shorten the frame and mount a winch and/or a clamp.
Just sayn..... there is another idea. I might even do that hahah.
That's a excellent idea! Really 30K? how many hours?
Build me one ;D
How many hours? Man, they'll barely be broken in by Costa Rican standards. Barely broken in...
:D :D :D
Now slow down!! I maybe live in CR but i'm still from Switzerland (the land of perfection! :D)
Kidding aside, i would never buy any complicated machine over 6-8k hours, period! It's just not worth the time and money.
My 1971 Deere 540A has 380h on the hourmeter that i installed 2 years ago ;D ;D
I don't know how many hours my deere has, but i am astonished how well that machine is build!!
one turn on the key and the engine starts, has NO leaks, doesn't burn oil or coolant and that's on a 47year old girl!!
Of course i thread her well, changed various hoses, seals, o-ring and some other parts, frequent oil changes and maintenance, go light and often is another motto i like.
But still, every time i need her she won't let me down!
I am pretty sure that a modern machine will not act the same after 40+ years of age
Quote from: teakwood on February 16, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on February 16, 2018, 07:06:07 AM
Quote from: teakwood on February 14, 2018, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: lopet on February 13, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
30K gets you a decent six wheeled forwarder, toss the crib, shorten the frame and mount a winch and/or a clamp.
Just sayn..... there is another idea. I might even do that hahah.
That's a excellent idea! Really 30K? how many hours?
Build me one ;D
How many hours? Man, they'll barely be broken in by Costa Rican standards. Barely broken in...
:D :D :D
Now slow down!! I maybe live in CR but i'm still from Switzerland (the land of perfection! :D)
Kidding aside, i would never buy any complicated machine over 6-8k hours, period! It's just not worth the time and money.
My 1971 Deere 540A has 380h on the hourmeter that i installed 2 years ago ;D ;D
They aren't too complicated like a 1010 TJ is mechanical 4 cylinder Perkins it's the mid to late 90's stuff you have to worry about, our 1210B looks like the wiring was just torn in the machine. Hours wise a few guys we know get 30 to 40k on them with one engine rebuild on the Perkins.
Quote from: thecfarm on February 16, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Satamax,I just play on my own land,40 hp tractor. So don't have the time in big machines. But that tractor I feel would be kinda light on whatever end the logs are not on.Yes,level,smooth ground,as in the first part of the video is fine. Get one wheel over a foot high rock or a stump and I would get kinda nervous,especially in second gear.
Quote from: lopet on February 16, 2018, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: Satamax on February 16, 2018, 05:17:09 AM
Guys, have you ever seen this stuff?
Yes, three point hitch grapples are available here in North America. Wallenstein makes different models not far from my place but I don't think they will really catch on because you have to be able to drive up to the log. With all the underbrush we are dealing with here I don't see this is possible.
Thanks a lot guys.
I never saw any on here. That's why i asked.
I might buy a small truck hydraulic crane. To make such a grapple one day. May be.
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Woody is a go getter. :)
Or you call that " boys are playing in the woods."
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I don't understand why you would want anything other than a forwarder. A skidder can only skid out timber to a landing and in doing so picks up rocks and fiber damage to the tree. A forwarder keeps everything up off the ground no rocks or fiber damage and keeps your landing easily sorted and tidy. Here you will be hard pressed to find a working skidder as they all faded out about 30 years ago, we went to cut to length. I have went everywhere on forwarders where I used to go on a skidder, I can't see the difference but as I have learned on here logging is different in other parts of the world.
That's why i want a skidder with a crane.
A forwarder would be to big for me as i have to drive thru the teak rows and be able to turn in them
then i need a winch which most forwarders don't have
we haul longwood, how do you haul 10-18m logs on a forwarder?
something like that would be the ideal machine for my situation
Colectarea lemnului in Romania cu skidder-ul Noe NF170-4R - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAxduFZLehY)
That's what I was saying about logging in other situations and locations. We don't sell any timber 60 feet long, we're lucky if the tree grows to 60 feet tall here :D So you sell your trees that long Teakwood? If you don't why then could you not cut to length when you cut during your final harvest? Just trying to figure out how things are done in your neck of the woods. I'm guessing that you only harvest the right size trees and leave the rest in the plantation thus the need for a winch. You can do plantation harvests with a forwarder with a squirt boom if your rows are placed right.
1. i just do thinnings in the plantation, no clear cuts
2. the best trees stay so they get even better
3. 60% of my land you can't work with a machine because of the slopes, that's why i need a winch (i cuss every day over the stupid 3305 deere winch because i run 50m/160' of cable which is still short in occasions and that cable gets hung up on the sides of the spool if the cable layers are not winched in absolutely straight, european winches have 80-120m of cable capacity)
4. The logs which i sell as longwood (the straighter, nicer, thicker ones) go from 5-11.8m (max. container length) 16-38', the rest goes as shortwood 2.3m (max. container width)
Quote from: teakwood on March 04, 2018, 07:52:11 AM
That's why i want a skidder with a crane.
A forwarder would be to big for me as i have to drive thru the teak rows and be able to turn in them
then i need a winch which most forwarders don't have
we haul longwood, how do you haul 10-18m logs on a forwarder?
something like that would be the ideal machine for my situation
Colectarea lemnului in Romania cu skidder-ul Noe NF170-4R - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAxduFZLehY)
A clambunk is how you do long wood or you have an extension on the back for long wood.
What percentage are the slopes? You might be surprised what a forwarder can and can't do with a set of tracks on them.
yes, a crane skidder with a clambunk is what i need, with remote winch
My slopes are from slight to almost vertical. they are short (60m/200' at most) but some are pretty steep
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there are even steeper ones. maybe a tracked forwarder could work 80% of my land but i have just 47ha/116acres so i can't justify a 100k+ machine or even two machines and a skidder with a winch will always be a must no matter what
For cleaner wood, why not using a smaller skidder with winch and a high fairlead, and a huge log arch. May be slower than the clambunk and crane. But way cheaper.
If that's most of the slopes then that's do able, we do steeper ground then that worse case we've had to hook up another machine to pull ours up out of a hole.
i don't drag the wood on the floor, the deere's fairlead roller is pretty high and i appreciate that fact. the problem is i can just drag 10-14 trees per hitch and my skid distance is far, up to 1.8km
then the other problem is on the landing: sorting of smaller diam logs and bigger ones would be so much easier with a crane than by hand. also the container loading would be much faster
that's my loading tool (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
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here you can see the shortwood in the front, selected, dragged out and piled by hand(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Could you put a thumb on the Volvo?
How steep are the tracks that you haul the teak along once they have been winched up or down the slope?
two bogie units pulled by the skidder? Run air brakes off the skidder
European log truck no pole between truck and bogie - just the hoses & electrics on a bungy.
Volvo FMX 6x6 in forest - YouTube (https://youtu.be/I_cd5ZXj2Ns)
Volvo excavator - log grapple but run off the stick ram hydraulic connections. If you need power rotate - two section electric solenoid on stick to switch grapple functions. Only wires back to cab, no full length of the boom piping etc.
Would you lose too much value if you chopped everything 2.7 metres and put every thing on a small trailer and aimed for quality/ cleanliness?
Quote from: Resonator on March 04, 2018, 05:56:11 PM
Could you put a thumb on the Volvo?
Yes i could
The cheapest solution would be to put a log grapple on my excavator, i have the hammer piping already on and could bypass the bucket cylinder for the second circuit, two circuits: open/close, rotate grapple left/ right
but that's a 30ton machine so the grapple would be enormous also, and where to find that?
Quote from: Riwaka on March 04, 2018, 06:29:50 PM
How steep are the tracks that you haul the teak along once they have been winched up or down the slope?
two bogie units pulled by the skidder? Run air brakes off the skidder
European log truck no pole between truck and bogie - just the hoses & electrics on a bungy.
Volvo FMX 6x6 in forest - YouTube (https://youtu.be/I_cd5ZXj2Ns)
Volvo excavator - log grapple but run off the stick ram hydraulic connections. If you need power rotate - two section electric solenoid on stick to switch grapple functions. Only wires back to cab, no full length of the boom piping etc.
Would you lose too much value if you chopped everything 2.7 metres and put every thing on a small trailer and aimed for quality/ cleanliness?
The skid roads aren't too steep but not accessible for a semi truck and i would not have the space to open a big enough leveled landing inside the plantations
the price of the short wood is about 40% less than the long wood so everything that classified for longwood has to be sold as.
The cleanliness/quality of the log is no problem, although i drag them behind the skidder just part of the bark gets peeled of.
Quote from: teakwood on March 04, 2018, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: Resonator on March 04, 2018, 05:56:11 PM
Could you put a thumb on the Volvo?
Yes i could
The cheapest solution would be to put a log grapple on my excavator, i have the hammer piping already on and could bypass the bucket cylinder for the second circuit, two circuits: open/close, rotate grapple left/ right
but that's a 30ton machine so the grapple would be enormous also, and where to find that?
They aren't that big pretty common here in the NW 48" open with a close of down to 4" would probably work for you I would also add a heel rack. Another option would be a power clam lots of guys run them in BC with long or short wood. Cws, Jewell, Pierce Pacific, TMar, IMac, Rotobec, Prentice, and I'm sure I'm missing some.
There is a Volvo EC380DL forestry model now which weighs 112 420 lbs,( 51 metric tonnes without mud )with processor attachment. 30 tonne is a lightweight.
A grapple for a 16 tonne or 20 tonne excavator would work with the teak without the requirement for a 30 tonne grapple.
If looking for a used grapple search the local old heavy equipment yards - many snakes/ spiders in those?
Matra, Tecun etc
Panama Tractor | Heavy Construction Equipment Sales, Rentals, Service & Parts ? Panama (http://panamatractor.com/) - used (would have cleared lots of trees for the canal expansion project)
New grapple - Panama(country) agent for intermercato- italian?
IntermercatoGrapples & Grabs Archives - Intermercato (http://www.intermercato.com/en/products/grapples-grabs/) (find a dealer)
Forsttechnik ? LASCO Heutechnik Gmbh (http://www.lasco.at/forsttechnik/) (wooden tongs - Kegelspalter - austrian made from hardox on sale)
To have quick change overs you might need to find/ make something like this - mechanical quick hitch with grapple attachment point.
Wedgelock Products | Forestry Coupler (http://www.wedgelock.com/products/wedgelock-forestry-coupler.html)
Do you intend to thin more teak blocks than your own?
Thanks alot for that info Riwaka, i will look into it when i have more time
Quote from: Riwaka on March 05, 2018, 05:31:51 AMDo you intend to thin more teak blocks than your own?
That could be a possibility, although i'm afraid that my 1971 540A deere skidder wouldn't be up to the task of everyday professional logging. it's a very good machine for the 1-2 month i use it in my woods but year around??
I dont see anything wrong with doing it the way you are and saving the money for girls.
Then, get your dough out!
I don't find this particularly expensive, for the machine it is.
Débusqueur Werner 2040 à vendre, 120000 EUR, 2011 - Agriaffaires (https://m.agriaffaires.com/occasion/debusqueurs/21761599/werner-2040.html)
Hi I had lkt 80 for few years until I got loan of 240a with Cummins 5.9
Lkt 80 are only 80 or 100 hp with turbo , heavy on fuel , not great for hills , hydraulic winch so more hydraulic oil in system ,so hard to get brakes working only good thing is cheap to fix and maintain.
Two years ago I got loan of 240a with Cummins 5.9 170hp and I have fallen in love . Great machine out climb most of the skidders , low and high transfer box , very strong frame , great power and fuel economy , very stable on hills ...
My other friends has Franklin 170 good skidder also but to heavy and to big because in Europe they don't cut out forest completely . Hsm are good but very expensive to fix ....
After that last year I got my own 1993 240a with deutz f6l912 and germatic winch deutz will be swapped soon for Cummins 5.9
Regards matt (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44629/IMG-20180208-WA0008.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1520274506)
Quote from: mike_belben on March 05, 2018, 12:06:09 PM
I dont see anything wrong with doing it the way you are and saving the money for girls.
i don't spend too much on girls, heck the can go work for their own money(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Quote from: Satamax on March 05, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
Then, get your dough out!
I don't find this particularly expensive, for the machine it is.
Débusqueur Werner 2040 à vendre, 120000 EUR, 2011 - Agriaffaires (https://m.agriaffaires.com/occasion/debusqueurs/21761599/werner-2040.html)
Nice! but 9200h (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) ?? is that considered low in europe?
Quote from: teakwood on March 05, 2018, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: mike_belben on March 05, 2018, 12:06:09 PM
I dont see anything wrong with doing it the way you are and saving the money for girls.
i don't spend too much on girls, heck the can go work for their own money(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sometimes it's best to do what you can with what you have. Yes you could buy a different machine and do what you are doing a little faster. But if your not into logging other sites what are you going to do with it. Pay payments and no work. Maybe by using what you have while not the fastest way keeps you in work longer.
You hit the nail on the head! but one can always dream!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All my machines are payed for and if i have to park them for several month i still sleep well. The deere is slow but gets the job done.
I just meant a simple thumb, for piling logs and loading containers. Doesn't have to be fancy, just some scrap iron, a few good welds, and a couple pins to fold it up. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Machines deteriorate/ depreciate even when you leave them sitting. The tracks seize/ rust up on excavators. batteries sulfonate, diesel can go off.
Could also use logging tongs (make your own logging tongs, out of flat plate) http://integritycrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Dixie-Forestry-and-Logging-Tools-Catalog.pdf (page 8
I would probably suggest a pole hook to push in and release the tongs with, so noone has to work under the bucket.
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Quote from: Satamax on March 05, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
Then, get your dough out!
I don't find this particularly expensive, for the machine it is.
Débusqueur Werner 2040 à vendre, 120000 EUR, 2011 - Agriaffaires (https://m.agriaffaires.com/occasion/debusqueurs/21761599/werner-2040.html)
Nice! but 9200h (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) ?? is that considered low in europe?
Well, 9200 hours is not new. May be 3000 hours or 4000 before rebuild.
i like this one, not to many hours but
still a high price tag
Welte W 150 Forstschlepper, 5043 Holziken - technikboerse.com (http://www.technikboerse.com/view/gebrauchtmaschine/forstschlepper/5307518/welte-w-150.html?search_id=1424&item_position=61¤t_page=4)
That looks tough!
If only my crane was more powerful, and not as tippy!
79hp for 19 tons.. :( It's a slug!
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that's neat! what is that machine?
i would work around that machine, maybe put another motor in?
Quote from: teakwood on March 09, 2018, 06:08:52 AM
that's neat! what is that machine?
i would work around that machine, maybe put another motor in?
It's a Contant "quattro" Made near Toulouse. ( as if there's any chance you would know that place! :D )
It was an evolution of the valtrac/Roux industries quattrino
VALTRAC qui connaît ? (http://vieilles-soupapes.grafbb.com/t2972-valtrac-qui-connait)
Based on massey, landinni and fermec terex parts.
24tm crane, that i have extended. The engine is a massey perkins T 4.236. But in the tractor version they've put the 6.354 I find this a shame, as the 6 perkins has such a bad reputation!
Problem with that machine, is it's tippy. Chassis is at about 5 feet above ground. And it has a powershift! Yuck! So i will put a winch on the yellow one. And may be a small crane one day! Or just put the white one at the landing. And use the yellow one with a log arch, to avoid putting dirt in the bark, which my saw doesn't like.
6BT. bro mirrors, huge stacks and a giant C in the window just incase anyone missed your swap thread.
Mike, i know the 6BT, i didn't think of this one. Only prob, buying imperial tooling!
The bro mirors, i would rather put on my iveco! ;D
I had to search, as i didn't know what they were.
Huge stacks, well, i feared the google image results. But they ain't no huge racks. ;D
The C for cummins, well, not necessary.
Talking about engine swap, if i had room, i would stuff the Unic V8 in there, 270hp, crane skidder thingy, i would be happy.
Simplest solution, stick to perkins! ;D
Im poking fun at the dodge boys here in america, haulin those ghost trailers loaded to the hilt. Not that ford and chevy dont have their share of bro dozers.
Ghost trailers, i guess unlicensed goods transport? Bypassing all the insurance, dot, interstate etc problems?
A ghost trailer is the one you never see hitched to the worlds most epic tow rig. Because its a street queen and not a work tool.
OK! Thanks.
Quote from: mike_belben on March 10, 2018, 03:14:52 PM
A ghost trailer is the one you never see hitched to the worlds most epic tow rig. Because its a street queen and not a work tool.
I got lost there. Which one is the worlds most epic tow rig?
Do you have some pics for us europeans who are not familiar with american terms? (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
what is "bro mirors"?
Just google brodozer and scroll around. When an f350 has 10" of lift, 38" tires, alcoa adapters for big rig 22.5 rims and a 20" drop hitch with 6" smoke stacks plus the tow mirrors flipped way out just to drive around town, thats a bro dozer. A work truck thats so bro'd out it cant work anymore.
Don't worry guys, I wasn't sure what he was talking about either😁
Growing up we used to call trucks like that "Tar babies"
Mall crawlers, pave queens, trying to make up for something is a better way to put it.
Pinefeller, teakwood, bumped into another one. HSM 904 ZL powershift (https://www.leboncoin.fr/materiel_agricole/1392777362.htm?ca=12_s)
Nice machine but add 10k for 4 new tires!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
it seems that the europeans still want some pretty good change for their used skidders!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
Quote from: teakwood on March 15, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Nice machine but add 10k for 4 new tires!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
it seems that the europeans still want some pretty good change for their used skidders!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
I always say, when it's overpriced, "they think they own gold"
Actually, i sometimes like it, when everybody else has high price tags. I can be cheaper, and still make money on used equipment. On normal skidders, a TJ 225 is rarely seen under 10K€ Cheapest ones are Agrip and Brimont, but, classified ads prices are usually in that range too. They might sell 20/30% lower
Tire wise, i know! On my crane, cheapest agro tires would cost 3500€ for the four, plus fitting and filling with coolant.
Didn't know this brand existed: Pfanzelt from Germany
Nice little feller, would be very handy to go into my plantations and prewinch all logs to the skidroads where a grapple machine could pick the logs up quickly
Pfanzelt Fällraupe Moritz im Einsatz - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aivABaTDzQ0)
I liked this vid
RITTER MASCHINEN GMBH | IMAGEFILM | Forsttechnik 2015 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnMYPqBFnag)
Tigercat DWC602 preview - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1cBgjWfBo)
called the tigercat salesman in maine and they are getting me a price on this guy......maybe just end up being a pipe dream. but at least I'll all have something to shoot for. a few years back i priced a 548g3 they wanted 185k. of course theres probably at least a 50k markup for the deere stickers lol
Well how else can they afford to keep up the board of directors' standard of living? Cmon.
Deere even charges it's dealers a monthly fee to display the Deere logo on their service trucks. If I remember correctly it's in the range of $300 / month / truck. Sometime look at their trucks closely, all the equipment you see photos of on the truck does not actually have the Deere logo on it, because that would cost another fee - absolutely insane. My 490 is the only Deere I will ever own.
I'll have to ask a good friend about that next week when he's out to service the 1270. Having said that and talking to a local guy that denied a Deere Buncher vs his tigercat the warranty on the Deere is longer and the price was less the issue was his operators.
Quote from: pinefeller on April 26, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
Tigercat DWC602 preview - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1cBgjWfBo)
called the tigercat salesman in maine and they are getting me a price on this guy......maybe just end up being a pipe dream. but at least I'll all have something to shoot for. a few years back i priced a 548g3 they wanted 185k. of course theres probably at least a 50k markup for the deere stickers lol
That's funny.
Foretmat, where the video has been filmed; that's a neighbor to me, compared to all of you guys. Less than 100 miles in the summer. when the Galibier's pass is open. May be less than 70 in a straight line.
The cars on the car park felt very french. You don't know those little peugeot, renault and citroen muck!
when i told the dealer in maine what i wanted, at first he seemed puzzled because that configuration doesnt exist over here. but after some discussion i think i sold him on why it would be ideal for me and he said as long as they make it somewhere, we could probably get one in America. still waiting to hear back. we should start taking bets on price. im positive this will be the future of logging where ctl isnt feasible.
Not that it matters,Is that the dealer in Madison?
I just about drive the car off the road looking at the stuff.
why yes it is, Frank Martin and sons.
Im holding out for a euro style dual drum skidder with a real front-end loader on it. When that happens, ill go buy one in my wifes name.
Quote from: mike_belben on April 27, 2018, 04:45:55 PM
Im holding out for a euro style dual drum skidder with a real front-end loader on it. When that happens, ill go buy one in my wifes name.
you mean your soon to be ex wifes name? ;D
Well i figure its been too long to try getting it in my last ex wifes name!
The areas in Maine that cannot be 'cut to length', have you seen the slopes that are cut to length in Europe and British Columbia? (with traction assist like t-winch, haas etc
Haas skidder - double winch reaming 170 hp from the JD 4.5 liter 4 cylinder (in the translation evolution of TJ 240) http://www.haas-maschinenbau.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Haas/umbauten/Timberhawk/Brochure_Timberhawk_ENG.pdf
Highlander HIGHLANDER - KONRAD Forsttechnik (https://www.forsttechnik.at/en/products/highlander.html) (harvesting clambunk)
I wonder if some sensitive areas would be suitable for the french canadian Teleforest (or similar koller etc) remote cable system (two aged excavators and remote grapple on powered carriage) Manufacturer of cable yarding system | Teleforest (https://www.teleforest.com/) (probably possible to turn it into a one excavator system etc with a tree or stump tail hold /anchor etc or summit swing yarder instead)
Teleforest remote grapple carriage
Teleforest : the safest and easiest system for cable yarding operations on steep slopes - YouTube (https://youtu.be/YlO0b3D0Fg4)
If you get the quote on the french tc 602 with double winch and crane grapple with the Fiat engine you might do a cost comparison with the oregonian peterson caterpillar tsk dozer with an ugly tier 4 dpf bonnet bulge - 202hp of cat power
TSK | Peterson CAT (http://www.petersoncat.com/products/new/track-skidders/tsk)
If it was me I wouldn't compare the price of the Peterson 527 they have an out of this world price them, but Cat has started to build them new again with a swinging grapple. Just wondering how the 527 that's 50k is even in the same league to compare against vs the 602 that's 30k?
That teleforest setup looks pretty brilliant. Its like a flying gantry that never runs out of track.
Is that thing self propelled ? Looks like it only works down hill, or how would it get enough traction on that main line to climb ?
They use the grapple carriages both in up hill and down hill, you need a main as well as a haul back line then a line for open/close on the old setups. The bad part is the swing yarders aren't exactly small or light with most having to have the mast removed for transport on a lowboy.
Theres an engine and hydraulic system in the carriage with remote control.
Teleforest - how much would the pulleys shorten the rope life by bending the rope like that?
possibly more productive with the rope chokers than a grapple. Would like to see the set up times on a double drum yoader (strawline to pull out wire)to a tail hold.
Teleforest intro vid
Teleforest english video - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Qy5BqL0xrAg)
Koller 602 - pulling wire for remote control yarder
Koller K602 Hänger mit MSK 10 LQ - YouTube (https://youtu.be/LlePskloleA?t=2m25s)
D6T - winching logs Australia - heavy dozers probably make too much mess for most places now.Someone would be narking to the enviromental agencies.
Davis's Cat D6T Dozer snigging logs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/mDu5KFGvdzI)
2017 D6T with more power (no dpf bonnet bulge vs tsk), new lock up torque converter trans - for supposed fuel saving - more compact machine, no flat tires vs rubber tire skidder etc (a used dozer with logging conversion potential after the earth movers/ road construction etc have done all the product part upgrades and general debugging and a substantial depreciation)
D6T (2017 version)
[VIDEO] D6T Tractor Dozer’s increased horsepower and weight boosts productivity - YouTube (https://youtu.be/M5YpMdWTyrg)
Would be interesting to know how the drive system works on that carriage. Must be pretty slick.
well, talked to tigercat today.... sorry we dont do these remote control dual winch forestry crane skidders in America. >:( this is a conspiracy. so the rest of the modern world get awesome user-friendly machines and the greatest superpower, (allegedly)in the world we get... uhh- a 948g3 ie- a bigger hammer . only the wealthiest biggest logging company's can finance and are too big to ever be useful for any meaningful forestry work or even be remotely affordable for a small logging outfit even after they have completely depreciated. Awesome >:( >:( >:( what a waste of time getting a degree in forestry. Ignorance is bliss.
deep breaths.........
I'm moving this topic back to Forestry and logging. It was removed because some of you guys decided to break Forestry Forum rules about political comments. I've edited that out and I am warning you knock it off. The other warning is, be very careful on sending my admins notes that say remove me and crap like that because boohoo you moved my topic. It ain't your topic. It belongs to the Forestry Forum. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.
Quote from: pinefeller on April 30, 2018, 04:13:04 PM
well, talked to tigercat today.... sorry we dont do these remote control dual winch forestry crane skidders in America. >:( this is a conspiracy. so the rest of the modern world get awesome user-friendly machines and the greatest superpower, (allegedly)in the world we get... uhh- a 948g3 ie- a bigger hammer . only the wealthiest biggest logging company's can finance and are too big to ever be useful for any meaningful forestry work or even be remotely affordable for a small logging outfit even after they have completely depreciated. Awesome >:( >:( >:( what a waste of time getting a degree in forestry. Ignorance is bliss.
deep breaths.........
The USA had that style of skidder for a while a 518 swinging grapple with a winch, I can only think of a hand full that were made because they didn't sell. The reason you only see a big machine is price take a 602 now price our small machine for the American market a 610 I'd bet money that 610 is cheaper in the long run to run heck it might even be cheaper off the lot then a 602 like you want. You guys think a swinging grapple setup is so user friendly how many have ever seen or ran one? Out here is where most were sold and used you don't see one at all anymore it'll tear a rubber tired skidder a part in a hurry if you want grapples you want a single or double acting setup. Also a heads up Young still makes a swinging grapple with a winch under it for PNW specs most of these were put on 525 or 648 sized skidders but I haven't seen one out here done in years.
Quote from: pinefeller on April 30, 2018, 04:13:04 PM
well, talked to tigercat today.... sorry we dont do these remote control dual winch forestry crane skidders in America. >:( this is a conspiracy. so the rest of the modern world get awesome user-friendly machines and the greatest superpower, (allegedly)in the world we get... uhh- a 948g3 ie- a bigger hammer . only the wealthiest biggest logging company's can finance and are too big to ever be useful for any meaningful forestry work or even be remotely affordable for a small logging outfit even after they have completely depreciated. Awesome >:( >:( >:( what a waste of time getting a degree in forestry. Ignorance is bliss.
deep breaths.........
I feel your frustrations pinefaller. While I expect that this setup would be too rich for my blood, I can see the conditions where it would be ideal in high value forests.
Matriarch Equipment Skogger , - skid, load, sort, fell (with add on head)
weight around the 22k lbs - bit under done at 100 hp?
What are the necessary upgrades (extra expense)? More power/torque, winch (to get the logs beyond grapple reach), chains or band tracks on at least engine side tires?, add on/ removeable ballast for engine side depending on what tree types are being hauled, loud extremely annoying beeper on machine (ground worker alert)
Matriarch Equipment - SKOGGER up-slope extraction of pine tree lengths for roadside processing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/UMlP_zOagQU)
This is cute and about perfect for most of the guys here
https://youtu.be/6UdQfwSMIvY (https://youtu.be/6UdQfwSMIvY)
That crane looks really smooth🙄😂
Russian Log rafting
Customer Testimonial: Timber rafting ("Arkhspav", Arkhangelsk region) Eng subtitles - YouTube (https://youtu.be/x2-N5wNDa18)
Nice vid, intelligent solution
What's new about log rafts?
Nothing new about long stick excavators either. Im surprised its volvo and not sennebogen.
There's a few guys out here that have long stick shovels that Jewell built they use for small tower corners vs tong tosser (log jammers).
Guys I've never seen a stick anything. Interesting. I have no idea how that mini skidder is making money. But I don't make much money when I am hauling out small stuff like that for my OWB.