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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 06:31:13 PM »
Thanks for all of the advice.
 Did not get to saw today.
 Found out this morning that I had to run 4500 Lf of v-groove.  Should not have taken that long but the power company was a little low
 on voltage.{ROUGH ON MY MOTORS}

 Log Dog what set are you runing on big cypress? [26"+] making 18" cants.

  Piney Woods I go right past you all the time.  My wife grew up in Lake Charles,  La.  Have to go see the inlaws.
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 07:09:30 PM »

 With no problems with you lumbermate and trouble with your WM I'd check the blade  speed, I'd bet your Lumbermate is turning the  blade slower making less heat, maybe gear the WM down a bit.  Steve
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 07:44:44 PM »
Think Ladylake is right. there a 3 lumbermates close by, so I am familiar with them. The blade speed is a bit less than the mizer. Most likely some additional set would cure the problem. Stop by and visit, I'm retired and usually here. LeroyC is a couple miles up the road, full time sawyer, cuts mostly big cypress...
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 08:07:36 PM »
Going to try .030, .032 if another profile job does not come up.
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 08:26:07 PM »
??  I just finished sawing 12,100 bf of Cypress using WM sharpened 10 blades.  I ran about 4 gallons of water with 2 oz. of Cascade per gallon each day.  There was never a blade heating issue.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2012, 08:32:48 PM »
Kinda startin feal stuuuuuupid!!!!
Did not have this problem till i started cutin these 14, 16, 18" boards.
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2012, 08:40:11 PM »
Before ya'll start bashing Woodmizer and favoring another saw company, maybe do a real good check of your mill setup. Sometimes alignment problem aren't obvious until you start trying to cut wide boards. What lube are you using?

Even WM states using too much lube in dry wood will cause the wood fibers to swell and rub the blade more, causing friction. I have found the same myself. I was once cutting a very old, dry walnut log. I was having to saw very slow, and I thought it was a matter of not enough blade lube (water and soap). Cranking it way up didn't help. I found a sweet spot, just enough of a drip to keep it clean and lubricated, and I was able to cut as fast as normal without excess blade heat. Also note, excess blade lube will soak the sawdust in the gullet to the point where it is no longer carried out of the log, but sticks on the cant/board.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2012, 08:49:31 PM »
Not blastin WoodMizer love my little saw.  The problem is most likely a loose nut holding the speed control.  I an just tryin to figure out what I am doing wrong.  I have wished that I had named this pos Help blades getting hot in wide cypress.  I don't want to ofend anyone and I will keep using WM BLADES.  Might just be a diferent wm blade.

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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2012, 10:16:55 PM »
Cypress Sam ...

Starting at .030/.032 you should be in good shape. I've run more set depending on which mill I was running at the time, what I was cutting, and which blades I was running.

I did think about this overnight though. In your original post you mentioned you didn't have trouble with your Lumbermate making these cuts and that did bring to mind possible speed differences. Whether it's blade speed or feed speed.

Don't feel bad. You can get your mill to saw straight and cool, even in those big logs, and even though you might not have the horsepower a bigger mill does. Once you get your blades set up right you'll be in good shape. We'll be pullin for ya.  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2012, 05:47:44 AM »

 As all mills are basically the same  blade speed is the only difference I could figure between his Lumbermate and WM and that sure is not saying to get a Lumbermate , I,d try a smaller drive pulley on the WM.  With higher blade speed you have less torque at the blade and will lug the motor sooner most likely resulting in slower feed rates causing heat.  Cutting smaller logs the higher blade speed will cut faster, it's a trade off just like chain saws.  Most every time I gear the chain speed down a saw will cut faster in big wood while losing a bit when limbing.  Steve
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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2012, 07:14:03 AM »
Now if the sun would just come up so I can go to work and try this>
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Re: Help Woodmizer blades getting hot in wide cypress!
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2012, 07:16:36 AM »
Now if the sun would just come up >
there's a lot of experience here, but....
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2012, 08:47:33 AM »

 As all mills are basically the same  blade speed is the only difference I could figure between his Lumbermate and WM and that sure is not saying to get a Lumbermate , I,d try a smaller drive pulley on the WM.  With higher blade speed you have less torque at the blade and will lug the motor sooner most likely resulting in slower feed rates causing heat.  Cutting smaller logs the higher blade speed will cut faster, it's a trade off just like chain saws.  Most every time I gear the chain speed down a saw will cut faster in big wood while losing a bit when limbing.  Steve

Man ... don't go changin' drive pulleys. That WoodMizer will cut just the way it is designed to. Make sure your drive belt is tight enough so you're not getting any slippage, put a razor sharp, well set blade on there and don't feed it too fast. You should be good to go.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2012, 09:05:04 AM »
 
 It sure isn't going to hurt trying a $50 or so pulley,  you can always put the old on back on. My blade speed is quite a bit slower after I put the diesel on my mill with the same pulley as the 3600 RPM gas motor had vs the 3100 RPM diesel, It saws about twice as fast with the diesel .  Steve
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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2012, 08:08:07 AM »
Only got  to cut one 14" cant. Blades did fine.  Now I am cutting 2x6 to make t&g for a timber frame roof sheath. I will have to wait untill the next order to see how the new set works out on some larger footage.

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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2012, 08:33:26 AM »
Keep us informed.  Followup answers and solutions help everyone with future questions
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