oak

[coxy]

is pin oak and white oak the same never cut any of them in my life 

[Jeff]

I believe pin oak is a sub species of red oak and white oak is the lead species with other sub species beneath it.

[Cutter Q]

Pin oak is in the red oak family. It is also sometimes referred to as scraggly oak. It generally has smaller leaves than the standard red oak and also only lives to about 90 years old so you won't see massive pin oaks. The only reason I know this is i recently bought 115 acres, and last week I walked the land with my local DNR guy and he happened to mention I had a lot of pin oak, and I needed clearification as to what the heck pin oak was. 

[Firewoodjoe]

I think we call it black oak here. Very closer to red oak but junky. Has lots of defects in the lumber and seems to be weaker. When there felled the tops bust up.

[Southside]

Pin oak is red oak as stated, but a lot of folks call Willow oak, Pin Oak, which is another red oak too. What do the leaves look like? 

[coxy]

dont know what they look like  ;D i have never cut any of them it was brought up in a conversation that pin oak was in the red oak family but I was always told it was in the white oak family :-\ but I think I trust you guys on what you say  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D thanks for the info it just cost me 50 bucks I lost the bet  >:(

[mills]

Around here it's a "green" oak if the log is good and sound, but it's "pin" oak if it has voids and bad spots. Same dat burn tree if you ask me, but that's what the old timers and log buyers will tell you.  :D :D :D Bark is dark green, sap wood is white, but the heartwood is brown. You never know how a true pin oak will saw out.

Since we don't have a lot of good quality walnut, white oak is king in these parts. And, the only wood good enough to store good ole Kentucky bourbon.  ;)

[Dave Shepard]

Pin oak around here, quercus palustris, is much different than red oak. It is an ornamental. Black oak, quercus velutina, is very close to red oak, but has many small knots making it less desirable than red oak.

[WDH]

There is a whack of red oaks.  Pin oak is just one.  In the Northern frozen areas, there are only a few red oaks, with northern red oak and black oak the predominate ones.  In the South, there are a scad of red oaks.  More than you can count with all your fingers and toes.  

What people call a pin oak in Magicman's area of the world is not pin oak at all.  It is a local thing.  Many local names for trees are dead wrong. 

[btulloh]

As far as I know, the leaf of the pin oak is unique and impossible to confuse with another type of oak. Around here at least the bark is unmistakable. I've run into a lot of people that confuse willow oak with pin oak, until I show them a pin oak leaf.

Of course there have been times when I 've posted something absolute on here and then I learn that I'm absolutely wrong. So at least I learn. Progress.

[gspren]

 My theory is that Pin Oak was once used for carving a wooden boy, Pinocchio.

[Jeff]

LIAR!

[btulloh]

I've heard that pin oak tastes like chicken.

[mike_belben]

Around here it's a "green" oak if the log is good and sound, but it's "pin" oak if it has voids and bad spots. Same dat burn tree if you ask me, but that's what the old timers and log buyers will tell you.  :D :D :D 

Yeah and the whole thing is covered in invisible "pin knots" when the buyer aint buyin.  Funny how them pin knots can grow on any species, not just pin oak, when the piles are high. Then they fade away anytime the sorting yard gets low.

[WDH]

That elusive pin oak pin knot.

[ehp]

Pin oak here looks like red oak but is not the same tree and the mill knows it . Pin oak is worth a lot less than red here , black oak is a different tree again and then there is golden oak which is a black and red crossed

[Autocar]

Pin oak here is just that pin knots from ground level to the tip top. Lower branches sweep down and die as the tree matures the dead branches hang on till H### feezes over. Pin oak if grow in the right spot can be sold as red oak Black oak is ruffer bark and darker wood then red oak. Around here easy to see the difference in each species and as far as White Oak compleaty different specie. You can sell white/swamp white / and bur as pure white around here unless she is reaily dark colored lumber.

[Southside]

Of course, just to keep things interesting there is Chestnut Oak.....

[ZAB]

...and Scarlet Oak, that's the one I often mistake for Pin Oak ... both often referred to junk oak on payday. 

[nativewolf]

Pin oak heartwood is often brown, not a nice red like Southern Red Oak or Cherry Bark Oak.  Lots of shake because normally a yard tree, grows in wet areas so bacteria often infect (causing shake), hmm gets confused with scarlet oak but barks are different.  Pin oak bark is smoother than scarlet, Pin oak and Willow oak both have fairly smooth bark.   Scarlet oak bark is going to look more like Southern Red oak or Cherry bark but slightly different and without the long ski trails of Northern Red.  Here is a funny discussion on Pin Oak, some of our forum members commented.

https://wunderwoods.wordpress.com/2017/07/16/why-not-mill-pin-oak/

Scarlet oak is a bit more hit and miss on quality than Southern Red if you ask me but better than Pin or willow.

[timberking]

Hunt for squirrels in the pin oak flats which are really willow and water oak.  Have heard that description my whole life.

[livemusic]

Pin oak is red oak as stated, but a lot of folks call Willow oak, Pin Oak, which is another red oak too. What do the leaves look like?

Down here, pretty much everybody calls willow oak pin oak. Wrong! I don't think we actually have pin oak here but we do have red oak (southern red oak, I assume). There are a bunch of species under "red oak" and same goes for "white oak."

[WDH]

You have southern red oak, nuttall oak (also called Texas Oak), black oak, water oak, willow oak, cherrybark oak, laurel oak, blackjack oak, and a handful of less common more obscure ones. 

[Southside]

and a handful of less common more obscure ones.

gumbo oak, oak cocktail, stuffed oak, creole oak, pineapple oak, lemon oak, pepper oak.....:D  least we forget @doc henderson favorite - Maple oak.   :D

[WDH]

BBQ oak.  Oak hash.  Boiled oak.  Fried oak.  Roasted oak with acorns.  Friccaseed oak.  Oak pies.  Mac and cheese oak. 

[barbender]

In my area of the frozen north, we have northern red oak, northern pin oak, and bur oak. And the pin oak is rare, so things are pretty simple for us up here. I don't know how you guys kee all of those hardwoods straight!

[BargeMonkey]

 Due to elevation here the oak changes if I go 10 miles either way of home. Close to 20yrs cutting wood and last yr was the 1st white oak I had ever cut, go down off the mt and they have "rock oak" which is garbage compared to the red oak we have up here in the higher elevations. 

[Tarm]

In my area of the frozen north, we have northern red oak, northern pin oak, and bur oak. And the pin oak is rare, so things are pretty simple for us up here. I don't know how you guys kee all of those hardwoods straight!

In NE Wisconsin you can add white oak to that list. Northern pin oak is not rare here, there are abundant  stands of it on the sandy outwash soils. The locals call it scrub oak. Makes great firewood and that's about all.

[doc henderson]

sounds like @Southside  needs a little more fiber in his diet.  We are in the north so will pick up some syrup to put on our pin oak next time I eat some!! and of course with a little Ice! :D 8)

[Jeff]

Turkey oak too?

[BradMarks]

Bubba woulda said Fried Oak-ra.