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aigheadish

Bradm, Tom- I hear "Animal Farm" as you guys discuss Marx...
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NE Woodburner

I recently finished Frozen In Time by Mitchell Zuckoff. Good book that alternates between the story of plane crash survivors on the ice cap in Greenland during WW2 and the modern story of a search for one of the WW2 crashed planes under the ice cap to attempt to recover the bodies of the crew.

Bradm

Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2025, 01:39:24 AMHere Dr. Wolff is with his book and at one of many invitations to speak on Marxism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU-AkeOyiOQ
I'll give it a listen tomorrow.

Greenie

Quote from: NE Woodburner on January 31, 2025, 11:41:25 AMI recently finished Frozen In Time by Mitchell Zuckoff. Good book that alternates between the story of plane crash survivors on the ice cap in Greenland during WW2 and the modern story of a search for one of the WW2 crashed planes under the ice cap to attempt to recover the bodies of the crew.
I saw the movie first, liked it and read the book. I just saw it at either Prime or Netflix but it's not at either right now. The book is much better IMO.

Bradm

Quote from: Bradm on January 31, 2025, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2025, 01:39:24 AMHere Dr. Wolff is with his book and at one of many invitations to speak on Marxism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU-AkeOyiOQ
I'll give it a listen tomorrow.
I listened to it this morning and my opinion remains the same.  Without mod permission, I'll refrain from stating my opinions as they are straight up both political and religious and as I said earlier, I don't want this thread ending up in restricted.

aigheadish

On my continued effort to both not get a library card and read free books, I'm now reading Peter And Wendy or Peter Pan... I don't know if I'm missing books in a series or something. It's short but interesting, even if it's another "for kids".
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Must be about time to haul out my copy of Tappen Adney's first person account of the Klondike Goldrush. He's buried about 30 miles from here, he married a Sharpe girl. Her father was an apple tree horticulturalist.
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Quote from: Old Greenhorn on December 29, 2024, 12:01:19 AMOK I just finished "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse. I didn't realize what the book was really about until nearly halfway through. So Bill, if you are going to read this you should know this is a book about Leonard Pelitier who has been serving two consecutive life sentences in federal prisons for the murder of two FBI agents on an Indian Reservation. Sounds cut and dried, it certainly is not. After reading the book as well as doing some other research, I personably believe he was railroaded. But I'll say no more. This book was actually held from publication for about 7 years because of libel suits filed by one of South Dakota's more sleazy governors (accused of rape and disbarred in one case, and convicted of manslaughter in another) and an FBI agent involved in the incident in question. Both lawsuits were dismissed after very expensive and lengthy processes. The author has gone to great lengths to get the point of view of each and every angle, interviewing Agents, Indians, and doing tons of research. Well written is an understatement, he is clear to make his opinions known as just that, his opinions, but he is also clear to cite documented evidence. This is part of the reason the book was a bit of a slog. The same event is retold several times, but through the eyes of different groups of people showing their perspective.
 Because of the long pause between the first publication date and the actual release after the libel suits were done, there was more and pertinent information to add., so the 'afterward' of the book becomes a bit of a plot twist that changed some things in my head. The epilogue about the libel suits was also interesting.
 It appears at this point that Leonard will die in prison based on what I am thinking is a trumped up sham of a trail spearheaded by our own FBI and perpetuated by our Justice system. I have always been ashamed by the way our government has treated our indigenous people, but thought that was largely in the past. Now I see that it is even worse now than it ever was.
 But anybody who reads this an make up their own minds. Bill, if you read it and get all the way through, I'd really like to hear what you think. I did fid that the information was so intense and in some places offensive, that I had to take breaks and go for a walk
I finished it saturday night.

After reading this book, it is going to be really hard to cheer for the cowboys over the indians going forward.

The government,  bureau of Indian affairs, FBI all the cops,  everybody had pretty much carte blanch to go after these people.

Like you mentioned, this is a hard book to read.

Now Leanord Peltiers sentence has been commuted.
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Old Greenhorn

Bill, did your edition of the book include the Epilog and the Afterward? It was the Epilog that really kind of sealed my thoughts on what really happened and in fact added an entire new dimension to the book itself. You are correct, there are certain things I will never view in the same light again, and in fact, it changed my thinking on some issues entirely.
 After a period of 50 years in prison resulting from what most would call a sham trail after seeing the evidence and how the Judge handled the case, his sentence was commuted, but he will spend the remained of his life under House arrest. He is in very poor health and that is not likely to improve. I found it ironic that in so many ways he was given pretty much the same treatment as his ancestors 100 or more years prior. It's a shame to know this can still happen.
 If you haven't read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, you probably should. I can't say you will 'enjoy' it, but you will probably learn a lot as I did.
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I am still plugging along as fast as I can on "Alexander Hamilton", only 200 pages to go! ffcheesy I am finding this fascinating to learn in great detail the infighting of our founding fathers from before the Revelation kicked off in earnest until well into the 1800's. Holy cow, there is a lot of childish back biting, infighting, back door chicanery, fabrications, lies, rumor mongering, name calling, and the thing that got me most of all were what could only be called acts of treason (but they didn't get caught, so it doesn't count, right?). When you have a Vice President sub-verting what the President has decided on a regular basis, that is some pretty eye opening stuff for me. These people we teach school children to revere had some serious character flaws. The only one who (so far) has come out clean is Washington.
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My next book, 'John Hancock, Merchant King and American Patriot' just showed up in today's mail. JH doesn't get mentioned much in the Hamilton book, so let's see how he turns out. I have higher hopes for him since he is my cousin, I hope he is a good guy. I may read a book first called 'Tools of the Trade' that showed up on my desk last week quite mysteriously. Doc had mentioned it and it does look like a more relaxing read.
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Raider Bill

Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 03, 2025, 06:07:50 PMBill, did your edition of the book include the Epilog and the Afterward? It was the Epilog that really kind of sealed my thoughts on what really happened and in fact added an entire new dimension to the book itself. You are correct, there are certain things I will never view in the same light again, and in fact, it changed my thinking on some issues entirely.
 After a period of 50 years in prison resulting from what most would call a sham trail after seeing the evidence and how the Judge handled the case, his sentence was commuted, but he will spend the remained of his life under House arrest. He is in very poor health and that is not likely to improve. I found it ironic that in so many ways he was given pretty much the same treatment as his ancestors 100 or more years prior. It's a shame to know this can still happen.
 If you haven't read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, you probably should. I can't say you will 'enjoy' it, but you will probably learn a lot as I did.

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I am still plugging along as fast as I can on "Alexander Hamilton", only 200 pages to go! ffcheesy I am finding this fascinating to learn in great detail the infighting of our founding fathers from before the Revelation kicked off in earnest until well into the 1800's. Holy cow, there is a lot of childish back biting, infighting, back door chicanery, fabrications, lies, rumor mongering, name calling, and the thing that got me most of all were what could only be called acts of treason (but they didn't get caught, so it doesn't count, right?). When you have a Vice President sub-verting what the President has decided on a regular basis, that is some pretty eye opening stuff for me. These people we teach school children to revere had some serious character flaws. The only one who (so far) has come out clean is Washington.
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My next book, 'John Hancock, Merchant King and American Patriot' just showed up in today's mail. JH doesn't get mentioned much in the Hamilton book, so let's see how he turns out. I have higher hopes for him since he is my cousin, I hope he is a good guy. I may read a book first called 'Tools of the Trade' that showed up on my desk last week quite mysteriously. Doc had mentioned it and it does look like a more relaxing read.
Yes the Kindle version generally has everything the book does.
I read Bury My heart many years ago. 
I just put it on the Kindle and in rotation to reread.
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My advice on aging gracefully... ride fast bikes and date faster women, drink good tequila, practice your draw daily, be honest and fair in your dealings, but suffer not fools. Eat a hearty breakfast, and remember, ALL politicians are crooks.

Old Greenhorn

Well, last night I finished the Hamilton book. As hoped it had a great deal of detail surrounding what caused the fatal duel and what happened afterward. I was pretty familiar with how Burr came out of the whole thing, I was not as familiar with the precise causes, which turned out to be really stupid, The additional detail provided with respect to how Hamilton's widow got on after his death was mostly new to me because what I knew prior was written before 1930. All in all an excellent and definitive book. This one will go on my genealogical research bookshelf because it mentions several of my cousins ancestors in passing through the course of the book and gives new light to their level of involvement. It also covers a lot of NYS history from a government and political point of view which in many cases is 'local history' for me. Great read all around.
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The Hancock book I just got seems to be written on a more pedestrian level, but we will see how it goes. at least it's only 300 pages or so. I may intersperse that with the 'tools' book to break things up. We do have lousy weather coming in tomorrow, so maybe load up the indoor wood pile and spend it reading. :wink_2:
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Always a reader of history books.  Right now its "A Great Improvisation" by Stacy Shiff, a Pulitzer Prize Winning author.  Its about Ben Franklin and his time in France, getting the French to jump into the American Revolution.

Next up is "Accidental Presidents".  All about 8 men who suddenly found themselves to be President.

And a really fun book, "There's Treasure Inside" by Jon Collins-Black.  A bitcoin millionaire who has created a $2 million treasure hunt by hiding five boxes across the US filled with gems, coins, rare pieces and writing a huge puzzle book with the clues to find them.  Inspired by the Forest Fenn treasure hunt.
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Rustic- those sound interesting!
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I'm re-reading a book that gave me nightmares as a kid.  "Man-eaters of Kumaon" by Jim Corbett.  It's the real life tales of a man-eating tiger hunter, in India, back in the early 1900's.  It still gives me the creeps about how cunning tigers are, especially when hunting humans!
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Old Greenhorn

Rustic, that one on Franklin sounds like an interesting read. I always found him a bit of a conundrum; scientist, editor, writer, womanizer, intellectual, and a bunch of other stuff.  I have never read specifically about him, but obvious he shows up peripherally in most if not all the other reading I have done in and around the revolutionary era. When I run out of stuff I think I have to read, I'd really like to pick some fun ones and he in on my list. Fascinating funding father, but I am still confused as to how he fit in. I did see an interesting aside int eh book I just finished where (one of?) his legitimate son had been arrested as a Tory spy and wound up in jail, but was not hung. He did spent the rest of his life in exile in England and was not very pleased about it.
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Which brings me to bragging about the fact that I finished the John Hancock biography I mentioned a few posts back. Bragging that I in fact finished it is all I can do. I did not find it to be a very good book. It is a bit over 300 pages but it was a 2 day read, as opposed to the previous Hamilton book which was a tome of well over 700 pages of small print with small margins that took me over a week. The detail in that book was impeccable. The detail in this Hancock book was, um, less than impeccable. I have a hard time when I can identify sloppy work and when I see dates that are not quite right, ages that are off by a year or so, and other small things, it makes me wonder about the accuracy of other bigger things. Now that I have finished reading it, I will spend an hour or two checking on the accuracy of some of the more major things in the book that did not 'feel right'. This is annoying. Because Mr. Hancock was my cousin, I will include the book on my shelf for the family, BUT I will continue to search for a better one that has more detail and is more accurate. The killer is that this one is not an old book, this was published in 2000.

 If anybody knows of a well researched and written biography of John Hancock, please pass that along.
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arojay

Quote from: SwampDonkey on February 03, 2025, 10:34:57 AMMust be about time to haul out my copy of Tappen Adney's first person account of the Klondike Goldrush. He's buried about 30 miles from here, he married a Sharpe girl. Her father was an apple tree horticulturalist.
That's a great book.  I've read mine several times.
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arojay

Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2025, 07:13:43 AM
I finished reading this one last evening.  It is an autobiography by a very interesting man and details his struggles and successes during his lifetime. 
There are some segments of a LeTourneau land train at the Transportation Museum in Whitehorse.  I'll get a pic next time I'm by there.  There is a story about one of them being used by a DEW line contractor to haul components from Alaska to the Yukon coast.  The beast broke down, electrical fire if I recall correctly, and was left for some time at the head of a creek in the Tatonduc drainage.  Trappers and prospectors named it Monster Creek.   Eventually the machine was repaired and recovered.  LeTourneau also made construction equipment as well as those huge log loaders that you may have seen.
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arojay

I should have said log stacker not log loader.
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Old Greenhorn

Well I did in fact spend an hour or so fact checking some things in that Hancock book last night and found nothing glaring except those date errors which still annoy me. I was also annoyed by the author offering his analysis of Hamilton's motives and thinking processes to justify what the author thought was really happening. I had always thought that was the readers job, not the writers. We have enough people today trying to tell us how we should interpret things, I don't need that in a biography. For that reason, I am giving it a 'not recommended' rating.
 But, I did find another very recent biography of Hancock just published last year and ordered it. It had good reviews (but so did the last one). Let's face it, nobody prints bad reviews anyway, right? But I note the credentials of the author and where his reviews came from and have high hopes. I think it might get here Monday.
 In the meantime I am reading "Tools of the Trade" gifted to me by a dear and thoughtful friend. He thought I would enjoy it, and his guess is spot on. A short book of less that 200 pages, but rather than whisk through it, this one I am savoring and dragging out. I read a chapter at a time, the n put it down and let it sink in for a little while. The writer has a pleasant 'tradesman' sense of humor, clearly knows his material and audience and does not share everything he knows but does lead the knowledgeable reader to nod his/her head in understanding of the unspoken. I just finished the chapter on 'ladders' and wish we could reprint it here.  Yeah, this is one I will keep on the shelf for sure. A fine gift from a fine friend. :wink_2:
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Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way.  NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

Old Greenhorn

I just blew a long post away. Hit the wrong key. dang. 
Start over, but not as detailed. Looking through my bookshelves and doing some figuring I found that I have over a thousand volumes on hand, most all of which I have read except those that came from my Pop's library. I am looking for a read  to fill in a let me draw out the current read. I am also trying to find space for more books. I think I have to pare down my library. 
 Back in the 90's I was scouring used book stores and library sales for reference books that I needed and I got a LOT of them. A few I just bought and mined out the specific information I needed, then they went on the shelf never having been fully read. In some cases I was just looking for confirmation of one fact or quote or date. I just identified a couple of them and will likely read them before the winter is out. All were written in the late 40's. One is called "Thomas Paine, author of the Declaration of independence". This is news to me, so I will be interested to read the author's pint of view.  I wonder if it will be like the book I just finished on John Hancock wherein in the author decided that since Hamilton was selected as president of the first continental congress meeting, he was therefore the first president of the united sates, which is a lot like the fact bending our current president like to employ. Anyway, it should be interesting.
 I also found, in my Pop's library David McCullough's book on John Adams so that will be on the short list after this next Hancock book. Always wanted to read that one, can't believe I haven't yet.
 Maybe instead of buying books, I should try to read the ones I have here first? ffcheesy But the folks here have such good suggestions, they are hard to ignore. So many books, so little time.
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Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way.  NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

beenthere

Likely had the draft saved and the post was not lost. A nice feature from Jeff and his crew. 
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Old Greenhorn

Nope, no draft. That only works automatically if you use 'quick reply'. I use the reply button for my posts and you have to physically hit the 'save draft' button to use that.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way.  NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

Old Greenhorn

Well I just finished "Tools of the Trade" by Jeff Taylor. Just like Doc, I really liked the book a lot. His writing style and humor fit in with tradesmen type folks. I tried to stretch it out to make the enjoyment last longer, but the writing was too good. The chapters each center around a particular hand tool but he also throws in the human element and I share his view of these important manual tools, some of which are rarely used today like the Yankee drill, of which I too have a few. The chapters are fairly short, but he packs a lot in.
 A very enjoyable book for the many carpenter/woodworker/ framer type folks here. I have little doubt you too would enjoy it also.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way.  NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

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