The trusses for the mill showed up this morning. It wont be long before I start to drill some holes 8)
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My goodness man where do you find time to farm let alone sleep ? You're busier than a cat covering three sand boxes or a one legged man in a azz kicking contest . :D
Looks like 36'x ? Am I close Lyle?
John
I would call that 'starting at the top and coming down'. ::)
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Quote from: John_Haylow on August 17, 2012, 12:29:21 PM
Looks like 36'x ? Am I close Lyle?
John
You are very close, they are 40 foot trusses. The first stage of the shed will be 40x40 with a 16 foot ceiling. Im hoping to have it closed in before the snow flies
Good for you..keep us posted.
John
This is gonna be nice. Looks :o like you spell big with a capital "B". smiley_thumbsup
Up north thats a shed, where I live its called a costco, my god thats gigantic . Really looking forward to seeing this put up.
Kimball
What is the green log deck we see in the background Lyle?
John
And it has begun.
I started to build th poles this mornin for the sawmill shed. I bought treated 6x6 for the bottom and used me own lumber for the top. I run the 6x6s threw the mill about 3 feet so I have a nice edge to laminate to
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Lyle,
I put up my millshed last year and suggest you carefully lay out doors to provide access for loading and removal but also to beneficially control airflow. I put an overhead on my west side (where the breeze usually comes from) and a 16' rollup window out of dairy barn fabric on the east and I don't eat dust when I saw.
Also the millshed warms up 10-15 degrees warmer than the main barn due to the solar gain IF the doors are all closed up. Nice in the cooler seasons.
Hope you get the most out of your millshed like I did. 8)
It's funny how we learn the hard way. I built my sawmill shed before I bought the mill and learned very quickly I had built a wind tunnel. I had built the shed so that the wind was always blowing at me when i was sawing and covering me with sawdust. I have since built a new shed and now I use the old one for lumber storage.
Sawdust Lover,welcome to the forum. What have you got for a mill? Been sawing long? Sounds like you sell lumber?
Dave and I got all the holes marked out for the shed yesterday. Maybe this afternoon we might get some holes drilled. It was a little difficult to mark things out with the mill in the way but I think we got things squared up????
You will find out if it's square when you start building. :D
got some holes drilled this afternoon 8)
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And we won't be surprised to see the roofing go on tomorrow.... ;D
No grass grows under your feet, that is for sure. Nice work.
now that i like,treated for in the ground and your cant's on up ,this is my kinda thinking.great planning on your part lyle
The frost must be out of the ground by now ey Ha ha Nice start Lazerdan
Lyle, I'm jealous.
My pitiful shed which is really just a pavilion type structure, is 12x26, open on all 4 sides and cold in the winter the few times I saw then.
Dave and I got the poles all lined up this mornin. We made use of the old kenworth I bought the other day, makes good solid scaffolding
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That shed is gonna be sweet and massive! Nice job and keep the pics coming.
Dave and I are movin forward, I mean UP!
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Do you eat? Sleep? Bathe? ??? or just work? :D
Do you have other plans for that Kenworth other than scaffolding?
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Do you eat? Sleep? Bathe? ??? or just work? :D
Do you have other plans for that Kenworth other than scaffolding?
Well he eats and sleeps!!!! :D :D :D
I haven't seen a cab over KW in years, one of the first semi's I learned to drive on.
Really enjoying your build. :)
Almost ready for the roof. Dave and I worked most of the day tieing in the top portion of the building. In the next coupl of days I will clear a spot next to the mill and prefab the whole roof on the ground, tin and all then get a picker to come and lift it into position, That will save a whole bunch of up and down work.
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Quote from: Norm on August 30, 2012, 07:56:49 AM
I haven't seen a cab over KW in years, one of the first semi's I learned to drive on.
Really enjoying your build. :)
Just bought the ol KW a couple of days ago for 500 bucks, it has two brand new front tires on it and had about 300 bucks worth of fuel in it. I dont think I lost on that deal..lol I drove it home about 20 miles and she run like a dream!
i see that yall use the same type safety glasses that i do while chainsawing.
very comfortable, just not very functional. ;D
Quote from: ely on August 31, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
i see that yall use the same type safety glasses that i do while chainsawing.
very comfortable, just not very functional. ;D
They had just fallen before the picture was taken...lol Its a real good idea to wear them for sure!!!
Gday
Looking bloody good smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup Now you cant get an Ole KW125 for anything less than about $10k and a goodun from the 70s to mid 80s will still set you back from $18 to $35k here and they aint show trucks either But there are still alot of them on the road you cant kill them unless you run em of the side of the road at 60mph our familys had 3 of them over the years and soon to be a 4th ;) ;D 8) 8) whats your plans for it ??? and also who is drawing the short straw for stacking out in the weather during winter Mate ???
Regards Chris
I like your laminated posts. How did you join them? screws? bolts? nails?
Bob
Quote from: kelLOGg on August 31, 2012, 11:23:13 PM
I like your laminated posts. How did you join them? screws? bolts? nails?
Bob
I used a air nailer that has ring nails in it, seems to hold pretty good. When Im making beams I would use glue and nails
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Gday
Looking bloody good smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup Now you cant get an Ole KW125 for anything less than about $10k and a goodun from the 70s to mid 80s will still set you back from $18 to $35k here and they aint show trucks either But there are still alot of them on the road you cant kill them unless you run em of the side of the road at 60mph our familys had 3 of them over the years and soon to be a 4th ;) ;D 8) 8) whats your plans for it ??? and also who is drawing the short straw for stacking out in the weather during winter Mate ???
Regards Chris
The ol KW come in pretty hand so far as scaffold. I will be combining oats soon so it might be used as a grainery for a while. I can probably get 1200 bushel in the old beast...lol
Dave and I started to assemble the trusses this morning, we would of had it all strapped but the skies opened up on us.
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And its still to wet, nice to have a day of rest :)
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prefab the whole roof on the ground, tin and all then get a picker to come and lift it into position,
Hmmmm. That sounds very interesting. I'd like to see a video of that!!
UN
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prefab the whole roof on the ground, tin and all then get a picker to come and lift it into position,
Hmmmm. That sounds very interesting. I'd like to see a video of that!!
UN
I will do the best I can to take pics and vids fur ya when the time comes
if you search youtube for videos of houses build in one day(mostly by habitat for humanity) a lot of those build the roof on the ground and then lift it into place, but when i went through i couldn't find one that had much detail, just a quick time lapse where its just a frame or 2 and then its attached. but i have seen it in person before, they just had a little extra bracing and a big crain...
But were those houses 40'X40'? That's a lot of wiggly sticks to lift at once.
UN
I have to shut down the sawmill project for a bit, I have to start to get my crop off very soon. So much to do and so little time >:(
I know how you feel Lyle It feels like you need two of you mosta the time Mate :) :) :( still gotta try though ;) :D ;D 8)
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I know how you feel Lyle It feels like you need two of you mosta the time Mate :) :) :( still gotta try though ;) :D ;D 8)
dont think the world needs another crazy guy like me...lol
Hi people, It seems like I have been doing a whole bunch of nothing lately. I was supposed to be combining now but the dang rain come and put a hold on that stuff. I did start to strap the roof for the mill, its a little difficult doing by yourself but Im slowly moving forward
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That pic somehow just doesn't smack of you moving slow. 8)
There is a lot of work tied up in that structure and glad to see it coming along so well.
Anxious to see the "hanging" maybe soon.
Good luck with the crops.
Quote from: beenthere on September 12, 2012, 08:06:06 PM
That pic somehow just doesn't smack of you moving slow. 8)
There is a lot of work tied up in that structure and glad to see it coming along so well.
Anxious to see the "hanging" maybe soon.
Good luck with the crops.
Maybe hanging the end of next week, depends on the farming
Bump,wonder how your doing?albert
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Bump,wonder how your doing?albert
Been busy combining, should be back n the mill soon. Possibly next week I will have the roof up
How goes the Harvest??
DGDrls
don't know how things are going in Lyle's area, but Fort McMurray area got torrential rains first week of September. Probably still hasn't dried out.
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How goes the Harvest??
DGDrls
Harvest is going good, no major break downs. I dont have a real good crop but thats OK cause I dont have enough storage space anyways..lol ya gots to look at the bright side..lol
The roof is going together VERY slowly, I got the facia boards on today and now its starting to look like a roof
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Looks great, but don't drop your hammer in there. ;D
That's one good lookin' millshed project. I'd like to have one of those when I grow up!! Instead, I'll settle for one that I mill the poles, beams, and lathes for with my WM-Lt-10 out of some post oak and put some used sheetmetal on it. It will be 12'x24' (ten foot wall height) with only the roof and North walls covered. I need all the breeze I can get.
I need some help making a decision.
After I get the roof on I will have to cover the walls with something.
I could use colored tin which is fast and easy and no maintenance but would cost a pretty penny to do.
I could cut my own boards and put them on and give it that rustic look, that would be cheaper but very labour intensive and the resale value might not be the same if I ever go to sell?????
Its still to wet and muddy outside to work on the roof so Im just trying to make some plans.
Any ideas are welcome... thanx in advance...Lyle
Lyle, what about cement impregnated fiber boards, and rendering over it? I bet there isn't much rendered buildings where you live. Well, tho, i haven't thought of the costs of thoses materials where you live too.
Lyle, thats a tough one, I know what your saying about sawing some type of siding which would compliament the saw shed & look fitting, . I hear ya about tin , colored & maintenace free, But the $ play apart for sure! I guess what I'm saying is I would look @ my log pile, then reach in my pocket ??? & then decide! I know this is not much help, but its a tough call both would look nice!!!... Have fun & play safe...
Dave
Just a word to the wise. As one who has installed quite a bit of the cement fiber siding. It's heavy and very difficult to work with. Attachment nails are not supposed to break the surface, something that's almost impossible to do. If you do break they surface, they specify that it must be caulked. I personally will never use any again.
I have no idea how many out buildings you have. But too many can be a turn off to others who don't want them or someone may want them but can not afford to buy the house and the out buildings too at that time. I myself don't worry about the resale of my place. I hope that someone else will have to worry about that. I would and do use wood siding on all my buildings. I have the trees on my land but steel roofing does not grow on my land. :D
A damaged piece of wood siding is easy to replace, especially when you've got a sawmill. With all the heavy equipment that will be running around the shed, sooner or later something will hit the siding.
Take a look at the barn project TWelsh completed early this summer. Red oak siding finished in oil. It looks about 10 million times better than tin.
My opinion ,
there are a lot of old buildings over a hundered years and counting . They have wood siding . It takes a little labor ,b ut with latex paint the scraping is gone . Latex wears away so you just wash and paint . Tin is about done in after 50/75 years . Wood is easier to work with. makes less noise when you cut it with power saws.
I also like brick.
I like the look of used tin and the price is always with in my range. I've torn down some good size ones (barns) for the material and reuse it on all my out buildings. Wash it down, spray Ospho on it and paint the ones the boss likes to look at. And it goes up fast on the same stringers you would brace the post with anyway.
Lyle mayby tin on the roof but board and batton belongs on the side,it should look like a sawmill.You can leave it natural or spray on some stain. Frank C.
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Lyle mayby tin on the roof but board and batton belongs on the side,it should look like a sawmill.You can leave it natural or spray on some stain. Frank C.
My planer is equiped to do drop siding, but that dang ol man winter is just around the corner and poundin nails in the winter is not my favourite things to do....BBBBRRRRR
Nail gun for you Lyle. 8)
Put the nail keg on top of the wood stove and warm em up . then you can nail up siding without gloves ;D
One thing worse than pounding nails into wood in the winter is putting up sheet metal in the winter. And I know how the wind blows in the winter in Alberta :o whiteflag_smiley And a sawmill shed with metal siding just seems wrong :-\
Nick
I had got some tin installed on the roof today, boy that is hard on the back of the legs. Wont be long now before the roof gets lifted into position 8)
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That is looking great, Lyle. You sure do good work at whatever it is you're doing.
Looks good Lyle. Can't wait to see the lift. Nice old Case in the back ground. Can't beat them for power.
Looks great lyle, without a dought I would put wood siding on it. I built mine last year and I used all my junk logs to make 1x8" siding boards. Painted them with Cabot solid surface stain and it looks great. Its a good feeling knowing your putting up free siding. After spending all that $$ on that roof your probably looking for some relief. Check out my building in my gallery.
Gday
Looking Good Mate ;) I have only seen one complete lift on roof done in my life so Im looking forward to seeing my second ;) ;D ;D
Regards Chris
Looking good Lyle.
John
Well Lyle,this lift will be the first for me-take lots of pic or even vid-good luck,albert
QuoteWell Lyle,this lift will be the first for me-take lots of pic or even vid-good luck,albert
Same here. I used to frame houses for living so putting up trusses with a crane is not a new experience for me. Putting up an entire roof? I really want to see how you brace it all together and where the lifting points are. Trusses alone are heavy. Trusses with the sheet metal and bracing attached? That is a whole new ballgame.
The roof is almost ready for the lift, Im doing as much as I can while its on the ground, soffit facia and sheeting. Im hoping next week the roof will be spotted
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Nice work Lyle!!
You calling in a crane to hoist that??
DGDrls
Quote from: dgdrls on October 10, 2012, 06:57:09 AM
Nice work Lyle!!
You calling in a crane to hoist that??
DGDrls
Yep, A big picker truck. Before I started I had the company come out and have a look at things
Great project! You must have to lift that roof on a calm day (no wind).
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Great project! You must have to lift that roof on a calm day (no wind).
yep, no wind would be nice thats for sure
Lyle, please make a video.
I'm roofer/carpenter. I've seen huge bits of TF going up. But a whole roof, that would be a first. Well, seen it on youtube. May be, i can't remember.
Roof update.
Im gonna be a little behind, we had a good dump of snow yesterday and things are a real mess now. Of coarse I left all my tools just laying on the ground. Some times I think I need a good kick in the ask!!!
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Roof update.
Im gonna be a little behind, we had a good dump of snow yesterday and things are a real mess now. Of coarse I left all my tools just laying on the ground. Some times I think I need a good kick in the ask!!!
Good to know we come from the same species. :D
I thought I was doing pretty good with my labour/time saving schemes... looks like I have to rethink for the next one. :)
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My little beastie folded for the evening. Can't lower the arm, there's electric and telephone cables everywhere.
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300sqft of T&G yesterday, about 400 today!
Then after it's criss cross rafters with a bit more than a foot of wood wool insulation.
doing things on the ground looks much easier..lol
PS Im trying to finish my gable ends and put up soffit and facia. Its dang cold out there! I have to come in and sit by the fire alot of times...BBBBRRRRRR
Lyle, i must have a mixture of monkey and crow genes, as i love heights. Well, i have a comfort zone. I won't stand easily at the edge of a 300ft cliff But 40' 50' up ney bother! :D And what i'm doing can't be done one the ground. The other side was steeper, and higher off the ground! It was bothering me, as i had to use the harness and rope of some of the work.
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Lyle, i must have a mixture of monkey and crow genes, as i love heights. Well, i have a comfort zone. I won't stand easily at the edge of a 300ft cliff But 40' 50' up ney bother! :D And what i'm doing can't be done one the ground. The other side was steeper, and higher off the ground! It was bothering me, as i had to use the harness and rope of some of the work.
I never did like hieghts, its not the fall that Im worried about, its the sudden stop that gets me nervious..lol
Early winter might be setting in. This is gonna slow things down a bit
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Yep that's why I live down here. What's the time frame for the lift?
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Yep that's why I live down here. What's the time frame for the lift?
Im thinking next week sometime??? The roof is pretty much ready I just have to line up the picker truck and try to get some extra bodies to give me some help. All this snow should be gone by next week I hope????
Snow in October. Quite ridiculous. I grew up in southern Michigan and I remember that was always cold by the end of October. It's been a long time so I may have forgotten, but I don't remember seeing snow in October...ever! Glad I line in Alabama! I feel sorry for you Lyle!
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Snow in October. Quite ridiculous. I grew up in southern Michigan and I remember that was always cold by the end of October. It's been a long time so I may have forgotten, but I don't remember seeing snow in October...ever! Glad I line in Alabama! I feel sorry for you Lyle!
Haha, you better stay away from Western Montana then, I have seen snow in every month of year here. But then again, it is Montana and we are at about 5800 feet here so always be prepared for snow ;)
I'll keep that in mind when chaos sets in. Sounds like the place to go if you don't want to be bothered. Nobody else will want to live there!
Well now its raining! dont know which is worse, snow and cold or rain and mud! Oh well, I will just keep on going...lol
Thats the spirit Lyle! 8)
I started to add some studs to the structure, as you can see there is a lttle mud to deal with :D
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Great thread, lyle! I enjoy watching your building progress. :)
lyle...you are a determined fellow. ;)
Now I remember! Thats why I left Vermont and moved to Virginia.
Lyle,
That just brings up bad memorys. Moved down here from 35 miles east of Buffalo NY 11 miles south of lake ontario almost 25 years ago. When I was a kid it was great, but then I had to start working in it. No more for me thank you. Even though this was a brutal hot summer I like it better. Love your post, hope you get your roof up soon.
Tim
lyle neimi , Nice looking building you are putting together. I like very much looking at what other people are doing with their mills. Gives me more to think about while my sholder is healing. Thanks for sharing...
The big picker truck might come today to do the roof lift, not sure but I will keep ya posted 8)
I'll be interested to see just how and where they attach to the roof section to lift it.
Sure hope it holds together while getting it in position and set down on the posts.
Suspect that you have those angles all figured out and built into the plan.
Will have to have a spreader bar of some kind I'm thinking. And I to am curious of the attechment points. Any estimate on the weight?
THE ROOF IS UP!!! I will post some pics a little later, I got to secure it down a little more cause the wind is getting a little stronger out thar!
Wind is blowing some here too. Glad it worked out for you.
I can hear large groups of members chanting... Pictures, Pictures, Pictures... from here!
Ok, well at least there is one smiley_policeman patiently waiting :)
-lee
OK, Here is the pics!
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smiley_fireman_hat......YAWN......OH........where's the pictures?........Stretch......Yawn........
There they are! :)
That is impressive, to say the least. Thanks for the pics, and well done.
Mill with an instant (almost) cover. The outlook for the late fall and early spring must indeed look a whole lot brighter.
8) 8)
Eureka!!! What an undertaking. Congratulations Lyle!
-lee
Holy grits. That is some impressive. Thumbs up back at ya.
Seriously Lyle, I've been involved in some pretty crazy feats however this one takes the cake. I bow to you my friend! whiteflag_smiley
-lee
Lyle, you are da MAN!!! Outstanding!
The worst thing that happened today was that when we got the roof up tp 16 feet, the wind started to just blow, it was getting a little scary there for a while but we got er done. Ya see, I aint just another pretty face..lol
nice job Lyle. 8)
is it held down with angle iron and lag screws?
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nice job Lyle. 8)
is it held down with angle iron and lag screws?
screws and nails
WOW Nicely done... 8)
Looks great Lyle! Hopefully you won't have to shovel snow off that roof, it's pretty high up there.
OK, now that I have the roof on, I have to sheet in the walls, its got to much ventilation for my liking. I have pretty much blown my budget for tin or plywood. HMMM, I think I will take a walk to the bone yard and see what I can come up with?????
Truely amazing! Enjoyed seeing all the progress
Been watching this post and as a builder was a little skeptical of the outcome with lifting the whole roof but looks like it turned out very nice congrats on the project you may have just changed my approach on some projects thanks for all the pics awesome job !!
Lyle, Thanks for sharing your progress. I have enjoyed seeing
the pictures. Keep us posted on what you dig up in the bone yard for the siding.
Quote from: valley on October 16, 2012, 10:59:03 PM
Been watching this post and as a builder was a little skeptical of the outcome with lifting the whole roof but looks like it turned out very nice congrats on the project you may have just changed my approach on some projects thanks for all the pics awesome job !!
Just so you know, that roof wieghed 10000 lbs and we had it spotted within an hour. It would of been sooner but we had to fight the wind.
Way to go Lyle. Great post.
Thats pretty awsome.
Thanx for all the good replies fellas, I do have some videos of the roof raisin but I have to wait for dave 9252 to get back home so he can put it on UTUBE. I aint no how ta do dat..lol
The dang wind blew all night and is still blowing hard out thar, the shed is still standin.. thank goodness
Too Easy Lyle ;) ;D ;D ;D smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup Im thinkin Sawmill + Logs = Board n Batton for the siding ;)
Are you going to add a little Skillion roof over the outfeed Mate ??? Stackers and helpers tend to get grumpy working out in the weather :) Sawyers do too for that matter and they are the ones to watch ;) :D :D :) :) ;D
Regards Chris
Quote from: Meadows Miller on October 17, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Too Easy Lyle ;) ;D ;D ;D smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup Im thinkin Sawmill + Logs = Board n Batton for the siding ;)
Are you going to add a little Skillion roof over the outfeed Mate ??? Stackers and helpers tend to get grumpy working out in the weather :) Sawyers do too for that matter and they are the ones to watch ;) :D :D :) :) ;D
Regards Chris
Hi Chris, I will be putting another building up for the tail end of the mill, The will be phase 2 but it wont happen until next summer if things go good
Well I won't come tailout for you till then Mate ;) :D :D ;D ;D
heres a question do you use strap bracing overthere in your roof systems we use it dang near everywhere walls roof you harly see timber bracing apart from ply or osb used on the walls nowa days :) when I was in Trade School we where the last ones to ever do a house the traditional way with Green Rough sawn O.B (Off Bench) Hardwood its all prefab now :) ??? ::)
Regards Chris
Quote from: Meadows Miller on October 18, 2012, 08:36:18 AM
Well I won't come tailout for you till then Mate ;) :D :D ;D ;D
heres a question do you use strap bracing overthere in your roof systems we use it dang near everywhere walls roof you harly see timber bracing apart from ply or osb used on the walls nowa days :) when I was in Trade School we where the last ones to ever do a house the traditional way with Green Rough sawn O.B (Off Bench) Hardwood its all prefab now :) ??? ::)
Regards Chris
Not sure what you mean about strap bracing Chris, its early in the morning here and I only had two pots of coffee so far, me mind aint workin yet..lol
I know what its like im a night person im up all bloody hrs thinkin of whats going on but in the mornins it takes alota coffee and a couple of smokes to have the ole noggin in gear again Mate ;) :D ;D
Steel strap bracing 38mm or 1.5" wide by 1.5mm or 1/16th thick with alot of smaal and largeholes in it to put nails/clouts in the small holes at each end to the frame or timber with it hand tight then you get these neat little tensioners to put in a big hole to tighten it all up with Mate ;)
Quote from: Meadows Miller on October 18, 2012, 08:57:20 AM
I know what its like im a night person im up all bloody hrs thinkin of whats going on but in the mornins it takes alota coffee and a couple of smokes to have the ole noggin in gear again Mate ;) :D ;D
Steel strap bracing 38mm or 1.5" wide by 1.5mm or 1/16th thick with alot of smaal and largeholes in it to put nails/clouts in the small holes at each end to the frame or timber with it hand tight then you get these neat little tensioners to put in a big hole to tighten it all up with Mate ;)
They could be used here but Im not familiar with them, Im not a carpenter. I will be useing some brackets called hurricane straps to fasten the trusses to the building, they are just nailed or screwed on
Chris, I used to frame houses for a living. Nowadays walls are braced together using OSB or plywood. Bottom plates are anchored to the concrete using expanding fasteners or J-bolts. The roof is attached to the walls using hurricane straps (we called them tornado straps in Wisconsin and Minnesota for obvious reasons).
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?keyword=hurricane+straps&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
Rafters simply get simple lateral bracing (like Lyle did) unless the engineering report that comes with the truss bundle says otherwise (usually on hip roofs and dormers).
Timber framing is different and can use some different fasteners, but I'm not familiar with them.
A trip to the bone yard and I come across this heavy, heavy plastic, it was already cut perfectly to cover the one wall
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Yeah J.R we have the cyclone ties (hurricane ties) too another thing some of them get called is tripple grips depending on the style ;)
with the Log Homes & Heavy Timber Framing we either use a Long Log Hog Screw or Long threaded rod or Gal Plates & Angle and Coach screws depending on the job we sill do bents and frames using draw pin construction with either a hardwood or gal pin too Mate ;)
Lyle that'll keep the sawdust outa your face Mate ;) ;D
Good Job Lyle! going to be a nice building when your done :)
Dave
I got more poly on the sides of the mill today, it should help keepp that nasty cold wind out. I also put the TD18A in the shop and I think I might use that to run the mill, Im thinkin it might have enough ponies to do the job. It was only 28F out there but it felt like it was minus 40 BRRRRRRR!
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Lyle, that poly tarp flapping against the battens gonna drive you mad! At least it's what it does to me on a roof.
Quote from: Satamax on October 21, 2012, 01:14:03 AM
Lyle, that poly tarp flapping against the battens gonna drive you mad! At least it's what it does to me on a roof.
Yep, I know, Iknow but that dang wind will drive me more madder..lol Im hoping its just short term?????
Make radio play louder, :) It worked well in the old truck to drown out the road noise. ;D
Lyle,your mill building is very high and a wind tunnel are you planning to close up some of the sides.The classic new england saw shack is a low roofed building open where you roll the logs in and at the offbearers end.It would help greatly if you can utilise the warm breeze off the dozers fan. Frank C.
Quote from: bandmiller2 on October 21, 2012, 07:51:27 AM
Lyle,your mill building is very high and a wind tunnel are you planning to close up some of the sides.The classic new england saw shack is a low roofed building open where you roll the logs in and at the offbearers end.It would help greatly if you can utilise the warm breeze off the dozers fan. Frank C.
Evenutually everything will be closed up tight, I know I did not need the building so high but Im always thinking about resale if I have to shut er down for any reason. If or when I sell the shed could be used as a truck shop or farm equipment shop. It doesnt really cost a whole bunch more to go a little higher with the building.
Or another floor. It's good you have the equipment to get you up that high. I'd be climbing a ladder.
I had a change of plans for the motor for the mill. I think Im going to use this TD18A. I was thinking about getting it back together and useing it as a dozer again but got to thinkin I dont have the time to do that anyways. I started to look at the parts for it and noticed that alot of the clutch parts were missing. What Im going to do is adapt a pulley right on the flywheel and go up with it and over to the husk, that way I will have an over head shaft to the husk. I think it would be nice to walk to the tail end of the mill without walking around the motor all the time. Its might be overkill for power but I might aswell make use of the ol beast
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Don't know much about your power plant, but it should have plenty to run a mill.
Better to have a little more hp than you need rather than not enough!
Nice tractor Lyle! It should be around 100 hp I think. I helped my Dad in-frame one several years ago. The one we worked on had a pony start gas engine. Once it was up and running that thing was a real powerhouse! Are you going to remove the engine from the frame or 'park' the tractor in front of your mill?
-lee
Just getting caught up on your project, very nice work! A while back a neighbor had an old hog finishing shed that was no longer in use, can't remember for sure but it was something like 60'x120'. Anyway we raised it 18' off the stem walls with 10 telehandlers and a LOT of people, it only took about an hour and a half to raise it and we had it completely studded and wrapped in about 12, it was a pretty anxious 12 hours though ;). I told them to send me some pictures of the project to show you folks but never got them, I'll ask again.
Quote from: SPD748 on October 23, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Nice tractor Lyle! It should be around 100 hp I think. I helped my Dad in-frame one several years ago. The one we worked on had a pony start gas engine. Once it was up and running that thing was a real powerhouse! Are you going to remove the engine from the frame or 'park' the tractor in front of your mill?
-lee
when I first got it this spring, dave9252 posted a vid of it running, I dont know how to do the search with out lookin on every page for it. Can some one bring it u for me please
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Quote from: SPD748 on October 23, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Nice tractor Lyle! It should be around 100 hp I think. I helped my Dad in-frame one several years ago. The one we worked on had a pony start gas engine. Once it was up and running that thing was a real powerhouse! Are you going to remove the engine from the frame or 'park' the tractor in front of your mill?
-lee
when I first got it this spring, dave9252 posted a vid of it running, I dont know how to do the search with out lookin on every page for it. Can some one bring it u for me please
This it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lErRb8J4W8&feature=player_embedded
Yes sir thats it! thanx a bunch!!!
All 4 or 5 of the videos of starting and running the Cat engine are good. including the first on where you are hitting the starter button...and it fired up.
8)
I just love getting those old motors fired up, dont know why, I just do..lol
Quote from: SPD748 on October 23, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Nice tractor Lyle! It should be around 100 hp I think. I helped my Dad in-frame one several years ago. The one we worked on had a pony start gas engine. Once it was up and running that thing was a real powerhouse! Are you going to remove the engine from the frame or 'park' the tractor in front of your mill?
-lee
The plan is to just leave the motor in the frame, in a week or so you will see why...lol
OK, I got things rigged good enough for me to start to saw tomorrow afternoon. In the morning I have to go make some money with the construction equip so I can pay fur me roof..lol
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You don't do anything in a small way, do you Lyle? :D
Quote from: Tree Feller on October 23, 2012, 08:27:11 PM
You don't do anything in a small way, do you Lyle? :D
I was thinking that this was small..lol
Seen any snowflakes today? We got dumped on pretty good here in Lloydminster :(
I run the cat most of the day today on a project Im working on for a costomer. I thought I would shut down early and fire up the mill to do some sawing. I had one heck of a time getting my little marble between my ears to think straight on how to cut the log. Must be old age setting in..lol
QuoteI run the cat most of the day today on a project Im working on for a costomer.
Which cat was that? ;D
Great job on that roof installation, lyle! smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: beenthere on October 24, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
QuoteI run the cat most of the day today on a project Im working on for a costomer.
Which cat was that? ;D
zee 1650 case dozer...lol
Quote from: clww on October 24, 2012, 07:50:32 PM
Great job on that roof installation, lyle! smiley_thumbsup
Thank ya sir! its gonna make a big difference this winter 8)
I'm still working on a tree stand. I think it's taking me longer than your sawmill shed build! :D
since most of the clutch parts were missing on the td18 I decided to run a drive shaft right to the flywheel, this morning I removed some tranny gears to make room for a bigger shaft. I measured up all the new pieces that I need to get built and brought the measurements to the machine shop.
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I had a little set back with the TD18 yesterday, I was about to fire the ol beast u and then I noticed water puking out of the block. Someone had welded it up before, Im going to get an old welder friend of mine to come and weld it up for me
I had the tractor tore down by 630am so the crack in the block can be repaired
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never had much luck welding a block , I have seen Lock and Stitch work good . So if welding doesn't work get one of their kits and stitch away . Good luck though on the welding .
Cast iron can be a monster to weld. It almost always takes an ample preheat, then a Ni rod and a slow... slow...slow and steady hand. This is one material that I have yet to master. Best of luck to your friend Lyle!
-lee
did a little sawing today
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That looks good. That white stuff outside not so good.What was you sawing for lumber? Boards for the sides?
Quote from: thecfarm on October 27, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
That looks good. That white stuff outside not so good.What was you sawing for lumber? Boards for the sides?
The white stuff is not so good I agree, but its better then the mud that was here. I have to start to saw to fill orders. I have lots of 3x10s and 3x12s to cut for the oilfield
lyle over the years i have welded several cast iron pieces .If it is too large to preheat properly then weld it in half inch passes .When you make a pass let it cool until you can lay your bare hand on it then repeat until your finished.Also ping it as it cools to relieve the stress.I use nickel rods but they are pricey.good luck. al
Halloween is almost here so I had to decorate the carridge..lol my little brooms work dang good.
In the second pic you can see the winter is here! yuc!
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Being from South Carolina......that snow makes my bones ache. :)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on October 28, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Being from South Carolina......that snow makes my bones ache. :)
Just having a roof and poor mans siding on the mill sure makes a big difference.
Lyle
You cant belive how much roof helps mill stay in adjustment. Old Timers say most inportant thing is to keep sun off saw and metal frames don't take much expansion to cause wierd things to happen
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boy that white stuff is way to early for me to look at and we don't get more than one a year of them ,most years anyway .
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this works good on the wheels for me
Hey Lyle. Soon i'll be in the same boat as you. First sprinkle of snow in the village today. 5000 feet up in the alps.
got the ol beast welded u tonight, I will put it back together in the morning and get it fired up, we will see what happens????
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I got the ol TD18 fired up this morning and there is no leaks so far. Im a happy camper again...lol
The ol beast is outside and running, not smooth yet cause I think I got a couple of sticky injectors. there is no leaks so far! 8)
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Lyle, My Dad had an old TD 18 back in the 60's. He had to crank it on gas then pull a lever up and...... BAM.....it switched over to Diesel. It would spit, cough and chug a lug until the Diesel got to going.....after that, she was ready for work. DanG td's are built like a tank.
Awsome saw mill you're setting up lyle. I have never seen a circle mill operating. It must be a thrill. I know I am happier than a whitch in a broom factory every time I am running my band mill. I saw the way you welded that engine block. There's not a lot of folks around my way that could pull that off. I guess that was not your first rodeo! smiley_beertoast
Nice job Lyle. The mill is coming together nicely. What is the hp on the old dozer?
Quote from: Woodchuck53 on November 01, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
Nice job Lyle. The mill is coming together nicely. What is the hp on the old dozer?
Not sure on the HP yet but its got big pistons and a long stroke. Tha max RPM is about 1400
I welded up a few tractor blocks and they came out ok, sure aint a pretty weld but as long as the coolant stayes inside I can live with ugly, I see myself every mornin' ;D :D
Just a little update on the TD18, My pieces should be done at the machine shop this week??? All the leaks are fixed except for the water pump, I tried to order a new one from the parts stores in town but I was not successful, I will continue my search for that this week. I fired the ol beast up again yesterday and there is only one lazy injector but after a few minutes it started to fire. It is a very smooth running engine.
Once I get everthing bolted up Im gonna give it a paint job to make it look purdy
We are pretty simila Lyle We like painting stuff nothin like a fresh coat a jam Hey Mate :) ;) :D ;D 8) 8)
Quote from: Meadows Miller on November 04, 2012, 07:39:49 AM
We are pretty simila Lyle We like painting stuff nothin like a fresh coat a jam Hey Mate :) ;) :D ;D 8) 8)
Guys figure your hiding stuff when you paint some thing but as far as Im concerned you can see more problems when things are clean and shiny????
Lyle,a company named Atlas makes a product for sealing cast iron cracks they look like lumber crayons but are a hard almost glass like material.You clean and heat the crack good and warm then rub it on the crack,it will melt and wick in , they claim its a perminant fix.I'am not aquainted with a TD-18 water pump but almost all use the same bearing and seal available from your JD dealer,pull it apart and rebuild it.Glad your under cover,and not a week too soon. Frank C.
Lyle
Go to Red Power and post water pump repair under Construction Equip Someone will know where to tell you to look fer parts. The beast looks to be a TD-18-181 or 182 these were the last models made at least track frames are later mod old ones had chanell iron track frames and later ones had boxed frames like yours 1955 to 1957 vintage. If you can find brass plate (upper left) on dash it will have serial # this will let me date it fer you if you post it
Brian
Lyle
I posted it on Red Power for you so we will see what they find. Now I am gonna catch a bunch of flack over this beings there is a running fued between the Dual stackers (18s and 24s) and us single stack guys (6s,9s and 14s like mine) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: captain_crunch on November 05, 2012, 12:44:27 PM
Lyle
I posted it on Red Power for you so we will see what they find. Now I am gonna catch a bunch of flack over this beings there is a running fued between the Dual stackers (18s and 24s) and us single stack guys (6s,9s and 14s like mine) ::) ::) ::)
I am useing a question mark as a letter cause the letter just dont work anymore, give ya an idea.... ?uter, water ?um?,
This tractor has a ?ackingless water ?um?, Im sure they can be rebuilt. It will be interesting to see what the fellas on red ?woer will have to say, Thanx
dblair, if you fasten some flexible strips of metal on top of those wood blocks, it will scrape that build up of sawdust off the wheel and shed it away from the tracks.
I fashioned some stuff for my Corley. Couldn't stand that constant thump-thump-thump as the carriage moved.
Lyle could do the same. Just let them ride on the wheel, so they scrape, not directly at the wheel.
now that's a good idea , thanks
Lyle
try Tom at tombrakeall@hotmail.com
He says 181 lists one water pump while 182 lists 2 different ones try to find serial # or casting #s off pump itself hope this helps. Just cant have a circle mill without a crawler around :D :D :D :D
The ol TD18 is back to being IHC RED
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Wow, that's so bright it hurts!
How'd you come out with the water pump?
Alan
Alan
You wouldnt be Alan from ACMOC would you ?
Quote from: ALWOL on November 10, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
Wow, that's so bright it hurts!
How'd you come out with the water pump?
Alan
I havnt pulled it off yet, it had quit leaking???? I wanted to get my new pieces on then try things out first then I will pull it off and get it rebuilt. PS where have ya been? havnt seen ya fur a while??
That's what I'm talking about. My first love is IH Farmall Red. Looking good all the way around. Thanks Lyle
Captain, don't think I'm that Alan. I'm just a poor farmer from southern Missouri.
Lyle, I've been around, but only looking. No time to post because of haying, combining and the usual farm work. Have done some logging so that I can saw all winter though!
Looks like your 18 should work OK for the mill, but I think you already know that I prefer the "other" color.
Alan
Quote from: ALWOL on November 11, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
Looks like your 18 should work OK for the mill, but I think you already know that I prefer the "other" color.
Alan
Kubota orange ? ;D
I got the new shaft installed on the TD18.
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Still making good progress. 8)
Having that roof over the mill has to feel pretty danG good when ya realize what the alternative would have been with that snow cover.
Going to use the TD18 to run the mill? or is it going to be a crawler?
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Still making good progress. 8)
Having that roof over the mill has to feel pretty danG good when ya realize what the alternative would have been with that snow cover.
Going to use the TD18 to run the mill? or is it going to be a crawler?
The roof is a good thing! as long as I can keep the snow off and the cold wind away I am happy. The 18 will be used to power the mill...I likes the power!
No such thing as to much power huh?
Oh, and yes I do like the WOOD-MIZER orange! I was kinda referring to John Deere green though.
Hello fellas, I have been sawing more and more each day, Im still getting a few bugs out of the system but moving forward. Most of the bugs are in the conveyor system due to the cold weather. The mill itself is doing fantastic considering its a thousand years old..lol
I hired my first hired hand for he mill, the young fela didnt last a day and a half...lol
You wore him out, or he didn't make the grade?
Wow! Only a day and a half?! How much are you producing to wear out a youngster like that? Video would help... ;)
Hello fellas,
This is just a little update, I almost got the TD18 ready to go on the mill.I got the water pump and the starter repaired and now the old girl starts right up. I just have to find one more pulley then we will be putting the 18 at its new home.
It's been a brutal winter up here so far so I didnt get as much sawing in as I thought I would but still made a few boards.
Im working on a deal for about a 100 loads of logs not to far from my place, should find out more this week.
We got the lumber planer completed but havnt run to many boards through yet, just waiting for it to warm up.
The mill is running pretty dang good, the lumber is coming out fairly true. There is lots of improvements I want to make on it this summer.
Oh ya, I had found another mill for sale not to far from my place, its a portable circle mill with a 350 cummins, I dont really need it but for some silly reason Im thinking I should buy it...lol must be the addiction kickin in..lol
I will try to get some pics in the near future....Lyle
Lyle,sometimes you can buy a circular mill for far less than the saw blade is worth.Many times the power plant is worth far more than the asking price plus the mill/carriage parts. Frank C.
Quote from: bandmiller2 on January 28, 2013, 07:27:20 AM
Lyle,sometimes you can buy a circular mill for far less than the saw blade is worth.Many times the power plant is worth far more than the asking price plus the mill/carriage parts. Frank C.
Yep, thats what I was thinking to, the carridge is exactly the same as what I have now.
Lyle, same carriage should equal same track you could stretch her out to do the long beams.Mayby couple the two carriages togather like a freight train. Frank C.
I purchased another mill today, its got a conveyor for the sawdust and a 350 cummins for a power unit. Im going to haul it home tomorrow if the weather is OK.
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Congrats on the "new" mill. And hey, the weather looks great!! ;)
Congrats on the new mill, Lyle.
I think you only have two seasons up there where you are...snowy and muddy. :D
Quote from: Tree Feller on January 29, 2013, 08:55:01 PM
Congrats on the new mill, Lyle.
I think you only have two seasons up there where you are...snowy and muddy. :D
Yep, it sure seems like that dont it..lol
Another mill???? Keep them coming. ;D
went and got the new old mill yesterday, we didnt break any speed limits..lol
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I see the motor is under cover. What is the big plan for the "new"mill? Wait for warmer weather to play with it?
Quote from: thecfarm on January 31, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
I see the motor is under cover. What is the big plan for the "new"mill? Wait for warmer weather to play with it?
As soon as I get the oats out of my shop there will be room for the old mill. Dave and I got the 350 cummins running pretty sweet today.
Man winter hangs a long time up there . here's to a speedy spring . Parts are a great find . there's a mill near me that I would like just for the blade . they haven't cut anything in years but it will never sell in my life time so that's just the way it goes . good luck on your new find .
QuoteDave and I got the 350 cummins running pretty sweet today.
I can't get over how fast you guys get things done. Must be some kind of time warp thing up there. :o :o
Let's see:
1/28 Found another mill for sale
1/29 Looked at it and bought it
1/30 Dug the mill outta the snow and hauled it home.
1/31 Fired up the 350 Cummins
2/1 Gonna saw the first log ? ;D ;D
Good to hear, and look forward to a pic or two after the snow melts. :) :)
I have a question??????
This 350 cummins has a transmission mounted to it with a clutch, in first gear at 2000 rpm the output on the tranny is 800 rpm, is there any reason why I cant hook that directly to the mandrel with a driveshaft instaed of useing belts and pulleys???
The only issues are RPM and safety. 800 is a pretty fast unless you have a saw hammered for that speed. Also, a sheer pin is a must in direct coupling. But your idea is not that different from a PTO driven Belsaw (RPM difference notwithstanding).
Lyle,
I think that engine, which is commonly referred to as a '350 Cummins', is actually an 855 series Cummins. That's 855 cu in. Does it have "Big Cam" cast into the block somewhere? I looked at your pictures but it's hard to tell with all that 'native decoration' :D
Either way, Cummins valves will float around 2700 rpm (very bad thing, as I'm sure you're aware of). You mentioned running it at 2000 rpm which, in my opinion, is a little high for a stationary engine especially since you don't need the power that beast is generating at that rpm. If your output shaft is spinning 800 rpm at 2000 engine rpm, slow the engine to 1400 rpm which should reduce the output shaft to around 550 rpm. The engine will produce all the power you'll ever need at that rpm plus run a little quieter, burn less fuel and last longer. My Dad has serviced several thousand of these engines over the years. Many were gen sets where the engine was set up to run a constant 1500 rpm.
-lee
Lyle,
Will that be spinning the right direction for your saw? If not, how fast is reverse? :D
Dave and I got the TD18 spotted yesterday, even sawed acouple of logs! The power is awsome!! It is abig difference from the 1105 massey. We will try to get the hyds done today?????
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Lyle,your Cummins is aparently a truck engine,how is it governed.?? If it just has the standard limiting speed governor your liable to get rpm droop when your in a hard pull.As mentioned you need a weak link in the drive line easiest is a shear bolt best is a slip clutch [like is used on many farm impliments].Your highway clutch will work fine ,just opposite of a standard toggle in clutch.A cable to the sawyers box with an overcenter lever,toggled over clutch releast.Shame you didn;t have the Cummins before you put so much work[$$$] into big red.Its all good Lyle keep on trucken. Frank C.
Quote from: bandmiller2 on February 02, 2013, 06:48:29 AM
Lyle,your Cummins is aparently a truck engine,how is it governed.?? If it just has the standard limiting speed governor your liable to get rpm droop when your in a hard pull.As mentioned you need a weak link in the drive line easiest is a shear bolt best is a slip clutch [like is used on many farm impliments].Your highway clutch will work fine ,just opposite of a standard toggle in clutch.A cable to the sawyers box with an overcenter lever,toggled over clutch releast.Shame you didn;t have the Cummins before you put so much work[$$$] into big red.Its all good Lyle keep on trucken. Frank C.
Yep, I said the same thing about the big red and cummins..lol Hind sight is 20 20..lol
Quote from: lyle niemi on February 02, 2013, 06:56:26 AM
Quote from: bandmiller2 on February 02, 2013, 06:48:29 AM
Lyle,your Cummins is aparently a truck engine,how is it governed.?? If it just has the standard limiting speed governor your liable to get rpm droop when your in a hard pull.As mentioned you need a weak link in the drive line easiest is a shear bolt best is a slip clutch [like is used on many farm impliments].Your highway clutch will work fine ,just opposite of a standard toggle in clutch.A cable to the sawyers box with an overcenter lever,toggled over clutch releast.Shame you didn;t have the Cummins before you put so much work[$$$] into big red.Its all good Lyle keep on trucken. Frank C.
Yep, I said the same thing about the big red and cummins..lol Hind sight is 20 20..lol
[/quoteIm not sure about the govenor, Im thinking its just the original one but the clutch is air operated, I will take some picks today and maybe you can set me in the right direction about the govenor
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Lyle,any chance to talk to the origional sawyer.? Its hard to tell but it looks like a limiting speed governor,and the sawyer was relying on big engine to carry him through.Most limiting speed governors have a high adjustment for the top speed.If you can set that back[lower] to the speed your comfy with then hold the governor agenst that it should hold the set RPM's.You may find that big red with its slow torque and variable speed governor may be the better choice,and cheaper to run. Frank C.
Quote from: bandmiller2 on February 02, 2013, 07:59:04 AM
Lyle,any chance to talk to the origional sawyer.? Its hard to tell but it looks like a limiting speed governor,and the sawyer was relying on big engine to carry him through.Most limiting speed governors have a high adjustment for the top speed.If you can set that back[lower] to the speed your comfy with then hold the governor agenst that it should hold the set RPM's.You may find that big red with its slow torque and variable speed governor may be the better choice,and cheaper to run. Frank C.
I really doubt ifI can get a hold of the original owner, what Im going to do is use big red on the mill and fix the cummins up and put it on the shelf until needed. Big red runs at 1200 which turns the blade at 650 which should be good. I sawed a bigger log yesterday and it didnt even make the motor pull down, that I noticed anyways.
From the pics it looks like your engine is a N14 STC Cummins. It uses Cummins' famous PT (pressure-time) fuel system, and it will behave like a variable speed governor. Do you know what year of truck the engine is out of? That would be a big help. I think the STC series of engines were coming on the scene in the late 80's early 90's. Maybe even mid 90's.
Alan
Quote from: ALWOL on February 02, 2013, 08:50:21 AM
From the pics it looks like your engine is a N14 STC Cummins. It uses Cummins' famous PT (pressure-time) fuel system, and it will behave like a variable speed governor. Do you know what year of truck the engine is out of? That would be a big help. I think the STC series of engines were coming on the scene in the late 80's early 90's. Maybe even mid 90's.
Alan
On the spec plate at the front of the engine where it says model it says NTC-350
I dont know what truck or the year of the unit
Having the overhead driveline is going to be handier then pockets in your shorts, I still have to build a guard around the shaft, I dont want to get a headache..lol That will be tomorrow's project
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The governor on the TD-18 is a lot better setup then the one on the Cummins,and the TD-18 engine runs in a lot better R.P.M. range for the sawmill. If you could find a twin disc clutch and the right size pulleys the Cummins would work out then. I have a friend here that has a no.1 lane and its powered by a UD-18 power unit and it works great. nice job on the mill and tractor. Don
hope you never break one of those u joints , it will beat a guard and you to death before you can cut it of .
I like your setup there with the high rise shaft, a guard over that can be done and be strong enough to hold the flapping shaft if anything was to break, only needs to be engineered to that spec, and looking at what has already been done around that mill, I don't see how it won't be safe to be near that rotating shaft once covered up.
Quote from: SPD748 on February 01, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
Lyle,
I think that engine, which is commonly referred to as a '350 Cummins', is actually an 855 series Cummins. That's 855 cu in. Does it have "Big Cam" cast into the block somewhere? I looked at your pictures but it's hard to tell with all that 'native decoration' :D
Either way, Cummins valves will float around 2700 rpm (very bad thing, as I'm sure you're aware of). You mentioned running it at 2000 rpm which, in my opinion, is a little high for a stationary engine especially since you don't need the power that beast is generating at that rpm. If your output shaft is spinning 800 rpm at 2000 engine rpm, slow the engine to 1400 rpm which should reduce the output shaft to around 550 rpm. The engine will produce all the power you'll ever need at that rpm plus run a little quieter, burn less fuel and last longer. My Dad has serviced several thousand of these engines over the years. Many were gen sets where the engine was set up to run a constant 1500 rpm.
-lee
I agree, lower the rpm's to suit your blade speed and it will be much happier.
Weren't the 350's a Big Cam III?
SPD748, were those gensets 50 cycle? Typically a genset engine runs at a synchronous speed (multiples of the cycles). Mine is 1260 rpm's.
Here is a few pics from yesterday, I had a couple of man killers on the log deck..lol
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 05, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
SPD748, were those gensets 50 cycle? Typically a genset engine runs at a synchronous speed (multiples of the cycles). Mine is 1260 rpm's.
I'm not sure on the cycle. I'll ask my Dad and see. I remember several of the sets having tach's that read to 1800 rpm and him setting the high idle at 1500 rpm.
Lyle,
That third log back is impressive for sure. How did the TD's engine pull in that beast?
-lee
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 05, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
SPD748, were those gensets 50 cycle? Typically a genset engine runs at a synchronous speed (multiples of the cycles). Mine is 1260 rpm's.
I'm not sure on the cycle. I'll ask my Dad and see. I remember several of the sets having tach's that read to 1800 rpm and him setting the high idle at 1500 rpm.
Lyle,
That third log back is impressive for sure. How did the TD's engine pull in that beast?
-lee
The 18 barely knows its there..lol Im hopeing the 18 will last, its se3ems perfect for this application, it is a big difference from the massey and the little JD. I dont think I will mess with little engines anymore, ya need that torque!
Well I started to do a little carpentry yesterday, Dave and I got some more girts up and the hurricane straps on the sawmill shed, good thing there wasnt a hurricane this winter..lol Here is some birds eye view pics :new_year:
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Looking good there.
Dog is at rest, knowing you are hard at work making his dog house more comfortable. :)
Appears to be drying out a bit and see you have been doing some water control too.
Finally starting to get some tin on before winter, BTW, winter isnt to far off!
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Looking good! and you are so right, hard to believe September is almost here, it was a fast summer for sure,
david
Quote from: drobertson on August 17, 2013, 08:03:49 AM
Looking good! and you are so right, hard to believe September is almost here, it was a fast summer for sure,
david
Thanx David, yep summer is flying by and I still have a bunch of stuff to get done before the snow comes...oopps! sorry for swearing, Isaid the S word!!
You do good work. 8)
I see that it was exactly a year ago today when your trusses were delivered. Time passes fast when you are having fun. I like that shed. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Magicman on August 17, 2013, 05:43:21 PM
I see that it was exactly a year ago today when your trusses were delivered. Time passes fast when you are having fun. I like that shed. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Not bad eh, only took a year to get sometin on the walls..lol :new_year:
Lyle, your our action hero,I'd say your a seasoned sawyer by now judging from the pictures.What are you planning to do for light and heat in the mill.No mill is tight but it sure helps if you can duct some of the warm breeze from the radiator your way in the winter.South facing windows help. Frank C.
Glad to see you getting some tin up Lyle .Those Alberta winters can be a bit rough.I trucked up your way for about 12 years.Met some mighty fine people up your way.
Quote from: bandmiller2 on August 18, 2013, 07:30:30 AM
Lyle, your our action hero,I'd say your a seasoned sawyer by now judging from the pictures.What are you planning to do for light and heat in the mill.No mill is tight but it sure helps if you can duct some of the warm breeze from the radiator your way in the winter.South facing windows help. Frank C.
Probably gowith T8 lighting and install tem on the walls instead of the ceiling, tohigh of a ceiling to change bulbs..lol And or heat I will probably build a wood stove. The motor itself will trow enough heat while sawing I should be at a comfortable temp. Im hopeing to ge it insulated and sealed up before winter????? Im hving touble getting the rest of my tin up because the helper I had is to lazy to get out of bed. Getting hired help up here is a real problem!!
Believe ME It's not just UP THERE. If you were closer I'd give ya a hand Lazerdan
Quote from: LAZERDAN on August 18, 2013, 02:27:48 PM
Believe ME It's not just UP THERE. If you were closer I'd give ya a hand Lazerdan
Thats good to know we are not the only ones..lol I spent alot of time making my mill one man friendly, even my lumber yard I changed around this last month to make it easier for one guy to control. Welfare isto easy to get now so ya dont have the access to labor you once did.
The only guy you can depend on is the one that watches you shave in the morning,and sometimes he comes under question. Frank C.
Lyle i bet some of that well casing you have laying around would make a good guard for your over head shaft.We have them on our pumping units .
Lyle, Looking good!!3 years ago when my wife and i came back from our Alaska trip ,I stopped and visited with friends in Hinton ,and Grand Prairie , you live in a great part of Canada !!! i saw a lot of game in both places , and a lot of Timber in Hinton !! it looks like your doing well,happy sawing. Don
I finally bit the bullet and ordered a jockey grinder, dang thing cost about 90 bucks by the time I paid the shipping and broker fee's, but I got it and I think it was a good investment.
I also got most of the tin up, the start of the header for the log deck opening, exhaust hole for the motor and a window in so I can see the sawdust chain..... BUSY WEEK!!
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Looking good Lyle, did you note there are over 23,000 views on this post :o
If you only paid $ 90 for the Jockey grinder where can I get one????
best
DGDrls
Quote from: dgdrls on August 25, 2013, 08:50:09 PM
Looking good Lyle, did you note there are over 23,000 views on this post :o
If you only paid $ 90 for the Jockey grinder where can I get one????
best
DGDrls
OOOPPPPSSS that should be 900.. sticky 0
you'll have to get an in-use photo of that grinder for us.
best
DGDrls
Quote from: dgdrls on August 26, 2013, 06:22:07 AM
you'll have to get an in-use photo of that grinder for us.
best
DGDrls
I havnt used it yet but when I do I will take a few pics, been to busy to saw, trying to get a zillion things done before winter. Last year we had snow on Oct 12 which isnt to far away. Im startin to panic..lol
a friend who has a sawmill near me uses a Jockey grinder , he can go around a 52 inch blade in what seems like 7 minutes . that's great looking siding for that shed . It might just be a warm winter for you out there milling logs . nice mill .
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Quote from: dgdrls on August 26, 2013, 06:22:07 AM
you'll have to get an in-use photo of that grinder for us.
best
DGDrls
I havnt used it yet but when I do I will take a few pics, been to busy to saw, trying to get a zillion things done before winter. Last year we had snow on Oct 12 which isnt to far away. Im startin to panic..lol
was going to ask how the farm was running this year, sounds like normal "full speed ahead" ;)
take care Lyle.
DGD
Quote from: dblair on August 26, 2013, 09:25:45 AM
a friend who has a sawmill near me uses a Jockey grinder , he can go around a 52 inch blade in what seems like 7 minutes . that's great looking siding for that shed . It might just be a warm winter for you out there milling logs . nice mill .
Thank you dblair, the tin did turn out nice. Im not going to tin the front of the millshed, I want to mix things up a little. I want to make the front look a little sawmilly so Im gonna do the board and batton method. Dont think its gonna be this year tho, just gonna sheet it in with plywwod for now.
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you'll have to get an in-use photo of that grinder for us.
best
DGDrls
I havnt used it yet but when I do I will take a few pics, been to busy to saw, trying to get a zillion things done before winter. Last year we had snow on Oct 12 which isnt to far away. Im startin to panic..lol
was going to ask how the farm was running this year, sounds like normal "full speed ahead" ;)
take care Lyle.
DGD
If I can get the crop off it should be OK..... The weather is real funny this year
I almost got the millshed closed in, I started to work on the roof for the conveyor belt. If thing go good tomorrow I should have the conveyor roof ready for tin
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;D Every step is one step closer. :)
Quote from: Magicman on September 03, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
;D Every step is one step closer. :)
You bet! Im hopeing by the end of the week I will have to put lights in the mill shed......Winter is coming :snowball:
Finally ready for tin 8)
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Ain't no grass grows under your feet... way to go, and looking good for winter snow a comin.
Maybe next month for you? Or maybe this month... geesh it is already into September. ::)
Just curious why your going with a 16' ceiling, that's very high. I've got a 12 foot ceiling in my 20x60 mill and its plenty high. What kind of mill do you have there?
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Just curious why your going with a 16' ceiling, that's very high. I've got a 12 foot ceiling in my 20x60 mill and its plenty high. What kind of mill do you have there?
A building can have many uses if it is built big enough
OK, I promise this will be the last pic for a while, just had to show you that the tin is up and the millshed is almost ready for winter
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That is truly a nice building lyle !
I need to get started on putting a shed , building , tarp , or even a teepee would be something over my mill.
I just can not make my mind up if I want to go through the scuffle trying to build a building myself with no help or just make a phone call and pay someone to build it.
I have even been looking into these carports, some of them don't look bad.
Quote from: Buddyw on September 05, 2013, 08:14:25 PM
That is truly a nice building lyle !
I need to get started on putting a shed , building , tarp , or even a teepee would be something over my mill.
I just can not make my mind up if I want to go through the scuffle trying to build a building myself with no help or just make a phone call and pay someone to build it.
I have even been looking into these carports, some of them don't look bad.
Building something like this is alot of work by yourself! If ya have the money and if there is a contractor that will do it for you it might be worth it. The reason I went so big and tall with my building is that if I ever go sell the place the building can be used for other applications other then a millshed
Built and hung half the big door today, hope to get the other half done tommorrow
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Very nice building Lyle. Job well done!
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I just can not make my mind up if I want to go through the scuffle trying to build a building myself with no help or just make a phone call and pay someone to build it.
Putting up a building yourself is a lot of work (particularly one like Lyle's!). But if you have the skill and if the opportunity cost works in your favour, go for it.
Great job Lyle! Very impressive.
I totally agree with going tall.That way if you need to expand you are not limited to the gable ends.Good job lyle.
More progress made today! The building is dang near closed in. I couldnt figure out where to put my main entrance but I soon figured something out. As you can see I put it right in the big door, I cant see anything wrong with that :snowball:
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I couldnt combine yesterday cause of the rain so I built a little motor room for the mill, it should control the noise and the heat, I installed a slider window so I can have the motor in sight all the time while Im sawing. I think it will work good!
I also found this old 966 loader which I might purchase in a week or so, I gots to get permission from the real boss first!! a know who Im talkin about..lol
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Super nice building you have built. I would need to do a lot for my boss for her let me buy a loader like that.
Lyle,even in the winter that engine enclosure will get toasty warm.Mayby you can duct some warm air to the sawyers box.If you weld up some diamond tread about an inch apart and run engine coolant through, your feet will be toasty warm.[with a shutoff valve for the summer] Frank C.
Quote from: GAmillworker on September 18, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Super nice building you have built. I would need to do a lot for my boss for her let me buy a loader like that.
Thanx, when I first dragged that old mill out of the bush, I would never of guessed I would go this far...lol
Lyle,tell mommy its for combining logs.You can't beat the "big guns" for handling logs farm loaders and bobcats work but a loader like that is a real spoiler.Does it need work.?? Frank C.
lyle,when will it stop? :D Good idea from bandmiller about keeping your feet warm.
if you put doors and heat on that loader you might get one of the children to load logs while you saw sometimes . your operation is really getting big . really nice building , as I have said before . I've got one of those doors in a door also . it appears your getting ready for the sawing season , next month , maybe ?
Quote from: bandmiller2 on September 19, 2013, 07:09:35 AM
Lyle,tell mommy its for combining logs.You can't beat the "big guns" for handling logs farm loaders and bobcats work but a loader like that is a real spoiler.Does it need work.?? Frank C.
The loader seems to be Ok, but Im sure if I lk I could find some thing to fix on it..lol
Your heating idea is a good one!
I got rid of some more noise today, I insulated my little motor room with some 3 inch styrofoam, It made a big difference!
I was just looking at this thread again, I think I had more energy at that time..lol
I was thinkin you had alota energy also ! Are you planting oats again ? Lazerdan
Quote from: LAZERDAN on May 25, 2014, 09:49:36 PM
I was thinkin you had alota energy also ! Are you planting oats again ? Lazerdan
Im not doing any farming this year, fuel prices up and grain prices down... bad mix..LOL
The reason I was asking. I found out over winter, when I was loading salt at the local feed mill. Jr and I were ask to hang around a while (short time) And ask to step in the back of the store ( where the mill equipment was) Now mind you it was -20, so gettin out of the cold is always good. Store closes and we head to the back and we see a bunch of friends and aquaintences sittin around on the feed bags shoot in the ADMIN LANGUAGE EDIT. the owner breaks out a gunny sack of peanuts sold for squirrl feed and a fridge full of beer N soda. he says every day is a rat race these days we need to catch up. Most farmers have quit farming around here ( do to suburbia ) and the it seem more horse people are at the mill. Talking about horse people, the owner says, They all want canadian oats, now wi. used to be the oats capital of the world. Now almost no oats at all arund here, corn and beans . the owner says the price to get canadian oats here pays a preimum, So in a nutshell with a bunch of semi old farmers gathered round the mill on a cold day, it made me thinks of Lyles oats. Have a good day Lazerdan
Hola , just going through some pics...... where did all my energy go.... :new_year:
Hi Lyle Haven't heard from you much lately . How is the saw mill running . Are you still working it or have you gone back to farming . I really enjoyed following your build and have wondered quite a few times what had become of you . scouter Joe
Quote from: scouter Joe on March 07, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
Hi Lyle Haven't heard from you much lately . How is the saw mill running . Are you still working it or have you gone back to farming . I really enjoyed following your build and have wondered quite a few times what had become of you . scouter Joe
yep still sawmilling. farming and whatever I can to scratch up a living. The last couple of years has been pretty tough to do anything but there is an election coming in two short years :snowball:
Good to see you back Lyle.
Lyle thanks for sharing your build. I have enjoyed reading this for the last couple of hours and enjoyed all your pics. A fantastic build and I think I see where all your energy went I am very impressed thank you so much for sharing your talent.
don't think I have any talent , just did a lot of trial and error lol more then I care to admit,,,,,
I read thru your build yesterday. Very impressive. If and when you get a chance, a short video of your saw mill in operation would be sweet. :D Oh, I didn't see what kind of mill you have or just missed that part. What is it?
Holly Crap Lyle. It's been 3 years ! Good to see yer still around. Lazerdan
Quote from: LAZERDAN on March 08, 2017, 08:20:36 PM
Holly Crap Lyle. It's been 3 years ! Good to see yer still around. Lazerdan
yep, time does fly by alright
Just a little update.....
I started to plane up some 2'' t&g lumber and some ship lap drop siding, and it seems to be a big hit so far!!
sorry but I don't know how to post pics on here anymore ..... ??? ??? ::) :snowball:
flyingpig
Awesome build!
Hello Lyle, you've been a great inspiration for me. I love you're building roof on the ground and then lifting up in place, it makes it so much easier. I kinda copied the conveyor coming off your circular saw, it works good for cutting alone.Please keep up the good work, and pictures for us that cut alone on circle saws.Merry Christmas
Looks good Lyle! Lots of work went into your set up, that's for sure!