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General Forestry => Drying and Processing => Topic started by: WDH on March 10, 2016, 07:42:21 AM

Title: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 10, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
Drying red maple in Middle Georgia can be a challenge because of gray stain and/or sticker stain resulting from a chemical reaction in the wood from higher temps and high humidity.  I have even had gray strain and sticker stain when air drying in the winter.  Customsawyer and I cut some nice curly red maple in early December.  I was concerned about it gray staining because soon after I stickered it, the weather turned wet and it rained it seemed like every day for the first two weeks.  I ran a 42" barrel ran on the stack for the first 6 weeks 24/7.  The maple air dried to 15- 18% moisture content and went in the kiln early last week.  I removed the wood a few days ago and skip planed it.

I stacked the wood with 1" stickers and kept the air flow high.  It came out very nice with no sticker stain or gray stain, even with it being so wet with high humidity in the early drying cycle.



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Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: fishpharmer on March 10, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Wow! Wow! Very beautiful lumber!
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: Deese on March 10, 2016, 11:17:54 AM
Very Nice Sir  :)
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on March 10, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
The grey stain you mention is called an enzymatic oxidation reaction.  As such it is very sensitive to temperature and the presence of water in the wood.  For every 20 F cooler, the reaction slows by half, so at 50 F, it is 1/4 the speed at 90 F.  When we had the rain, we had a lot of 40F at night...even slower.

The fans are a good idea indeed...remove moisture at a good speed when the air is 92% or drier, even if cool. 

I have seen wood dry well initially and have a nice non-grey outside, but then drying slowed and temperatures were warm, so the core did oxidize to the grey.  So, try to keep drying going at' all times when warm outside and wet inside.
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: xlogger on March 10, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
Looks good Danny
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: thecfarm on March 10, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Now you're cooking!!
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: YellowHammer on March 10, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Congratulations.  You da man!
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: Joey Grimes on March 10, 2016, 09:52:58 PM
Those are awesome I know some guitar builders who would love to get there hands on some of that!!! What would you ask per bf ?
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 11, 2016, 07:22:20 AM
It has all been pre-sold  :).
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: Denny on March 11, 2016, 08:29:35 AM
I've read articles about using lower temps to initially dry soft maple. I start my SM at 120-100 and rarely have any gray or sticker stain, but I do see gray in the cores of my lumber.  Is 120 degrees too high to start out SM ?
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on March 11, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
120 is a bit high for the whitest color.

The grey core is likely because you do not drop the humidity fast enough.  As the wood dries, you need to increase the depression so that the core dries as fast as the shell so you have light colored cores.
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: customsawyer on March 12, 2016, 08:05:49 AM
Nice looking lumber. I think the stickers are actually ¾" thick but they are fluted. I like the way they worked.   ;D

Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 12, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
You are right.  I forgot that they were "your" stickers  :D.

I do believe that the fluted stickers contributed to the positive results, so kudos to the sticker procurement Guy.  He is also the same Guy that procured the log  ;D.  Good job, Jake. That is some fine lumber, and I am proud to be associated with it. 
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: customsawyer on March 14, 2016, 08:24:39 PM
You have always bragged on your memory, but when you have my fluted stickers it seems to be slipping.
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 14, 2016, 08:52:50 PM
I thought that they (the stickers) were mine now.  Oh, OK, my memory must still be slippin'  ;D. 
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: YellowHammer on March 14, 2016, 11:50:49 PM
Are the stickers "H" shape or the spiral configuration?
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 15, 2016, 07:24:07 AM
Some of both. 
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: customsawyer on March 15, 2016, 08:50:44 PM
All the fluted ones are mine and I might share a few of the square ones.  :D
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 16, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
I did not see your name on them.  I will have to look again  ;D. 
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: Bruno of NH on March 20, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
The maple looks great :)
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: Glenn1 on March 21, 2016, 08:27:32 PM
Danny,

When you go to the sterilization cycle, do you still use the auxiliary fans?
Title: Re: No Sticker Stain!
Post by: WDH on March 21, 2016, 08:28:55 PM
Yes.  I leave all six fans running.  The two in the unit and the four additional fans.