Poll: Back to the moon

[tcsmpsi]

I voted "don't know" because there wasn't a "don't care" or "doesn't matter".  I ain't going. 

From what I can tell, it is void of trees.

Often, I think of the world to reflect the fortune of the possibility of some big jolt causing all electrical device to cease function.  So, the want of technology is not upon me.

It is not for me to say what others should/should not do.  The government is going to do as it pleases with its protection money. 

My Heart finds no acclamation toward humans on the moon, one way or the other.

[Jeff]

My sincere apologies to our at least one "Arab" member to the forum and the others that come from that decent.  Most forum members know enough not to defame other members with blanket statements that are mean spirited and hurtful. You probably won't get an apology from them but you certainly will from me.

[flip]

WOW.  Do some have spurs under their saddles?  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

A waste of money is no joke though.  If NASA came to your door and asked for a hundred dollars because they want to go to the moon what would you do?  If they need a bigger budget it comes out of your and my pocket, no thanks.  I would rather see a couple billion dollars put into infrastructure, a fence on the border, more scholarships, better health care or something we can use NOW.  Show me oil on the moon and I'll give it my stamp of approval :

Lighten up kids.

[Jeff]

Flpp my comments were not towards you, although I am sure you know that. Everyone has an opinion.    I was pretty sure your comment was sarcasm. 

Did you know that there is not only a T.V. program debunking the landing, but a T.V. program debunking the debunking show? :D

[Mooseherder]

Then we gotta ask ourselves......selves...., are we really better off with all this technology? :D  Most, probably. The hardest working folks won't be on that flight outta here when it blows. ;D Maybe a politician or scientist along with some frozen embryo testubes packed away to save some room. :D

[SwampDonkey]

Flip, I know it sounded like I was pick'n on ya. But, I was just using the opportunity to share some information. I don't get too excited. ;)

[Kcwoodbutcher]

I don't think NASA has any great expectations of finding new exciting things on the moon. This is an exersize or a stepping stone to bigger better things. Even though it is costly, it is still much cheaper than Mars or some other planetary moon. We will learn many things on the moon which will be required when we explore further. Man by nature is an explorer. Things would not have progressed as they have in the last 4000 years or so if he was not. There are still many places on earth that can be explored ( any of the oceans come to mind ), but we were never one to limit ourselves. This is just the beginning, our generation or the next several may not reap the real benefits of this endevor, but it has to start somewhere. If we wait for the time to be "right" it will never happen, there is always something at home that needs care.  Of all the money our government waste, this is waste well spent.

[Ianab]

Had another thought while I was working in the shed...

I bet they said Christopha Colombus was wasting money when he went looking for a shortcut to India. OK he didn't find what he was looking for, but it worked out OK in the end  :D

Cheers

Ian

[maplewoman]

I have been led to believe by reliable, unamed, sources that every time a space craft goes thru the delicate layers of the atmosphere it is putting a big whole in it. This is what causes the so called wholes in the ozone layer. Such a delicate balance of chemicals, what do you think would happen to them when a massive space rocket roars thru. The gasses dissapate and never reform, Which increases global warming! By the time they build a liveable station on the moon the ozone will be so distorted and depleated we will all be forced to move there anyway, totally due to our lack of care for the planet we have right here. Just think what damage we could all do up there! Everything has cause and effect. It is this sort of greed that kills millions of people, are you really all for killing this beautiful planet and it's inhabitants in the attempt to be the first to live on the moon. Pretty selfish if you ask me. I would rather live on earth any day. Give me trees and flowers over moon rocks and sweaty space suits always. But as usual, big business will ruthlessly push for such mindless endevours, at all costs. God help us all! :'(

[Jeff]

I never thought of it that way. Hmmmm.


I still want to go.   I'll make one big hole goin through that they can keep aiming for in the future. There ya go, thanks to me one more hole and thats it. No more new holes.

[snowman]

 My sincere apologies to any and all Arab loggers out there I may have offended, I honestly didn't know there was such a thing and am still suspicious but Ill take Jeffs word for it. Anyway, thrust of my point was and is, those that would destroy us, Alquiada, Iran thats working on nukes, Venezuala, who's president is insane , etc etc etc, depend on our use of oil to finance their agenda. In a war, the first thing you do is cut off commerece with your enemy and yes, we are at war.( I thought i was doing so good not saying raghead,ya can't take me anywhere) :D

[tcsmpsi]

I believe you're off base there, snowman.

There are many ethnic representations within this forum, and doubting one of the administrators reflection of one has no basis of sincerity.

There are many avenues which welcome ethnic bashing for its own sake.  I do not believe the Forestry Forum to be one of them.

I've been known to wear a rag on my head, from time to time.

[snowman]

tcs, liten up, i was making fun of myself.People are so sensetive, so uptight, so PC these days, sheeesh. Lifes to short, don't take it so serious.Oh and by the way, when i say Arab loggers, i mean loggers in the mideast. In the desert. Far as i'm concerned, once your a US citizen, your an American.

[Jeff]

Snowman I dont make a point of singling out remarks unless I really thought it was needed. If someone made a derogatory remark generalizing our member in Idaho, I would step in and say something as well.  ;) Some of us just got together to help send a cant hook to our member that does chainsaw milling in Qatar. I'd like to use this as an example of how we form opinions on subjects when we might be missing much of the information. As an example the topic at hand, we dont just go to the moon and play golf and pick up rocks and spend tax payer money without benefit.

Apollo's Small Steps Are Giant Leap for Technology

   06.21.04

While Tang and Teflon didn't come from NASA, the Agency has developed many items we use every day without ever realizing their fascinating origins. The lunar era helped to create products most of us would be surprised NASA had anything to do with and that we probably wouldn't like living without. These items protect us, increase performance and make work easier.

Working in the hostile, airless environment of space, Apollo astronauts needed equipment for doing a tough job under unforgiving circumstances. Like working in space, firefighting also requires specialized equipment to keep fire crews safe.


Before 1971 the average weight of a firefighter's breathing system was more than 30 pounds. With that amount of weight on their backs, firefighters were battling their equipment along with the flames. Frequently, the added weight was so taxing that some opted to attack the flames without their breathing systems.

That all changed when engineers at NASA's Johnson Space Center began a program at the request of the nation's fire chiefs to adapt spacesuit life-support systems for use by firefighters. Four years later, the engineers had a design that weighed one-third less and offered a greatly improved fit and better visibility than the previous system. Fire departments across the country were quick to adopt the new system, enhancing the safety of the dangerous job.

Since the Apollo era, millions of people worldwide have literally been walking in the shoes of the astronauts. Thanks to clever spacesuit design, athletic shoes took a major leap forward in quality by incorporating manufacturing and design processes used in NASA's suit construction.

NASA changed athletic shoe construction quite truly where the rubber meets the road. A process known as "blow rubber molding" used in producing helmets was applied to create hollow athletic shoe soles designed to be filled with shock-absorbing materials. Following the establishment of this new molding process, a former NASA engineer named Frank Rudy pitched an idea for a suitable shock absorber to the Nike Corporation. Rudy's concept used a pad made of interconnected air cells placed under the heel and forefoot to cushion the blow. Sound familiar? With Rudy's pitch, Nike Air was born.

Thanks to the Moon missions, Black & Decker was able to pair cordless electricity with elbow grease and make the job of building America easier than ever. While on the Moon, astronauts were tasked with gathering soil and rock samples for analysis back on Earth. To help them, NASA asked Black & Decker to build a special drill for boring into lunar rock. The drill had to be small, lightweight and, most importantly, battery powered. Black & Decker's new drill proved to be a fantastic success and spawned the development of cordless tools for the medical, manufacturing, building and home consumer industries.

Beyond the advancements in science and space flight, the Apollo Moon missions blew open the door for new and practical inventions that revolutionized how we live, work and play. With one small step, American technology took a giant leap forward and changed our everyday lives.

Charlie Plain
NASA's John F. Kennedy Space Center

[tcsmpsi]

tcs, liten up,

Well, I did.  Just returned from the privey. 

Last night was the end  :-[ of a 3 day run of one of my favoritist foods.  Beans with pataters and venison in them, with big, major chunks of cornbread on the side.

I'm nearly devastated.  All these years and I was thinking Tang to be the highlight manned space travel. 

Que lastima.

[snowman]

I feel this has turned political, I feel partially to blame :D Anyway , logging in quatar? Ive learned something here today. I enjoy this forum,learn alot and usually post something as I sit here swilling coffee waiting for sun to come up.Speaking of which, suns up, kinda. I need to change oil in my tractor this morning before i get to work so Im off and will comment no more on space or arab loggers

[Jeff]

Thanks for that post Snowman.      Yea, there really is. Check out some of the posts by member alsayyed


Here is the thread where he first needed the cant hook.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=22569.0

[Jeff]

I guess I should shut up but I feel strongly about this.    I do believe that if we had not been to the moon there would not be a Forestry Forum. Not because of some Nasa Technology developed, but because those times and events had such a profound effect on who I am.   I have a picture here somewhere of me on my eighth birthday. I am sitting on the floor playing with my Major Matt Mason toys that I got for my birthday. I am sitting there on the date of my birth watching Neil Armstrong take the first steps onto the surface of the moon.  Since then I have been entranced by the topic. I follow the shuttles, If there is a tv show on about the subject I watch it. I have a short cut on my desktop to the Nasa tracking website. Its one of the first websites I visited the very first day we got "on-line"

Anyhow, I think life experiences lead you to the things you do. If those experiences were different, then the things you do will be different. Sure, I could say the same thing about being a preachers son. If I had not been, there probably would be no Forestry Forum as well, but for me, these are two of the many things I can point at that says, Hey! This is who I am and why. So yea, Because of landing a man on the moon there is a Forestry Forum.

[scsmith42]

I was out on vacation when Alsayyed's cant hook was purchased, and somehow I missed that string.  What a great string and fantastic message about doing what's right.

Discrimination based upon race, sex, religious preferences, etc, is probably one of the most demeaning aspects of human behavior.  Both the person discriminating against, as well as the person on the receiving end are demeaned.  People should be treated based upon their abilities, behavior and actions, not their appearances or ethnicities.

I have found that one key ingrediant to winning the battle against discrimination is to focus our efforts on similarities between people - not differences.  And on this forum we all have many similar interests.

All should be welcome based upon those interests.  Although the bulk of FF members are US based, every time that I see a new member join or post from a different country around the world, I am glad, because this gives all of us one more opportunity to share experiences, help one another and build friendships based upon our similar interests - thus bridging the gap between nationalities, religions, etc and helping to build a better world community.

Jeff - thanks for posting the link about Alsayyed's cant hook.

Scott

[beenthere]

Another effect of the NASA program was the result of thousands of patents covering the many 'inventions' that came with the new developments specific to the space program. However, there were patent laws that stymied application of these patents, because exclusive rights could not be purchased from NASA.

The end result was change in the governing laws to allow a business venture to have 7 (?) years exclusive rights to a patent to develop and market the invention. This permitted many inventions to find the marketplace. Otherwise, the invention would just collect dust. I'm sure that is where many good ideas are still tied up, in someone's patent that will never get applied due to development costs and legal tangles.
(we can and do shoot ourselves in the foot at times  ). 

[SwampDonkey]

Me too Jeff. I even toured the Cape facilities in 1984. We had a satellite receiver (C-Band) about the same time installed and I would check out the NASA station now and again.  I like all them science programs about space. Some of the theory and conjecture seems to be far fetched, but you just wait a lot of that stuff will be realized. ;D 

[Cedarman]

I know first hand the thrill of being the first human being to see something new on earth. Although in the scheme of things it is small, for those of us participating in these adventures it is huge. And that is cave exploring. On one occasion we spent 19 trips boring a hole through breakdown to get into new cave. I won't go into details but it was somewhat dangerous.  The hole we made was only crawlable and some of it was belly  crawl,meaning only about a foot high and 2 feet wide. The tunnel was about 150 feet long.  We broke out into over a mile of 10' high walking stream passages that went on for over a mile.  We knew we were the first humans ever to walk this passage.

This is another reason we go to moon and beyond. The thrill of exploration transcends the danger involved.

[estiers]

i voted no.  Simply because we have been there already.  Maybe you like to go back to the same vacation spot year after year, but let's explore new territory!  Mars anyone??

[Jeff]

Mars is one of the reasons we are going back to the moon.    Found on the nasa site.

"With so much of space left to explore, why bother going back to the moon? For one, to answer a crucial question: Is there water? The 1998 to '99 flight of NASA's Lunar Prospector detected large concentrations of hydrogen at the moon's poles, a strong clue that there may be considerable deposits of ice. If so, the discovery would revolutionize the economics of lunar exploration overnight. Because water can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, it provides both fuel and breathable air; a local supply would save the high cost (up to $20,000 per kilogram) of shipping water on a spacecraft. Suddenly, the moon would change from a barren place to plant flags and leave footprints into a potential space colony - and a jumping-off point for exploration of Mars and beyond."

[Norm]

I usually keep up with the goings on here but missed the cant hook thread completely, you guys make me proud to hang out here.