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Author Topic: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.  (Read 90271 times)

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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2620 on: August 28, 2021, 04:17:09 AM »
Finally some real data and from Science Magazine too. But the researchers caution that you should not have "infection parties." Another caution is though the differences are huge between the groups, the actual numbers of infections is relatively small for both groups. In other words, the two best groups to be in are either the infected or the vaccinated and never the unvaccinated and uninfected group.

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine

The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.

Nussenzweig’s group has published data showing people who recover from a SARS-CoV-2 infection continue to develop increasing numbers and types of coronavirus-targeting antibodies for up to 1 year. By contrast, he says, twice-vaccinated people stop seeing increases “in the potency or breadth of the overall memory antibody compartment” a few months after their second dose.

For many infectious diseases, naturally acquired immunity is known to be more powerful than vaccine-induced immunity and it often lasts a lifetime. Other coronaviruses that cause the serious human diseases severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) trigger robust and persistent immune responses. At the same time, several other human coronaviruses, which usually cause little more than colds, are known to reinfect people regularly.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2621 on: August 28, 2021, 06:00:54 AM »
I can understand that naturally acquired immunity from fighting off the disease IS probably better than the vaccine. But some folks have caught the virus twice, but luckily that seems rare. But there are still "break trough" cases there.  Big problem is that a lot more folks will die getting immunity that way.  

I'd say the "safest" would be vaccinated, and THEN fighting off the virus with a mild case. 

Either way, one should work as a booster for the other.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2622 on: September 04, 2021, 04:21:21 PM »
we did 28 tests, and although my ratio was 50% +, overall 6 out of 28 were + in the lab.  some are routine for admission to the hospital to keep infected folks separated (quarantined).   21% +.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2623 on: September 04, 2021, 06:01:00 PM »
As far as nurses crossing borders to work, I believe there are at least 1500 living in Canada that cross daily to work in US healthcare facilities. I know it was a big news item a few months back about nurses crossing to work in Michigan around Detroit. ;)

Pharmacies here have been delivering vaccines all along during the rollout. Anyone I know of got their shots at a pharmacy.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2624 on: September 05, 2021, 08:58:39 AM »
 I got both of the pfizer shots back in April an June. Last week I got an antibody test done, this morning thru an e-mail I was told I have 0 antibody's in my system. Being that I take anti viral drugs for my cancer I'm assuming that is the reason for the 0 antibody to the covid 19 virus. If it wasn't for my guess on on being on anti viral's I'd wonder why bother getting a covid anti virus shots. My Cancer Dr. said he had no preference on which shot (pfizer or modurna) that I should get for a 3d shot? But why bother.
 I have been wearing a mask since 2017 and using hand cleaner and what not I wonder how many people complaining about getting this shot would like to live like I do.
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« Reply #2625 on: September 05, 2021, 02:11:58 PM »
I have read that antibody tests are not a true indicator of protection from the the virus, meaning that just because you test negative for the antibody doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work.  That was from the FDA.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2626 on: September 05, 2021, 03:00:07 PM »
It's not even accepted for travel into the Country (Canada). You need a molecular test. One of the reasons a vaccine card won't do you any good, gotta have the test.
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« Reply #2627 on: September 05, 2021, 06:50:22 PM »
in the immune system the antibodies mostly identify a foreign actor, and alert the T and B cell lymphocytes.  in the absence of an infection, the basal antibody levels may be at undetectable levels.  the studies to look at the difference in anti-covid response would be complex.  your immune system can identify thousand of things as "not supposed to be there".   there are memory cells ready to make a ton if needed.  @Ed_K you are still most likely better off having been vaccinated than not. If immunocompromised, I would get it, and also go for the monoclonal antibody if exposed in a serious way.  just my recommendation.
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« Reply #2628 on: September 06, 2021, 03:58:21 AM »
Talking earlier about shortages. Our local hospital was built around 2006 and has never been fully staffed. In fact right now, if your wife was giving birth, you have to travel 100 miles to Fredericton instead of the 24 miles to Waterville. This was going on long before COVID. Even the MRI is a mobile unit on a transport trailer. If you've got something serious going on, your chances are not good down there. The other hospital up river has become a lay over for seniors waiting to get nursing home beds. Not going to get anything done there, except maybe an X-ray. It don't look like it will be improving and the first to lose are rural folks as the tentacles retract toward the cities. ;)
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« Reply #2629 on: September 06, 2021, 05:03:40 AM »
had about 6 patients waiting for 3 hours between the ages of 2 and 17 when I got to work.  most had RSV.  2 had covid.  of the adults, about half tested had covid, but almost all went home.  1 got monoclonal antibodies.  oldest was 57.  no one vaccinated.  prob. saw 20 total for covid, 60 patients total in 12 hours.  



 
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« Reply #2630 on: September 06, 2021, 05:50:40 AM »
and Dr. Zucchini.



 
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« Reply #2631 on: September 06, 2021, 06:00:08 AM »
Talking earlier about shortages. Our local hospital was built around 2006 and has never been fully staffed. In fact right now, if your wife was giving birth, you have to travel 100 miles to Fredericton instead of the 24 miles to Waterville. This was going on long before COVID. Even the MRI is a mobile unit on a transport trailer. If you've got something serious going on, your chances are not good down there. The other hospital up river has become a lay over for seniors waiting to get nursing home beds. Not going to get anything done there, except maybe an X-ray. It don't look like it will be improving and the first to lose are rural folks as the tentacles retract toward the cities. ;)
It’s really bad here in NS, 2-3 year wait list just to finally get assigned a GP. everything’s backed up and now since COVID they have shut a lot of people with much more serious issues than COVID out and some have died as a result.
Might as well just privatize the whole thing because we’re paying large amounts of taxes and can’t even get basic care in return. Why are we evening using this socialist health care then??
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #2632 on: September 06, 2021, 10:11:06 AM »
In the final year of our privatized system my premium was more than my income.

Looks like we're in quarantine till tested, glad I brought the skidsteer home.
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« Reply #2633 on: September 06, 2021, 07:19:25 PM »
Last week I went on a deployment with the FEMA search and rescue task that I'm a member of.  Only vaccinated members were chosen for the deployment.  Upon arrival at headquarters for sign-in we all had to do a rapid and a PCR test for COVID.  Before we left with an 80 person crew, one person was found to be positive based on 2 separate rapid tests.  He was sent home.  On the second day as we were driving south a member was taken off of the bus I was riding on because his PCR test came back positive.  He had apparently had covid a month before, so may have tested positive still.  He was sent back home.  The rest of the trip we all had to wear N95 masks almost at all times.  We were allowed to sleep with them off as long as we were at least 6 feet apart.  We were all sleeping a large gymnasium.  We were also allowed to take them off outdoors when we were spread out.  After an 8 day deployment, we all had to have another PCR test on arrival back at headquarters.  I was just notified that all 78 were negative.  On deployments last year, of course no one was vaccinated, and numerous persons on each deployment became ill.  
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« Reply #2634 on: September 07, 2021, 06:01:31 AM »
Lindy has had a cough and slightly sore throat for about 4 days but no fever. Her lymph nodes in her neck were swollen some. That has gone away. No loss of smell or taste. I guess I'll pick up a home test kit for here today just to be safe although she is feeling better. I've had no symptoms at all. Both of us had the J&J vax in May but she does take immunosuppressants so the vax possibly did her no good.
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« Reply #2635 on: September 07, 2021, 08:05:03 AM »
sounds like a great plan Lee.
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« Reply #2636 on: September 09, 2021, 09:10:48 AM »
 I had to go get a chemo shot in the belly yesterday and they gave me a print out of my covid19 antibody test. The way I read it is if the number is <0.8 no antibodies, mine showed 11.8 so I guess I have some.

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« Reply #2637 on: September 10, 2021, 03:54:20 PM »
The provincial government is coming down hard on vaccine holdouts. We now need a digital vaccine passport by Sept 21 or be refused entry to indoor public places. Got mine online this morning in less than ten minutes and I'm no genius on a computer. It seems heavy handed but we are having a resurgence and too many people are refusing to cooperate. They will carry a drivers licence, a medical care card and a Costco membership card but ask them to show proof of vaccination and now their rights are being taken away by Big Brother. ::) I have to wonder how they will have scanners in place in such a short time.
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« Reply #2638 on: September 10, 2021, 04:02:24 PM »
In the name of “safety”, we will revoke your rights. Been going on since the 70s, little here, little there, eroding of freedoms through regulations and by laws and now they’re just straight up forcing a lot of people to inject whatever into them. I think this is something that should be encouraged but these domestic vaccine passports is crossing the freedom line. I’ll double down on my stance too. Good thing I don’t go out to bars or restaurants anyway, or travel. 
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« Reply #2639 on: September 10, 2021, 05:16:30 PM »
Or supermarkets or hardware stores? Or the bank?
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