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Started by doc henderson, March 12, 2020, 09:23:18 AM

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firefighter ontheside

I have read that antibody tests are not a true indicator of protection from the the virus, meaning that just because you test negative for the antibody doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work.  That was from the FDA.
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SwampDonkey

It's not even accepted for travel into the Country (Canada). You need a molecular test. One of the reasons a vaccine card won't do you any good, gotta have the test.
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doc henderson

in the immune system the antibodies mostly identify a foreign actor, and alert the T and B cell lymphocytes.  in the absence of an infection, the basal antibody levels may be at undetectable levels.  the studies to look at the difference in anti-covid response would be complex.  your immune system can identify thousand of things as "not supposed to be there".   there are memory cells ready to make a ton if needed.  @Ed_K you are still most likely better off having been vaccinated than not. If immunocompromised, I would get it, and also go for the monoclonal antibody if exposed in a serious way.  just my recommendation.
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SwampDonkey

Talking earlier about shortages. Our local hospital was built around 2006 and has never been fully staffed. In fact right now, if your wife was giving birth, you have to travel 100 miles to Fredericton instead of the 24 miles to Waterville. This was going on long before COVID. Even the MRI is a mobile unit on a transport trailer. If you've got something serious going on, your chances are not good down there. The other hospital up river has become a lay over for seniors waiting to get nursing home beds. Not going to get anything done there, except maybe an X-ray. It don't look like it will be improving and the first to lose are rural folks as the tentacles retract toward the cities. ;)
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doc henderson

had about 6 patients waiting for 3 hours between the ages of 2 and 17 when I got to work.  most had RSV.  2 had covid.  of the adults, about half tested had covid, but almost all went home.  1 got monoclonal antibodies.  oldest was 57.  no one vaccinated.  prob. saw 20 total for covid, 60 patients total in 12 hours.  



 
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doc henderson

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HemlockKing

Quote from: SwampDonkey on September 06, 2021, 03:58:21 AM
Talking earlier about shortages. Our local hospital was built around 2006 and has never been fully staffed. In fact right now, if your wife was giving birth, you have to travel 100 miles to Fredericton instead of the 24 miles to Waterville. This was going on long before COVID. Even the MRI is a mobile unit on a transport trailer. If you've got something serious going on, your chances are not good down there. The other hospital up river has become a lay over for seniors waiting to get nursing home beds. Not going to get anything done there, except maybe an X-ray. It don't look like it will be improving and the first to lose are rural folks as the tentacles retract toward the cities. ;)
It's really bad here in NS, 2-3 year wait list just to finally get assigned a GP. everything's backed up and now since COVID they have shut a lot of people with much more serious issues than COVID out and some have died as a result.
Might as well just privatize the whole thing because we're paying large amounts of taxes and can't even get basic care in return. Why are we evening using this socialist health care then??
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Don P

In the final year of our privatized system my premium was more than my income.

Looks like we're in quarantine till tested, glad I brought the skidsteer home.

firefighter ontheside

Last week I went on a deployment with the FEMA search and rescue task that I'm a member of.  Only vaccinated members were chosen for the deployment.  Upon arrival at headquarters for sign-in we all had to do a rapid and a PCR test for COVID.  Before we left with an 80 person crew, one person was found to be positive based on 2 separate rapid tests.  He was sent home.  On the second day as we were driving south a member was taken off of the bus I was riding on because his PCR test came back positive.  He had apparently had covid a month before, so may have tested positive still.  He was sent back home.  The rest of the trip we all had to wear N95 masks almost at all times.  We were allowed to sleep with them off as long as we were at least 6 feet apart.  We were all sleeping a large gymnasium.  We were also allowed to take them off outdoors when we were spread out.  After an 8 day deployment, we all had to have another PCR test on arrival back at headquarters.  I was just notified that all 78 were negative.  On deployments last year, of course no one was vaccinated, and numerous persons on each deployment became ill.  
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LeeB

Lindy has had a cough and slightly sore throat for about 4 days but no fever. Her lymph nodes in her neck were swollen some. That has gone away. No loss of smell or taste. I guess I'll pick up a home test kit for here today just to be safe although she is feeling better. I've had no symptoms at all. Both of us had the J&J vax in May but she does take immunosuppressants so the vax possibly did her no good.
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doc henderson

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Ed_K

 I had to go get a chemo shot in the belly yesterday and they gave me a print out of my covid19 antibody test. The way I read it is if the number is <0.8 no antibodies, mine showed 11.8 so I guess I have some.
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sawguy21

The provincial government is coming down hard on vaccine holdouts. We now need a digital vaccine passport by Sept 21 or be refused entry to indoor public places. Got mine online this morning in less than ten minutes and I'm no genius on a computer. It seems heavy handed but we are having a resurgence and too many people are refusing to cooperate. They will carry a drivers licence, a medical care card and a Costco membership card but ask them to show proof of vaccination and now their rights are being taken away by Big Brother. ::) I have to wonder how they will have scanners in place in such a short time.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

HemlockKing

In the name of "safety", we will revoke your rights. Been going on since the 70s, little here, little there, eroding of freedoms through regulations and by laws and now they're just straight up forcing a lot of people to inject whatever into them. I think this is something that should be encouraged but these domestic vaccine passports is crossing the freedom line. I'll double down on my stance too. Good thing I don't go out to bars or restaurants anyway, or travel. 
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sawguy21

Or supermarkets or hardware stores? Or the bank?
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Hilltop366

From what I read here in Nova Scotia they are talking about the proof of vaccine for indoor non-essential things like bars, theatres, restaurants ..... they will also be lifting gathering limits and mask mandates as well. They are talking about doing this on Sept.15 as it is expected to be at 75% fully vaccinated.

SwampDonkey

Here are the accepted tests when travelling to Canada. And testing is still required before entry.

COVID-19 testing for travellers - Travel restrictions in Canada ? Travel.gc.ca

PCR test is one of the accepted tests.
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firefighter ontheside

I'm working on planning a fishing trip to Ontario next June.  It looks like right now I have to show proof that I'm 14 days past an approved last dose, have a negative molecular test within 72 hours of crossing, be subject to random rapid testing at the border.  Not a huge deal, but sad that it has to be.
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HemlockKing

Quote from: sawguy21 on September 10, 2021, 05:16:30 PM
Or supermarkets or hardware stores? Or the bank?
Groceries are essential, pretty sure in NS hardware and banks will be too. I have human contact less than handful of times a week. 
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BradMarks

Statistics are what you make of them, pro or con.  Interpretation is for the individual.  Our county case rate has exploded dramatically and our fully vaccinated rate is around 64% currently.  Case numbers are inflated due to out of county cases being moved here, as we have four hospitals in the county. We are getting daily info in the newspaper, how many cases, how many infectious, how many hospitalized, how many in ICU, on ventilators, AND HOW MANY ARE VACCINATED. Currently in the past week, the Covid-hospitalized % that are vaccinated patients has run between 15-25%. For a vaccine(s) that is supposed to prevent serious illness and hospitalization, tell me why the hospital rate of the vaxxed is so high it itself?. And not the argument of "look how bad if you're not".  Statistics.  Doesn't that say the vaccine is not nearly effective as advertised?

HemlockKing

We have 75% vac rate on NS, one of the best rates over North America, still isn't enough for these people to just let things go back to normal. 
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doc henderson

It is hard to study.  do the remaining 25% already have immunity from natural disease?  if so, let it go.  At this point you are going to get the shot or the disease or both.  all the mitigation just keeps the hospitals able to handle the load. barely.  we have a 190 bed hospital but only enough nurses to staff 50 to 60 beds.  we have an 18 bed ED with plenty of docs and mid-levels, but have trouble increasing nursing staff to keep up.  we have the state fair this week.  I walked through a waiting area last night with at least 12 people waiting.  nothing I could do to help, as everyone was back in a room that could be taken.  The day we have 200 people at the front entrance of the ED, is when we lock the door with armed guards and only let in people as we can take them.  It has not got that bad yet in part due to the masks and the social distancing.  but only a percentage of people followed those guidelines.  day by day.
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stanmillnc

My wife works in the ICU and gets a daily update with COVID statistics from the hospital. Last few weeks averaged 96%+ of patients in the ICU with COVID have been unvaccinated. Can't speak to statistics in other areas of the country, but this is reality in Charlotte, NC. I waited 6 hours in the ER with a severed finger a few weeks ago because it was full of COVID patients with more serious conditions - docs told me they were all not vaccinated and thanked me for getting mine.

Paul_H

It must be a regional thing as there are several I know around here that have been double tapped but are sick as a dog including my Uncle Doug. Of course he got his back in the Spring so it may be losing it's effectiveness.
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doc henderson

It is not 100%.  of all the tests we do, only 1 in 9 + had a vaccine.  Most of these do not wind up in the hospital and die.  everyone's definition of really sick varies, and I assure you mine is quite severe.  I hope he survives and still think his chances are better having had the vaccine.  If you are older or have immuno-compromise it may not take as well.  
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