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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2019, 08:23:35 AM »
The survey was too restrictive with not enough options.  It was either "this"or "that" and did not address my sawing situations.
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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2019, 08:57:35 AM »
I have the saw and about 4 other tools.  after you get a charger and a couple batteries, the cost for additional tools is very little.  no noise or fumes.  can use it in my shop or in areas where gas saws are not used due to fire risk.  can use it inside my shop for rustic furniture.
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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2019, 09:06:27 AM »
Yep. Battery tools make life better. I just haven’t stepped up on the chainsaw yet. It’s a different battery world from my current crop. I wouldn’t mind having the chainsaw plus a blower and a trimmer for quick chores. 

Battery impacts have really made a big impact here. I still have to go to air for something that requires the 3/4 drive, but everything else gets the battery impact now.  
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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2019, 09:09:47 AM »
I took the survey though I'm not sure how useful my answers were considering my needs.

I like my cordless drills and I think the batteries and charging times have come a long way but for me the fun of running the chainsaw is the scream of the engine as it is cutting. 

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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2019, 09:39:37 AM »
Here is my few ideas regarding batterysaws: 

I do imagine that it would be a very handy tool to carry if one did operate a mill, as I see it beeing very handy for a "I just need to cut this" situation.

As far as proffesional use go, I do think there is a use for battery saws.
For example in a commcerial thinning situation, or "brashing", or like situations where one needs to cut branches of standing trees. This is where I can see the biggest use for things like this. 

For my own use, I do concider a larger Stihl battery saw, like the 160 or 200. I see the 220 is also beeing launched now. 

I have tended to carry my trusty MS200 with a 12" 1,3mm B/C option about 75% off all the time I`ve ventured into the woods this year. I have concidered getting a MS150 (Launched as the 151 now with the 3-gen M-Tronic). The 150 runs the same B/C as the batterysaws (at least here in Norway), and it seems to do the job, at least for smaller stuff.

The Husky batterysaws run a 12" 1,3mm B/C (here in scandinavia at least), and that seems to get the job done for things like commercial thinning and that kind of stuff.

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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2019, 12:06:36 PM »
I took the survey and yes the questions/answers can be manipulative. Like all surveys/polls.

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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2019, 12:21:29 PM »
I have the weed wacker, hedge trimmer, concrete/metal cut off saw, blower, and chain saw.  they start each time I pull the trigger.  batteries tend to go on sale with Stihl dealer days.  they make a backpack battery that will run all day for commercial stuff, but not sure the saws will hold up to all day long abuse.  My buddy has a mom in her 80s and she got the saw to trim low branches in her yard.  there is a home owner version with batteries inside and rechargeable but not removable.  Jim got the home owner hedge trimmer.  all of mine use the same removable rechargeable batteries.  will not replace a gas saw for big stuff, all day long stuff.  just like with a electric cars, if you love the concept you will put up with the short comings.  my batt saw is about as heavy as a gas small saw, if not heavier.
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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2019, 04:29:14 PM »
There is still improvements that can be made with electric motors. For example (from the Still Actual Rocket Science Dept) the electric fuel pumps on the NZ launched Electron rockets are 50 hp motors, spinning at 40,000 rpm. The actual motor is about the size of a Cola can.  It probably helps the cooling that they are pumping liquid oxygen, and they have a 1 mW output lithium battery to power the 18 pumps. Even then battery weight is an issue and the 2nd stage jettisons drained battery packs as it climbs to orbit. 

Getting launch contracts from NASA and Darpa must help with the funding, and being able to buy 3D printers that print titanium components in shapes that would be impractical to forge or machine normally. 

Tricky part would be to build a ~10 hp 3D printed titanium body electric chainsaw that you doesn't need a NASA sized budget to buy.  :D  The technology exists, the economics don't.  
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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 10:56:17 PM »
I bought the 20v max DeWalt chainsaw as I'm heavily vested in that platform.

Replace a gas saw? Maybe for a homeowner as I've used it for basic trimming and cleanup work and its' performed well.

I know there are bigger / better cordless saws out there, will they replace a gas saw in a constant use job (blocking firewood), no way, ain't going to happen.

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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2019, 01:01:43 AM »
it is known to everyone that gas saw needs more maintenance than battery powered saw. The main advantages of gas saw is its huge cutting power.

Till now, no battery powered saw is as powerful as a pro gas saw. I think in future, when battery will provide as much power as gas, the replacement will happen.

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Re: For Husky, Stihl, etc.... Is the chainsaw future battery powered?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2019, 08:18:55 AM »
Keep in mind battery operated tools are not without problems .First of all all batteries have a useful life then they either need replaced or rebuild .For example two DeWalt 18 volt replacements are around $100 which would buy a lot of gasoline and oil .
You can overload the capacity and burn up the motors or tear up the drive mechanics involved and basically turn it into a door stop .
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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2019, 09:41:36 AM »
I have one of the Oregon battery saws that I bought on a weak moment on eBay.  I will say that it surprised me with how much I can do with it.  It took all the limbs off a 30' evergreen on a single charge and seems to cut about as fast as a MS170 that I had.  It's good for certain odd jobs and that's all I can say about it.

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2019, 01:58:34 AM »
Thank you very much to everybody for their opinion! I understand better now where you see the chances and difficulties of battery powered chainsaws and why you (don't) see them replacing gas chainsaws in the future. You helped me a lot!

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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2019, 12:09:04 PM »
Gott

Not so fast, there lot of "dragon huggers and flat earth people" out there. They don't want change. You have to consider the new miracle fuels, E85, hydrogen, wood, and steam engine with batterys. The new saws will be some kind of a hybrid.

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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2019, 01:51:32 PM »
Just a matter of time. Car nuts don't want to like the "Tesla" but it takes quite a but of gas and / or diesel to out accelerate one.. :)

Right now battery power has essentially obsoleted the sub 35cc class of saws. For the vast majority of home owner/yard/camp work, saws like the Husqvarna 120i with its $270 dollar retail price point that included battery and charger make the entire concept of a cheap gas saw ridiculous. From the issues around storing gas, leaking gas, to alcohol attacking parts of the fuel delivery system....why even bother when you can just keep a couple of batteries changed and never have to worry about a choke and pull start, where I worked the road sign guy ditched the saws offered in favor of a cordless "sawzall" style tool!

The technology already exists and a couple of companies will roll out products as the market will absorb the concept into to the "50cc" class saws and there is one company not starting with "H" or "S" who thinks they have the ability to get into what we would see as the 70cc class....just have to wait and see, right? My guess is five years from now we will be arguing the case for battery over the 50cc class saws......:)
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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2019, 02:05:24 PM »
@weimedog In agreement on where things are going.  Like you I do think we'll see some mid range serious felling saws within 5 years.  At that point Stihl will be a chain manufacturer and producer of larger saws?  Husky and Stihl really are small engine makers, the rest of the saw is easy enough to produce but the engines take a beating.  Electric saws spin faster safety is going to be a concern, chaps need more work.
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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2019, 02:43:16 PM »
Things are heading down that road for sure @nativewolf .  

There are a lot of electrons around.  Quite a few of these electrons are loosely associated with their orbits and can be liberated to do work for us - electrical current.  The technology for doing that is advancing pretty rapidly.  Energy density and battery longevity is increasing all the time.  

There will be technological advances based on currently unknown science that will eventually provide electricity at densities and in quantities that are, for now, inconceivable.  We just don't now how long "eventually" will take.  It may take a week, or it could take a thousand years.  I'm guessing it's somewhere in between.  Most likely, chainsaws will be replaced by that time with some less-crude method of severing wood fibers.  I'm all for it.  But for now I'll have to use the most appropriate technology for a given task:  Shaped explosive charges.  :D  Or more likely, a gas-powered chainsaw.
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2019, 03:13:12 PM »
Most likely, chainsaws will be replaced by that time with some less-crude method of severing wood fibers. I'm all for it.
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2019, 03:25:25 PM »
 :D :D :D  :D  Exactly!  Or the phaser. Set on ‘humbolt notch’.  Three clicks up from ‘stun’. 




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I have been looking at these also and a pruning pole saw. The September 2019 issue of Popular Mechanics has a review of several brands that is informative. Not ready to pull the trigger yet.


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