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MS 400
« on: January 01, 2021, 06:22:46 PM »
anybody ever run one of these new saws , Looks pretty good from what I see online, if its ends up anything like how I got a 500i all you guys will have one before I do lol

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2021, 08:34:13 PM »
I was hoping they would have an arctic version, but apparently not.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2021, 08:44:46 PM »
They probably will if the current model is well received. I wonder if the price point will bite into MS460 sales or be an attractive alternative to the 362. Magnesium piston :o This thing should scream!
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2021, 07:55:50 AM »
everything Stihl is coming out with is not cheap on their pro saws, I'm sure were talking close to 2 years before we see it , sorry , before I see it lol

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2021, 12:41:48 PM »
Husqvarna is no cheap alternative, over $1700 bucks for FX550 with tax. Stihl 560 ain't no cheaper. Was $1200, 2 years ago. The talking head in Ottawa said no price gouging during pandemic. Wanna bet? Ain't going to stand up to his words neither, guarantee it.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2021, 03:11:43 PM »
So far here husky is cheaper than stihl on chainsaws but I'm sure they will close that gap fast 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2021, 08:58:43 PM »
Dealer owns both local shops here. Different company name over the doors, same owner. He can't get insured either, too many break ins. Sign by desk, not responsible for your stuff left here over night. ;D

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2021, 09:46:53 PM »
I will see but when one shows up I most likely will try one 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2021, 08:20:03 PM »
woodfarmer I have 3 or 4 462 arctics and they work ok, I have not seen a 500i arctic yet but I'm sure they will becoming . I think I'm going to phone my dealer tomorrow and order a ms400 , we should take a survey , I will never see it, everyone else will get one before me like the 500i , told its not coming to my part of ontario lol

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2021, 06:21:27 AM »
So I ordered a MS400 last week , guy that works for stihl says never heard of one BUT didnot say there is no such saw so we will see if anything shows up in the next 2 years

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2021, 06:49:03 AM »
dealer already has a 881 so maybe the 400 will show up sooner than I was thinking in Ontario

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2021, 10:23:20 AM »
woodfarmer I have 3 or 4 462 arctics and they work ok, I have not seen a 500i arctic yet but I'm sure they will becoming . I think I'm going to phone my dealer tomorrow and order a ms400 , we should take a survey , I will never see it, everyone else will get one before me like the 500i , told its not coming to my part of ontario lol
On the 500i the generator is under the flywheel just like the generator for the heated handles would be. I donít think youíll be see an artic version of the saw could be wrong but where are they going to pull the juice from?

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2021, 12:35:09 PM »
Not sure how much call for a 500i arctic anyways but I would buy one . The new 462 arctic I got last week works good but handles are not that warm but you can feel heat threw your gloves just not alot

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2021, 09:03:00 AM »
I think they are available in Europe, there is a price on the stihl website already. Price is Ä100,- more than a 362.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2021, 09:59:45 AM »
I heard they may show up in a month or so south of the border . I donot need one but when has that ever stopped me lol

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2021, 08:22:05 PM »
well got a MS 400 today , will put it to work here shortly and see how it does

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2021, 11:01:03 PM »
What does the displacement end up being? Iím not sure if itís going to be THE one.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2021, 07:41:18 AM »
67cc I think , its replacing the 362 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2021, 07:14:55 PM »
put a couple tanks threw it today , it seems to handle the 20 inch bar setup quite well and is pretty good on fuel , muffler started turning purple in the first tank as I was pushing on it abit but it liked it and ran well, once I get 20 tanks on it then I should know what I got , it is like running a real good 361 but with more torque so it has more power but its light to carry

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2021, 08:16:22 PM »
How does it compare with the 462? Seems awfully close in size and capability.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2021, 08:41:01 PM »
have to put some tanks thru it and see but at this point the 462 is faster as it should be 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2021, 12:47:07 AM »
I'll be watching for your updates.  I love my 361, my first saw,  way back when.  It's a good size for what I cut and just can't like the 362.  Hopefully your testing proves successful. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2021, 06:45:57 PM »
I need to put some time on it , Once I get a good week run time on it we will see  but so far I like it and I feel it will make a very nice climbing saw , its light and very smooth to run. Compression is starting to climb so thats a good sign as it didnot have much compression at the start

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2021, 06:46:36 PM »
its better than a 362 in my books and not by a little bit 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2021, 05:49:42 PM »
its still getting better and works pretty nice , sure is smooth . I was hoping to test it against my old 362 but Pete sold it so it will be against a 462

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2021, 11:56:19 AM »
@ehp Thanks Ed. I'm following this one closely as this saw is on my radar to replace my older non-cm 362.  I always appreciate your updates and feedback. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2021, 07:43:39 AM »
I figured it should be close to broken in now so yesterday I put it to work fairly hard and made her cut to see what it really has under the hood. . It did quite well  and pulled the 20 inch setup quite well.  Saw is good on fuel and pretty than a 462 by a far bit . I got oil pump at wide open but it still does not use much bar oil . It's does the job but abit more bar oil would not hurt . 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2021, 12:29:53 PM »
Well I guess it's time to buy as soon as my shop gets one in.  

The funny thing is, they are loaded with 500i, Non M tronic 661, 461, 462, 362 etc...Nothing is moving here.  I hope this does not make them pause when ordering the 400i once available. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2021, 06:34:42 PM »
It my weak and small mind a 362 is not in the same league as the 400 , 400 has more torque so a nicer saw to use . If your a firewood cutting kind of person honestly its all the saw you need , 20 inch light weight bar setup and your good to go and it should make a real good saw for guys climbing in trees where you need abit bigger saw

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2021, 07:49:39 AM »
I have cut quite abit of timber with this saw now , zero problems and it runs pretty nice and its light and real nice on the hands 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2021, 08:01:17 AM »
I'm not sure I quite understand it's place in the lineup. Ok, it's a replacement for the 362, but you're right at the edge of 462 territory, which is only slightly heavier, and has more power. Seems like they should have gone with the power of the 362 with lighter weight.

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Or go the other way, and have a saw around the 80cc mark that would bridge the 462 and 661.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2021, 11:52:30 AM »
they do, its called the 500i,  to me and this is just me but the 400 is a nicer saw to run than the 362 , its got more power and less vibs on the hands , I should be cutting bigger hardwood here in a day or 2 so that will tell me how its going to hold its own against the 462 . Right now I'm falling pine with the 400 and cutting up with a 462 , Power wise I cannot tell you cause the 462 on the landing is never as sharp as the 400 is but we will test them once Pete gets his 400 broken in and he also has a fairly new 462 along with 500i 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2021, 09:18:22 AM »
Hi all,

I am a firewood weekend warrior (5-10 cord a year) with a 261cm and am considering a second saw. Trying to decide between the 400, 462, and 500i and have been reading and watching everything I can about it. I was excited to see this thread, looking forward to hearing more about the experience and comparisons.

Thank you.

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2021, 04:01:45 PM »
Been cutting walnut last 2 days and I'm running the 400. It's not big walnut but the 400 seems to handle everything so far . Biggest tree would be 30 inches or so on stump so not big stuff.  I run a 20 inch bar setup on the 400 and if I was going to run a 24 inch bar I would move up to the 462 or the 500 .  The 400 does perfect with the 20 inch setup but I would be sure with the 24 inch it would be abit light on producing enough bar oil if what your is cutting is stuff light white oak or stuff is dead . . As far as a firewood saw the 400 is one of the top saws to choose in my mind . It's very nice to operate and it's cheaper than the 462 by abit and to me the 362 is not even in the same league as the 400. Only problem up here is they are very hard to find at stihl dealers 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2021, 04:59:40 PM »
I have an 18” mounted on the 261 and it seems perfect, I’ve tried both a 20” and 16” on it as well but really like the 18.

I’m planning to run a 20” ES light saw on whatever the second saw is so it’s great to hear your happy burying the 400 with a 20” bar so far.

The one reason I was considering the 462 was it is only slightly heavier with a bit more grunt. Then of course I started reading more and was convinced I should get the 500i since it was “not much heavier”.

Even went so far as to make a table with weights for those that are interested. I love this thread and thank you for sharing your experience thus far.

Weight - model
10.8 - 261
12.3 - 362
12.8 - 400
13.2 - 462
13.9 - 500i
14.6 - 441, 461

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2021, 10:29:25 PM »
20 inch bar on the 500i is kind of a waste of time , or waste of saw is more like it , 500i has alot more torque and is made to run a longer bar . I like the light weight 25 inch on mine , My buddy that has a 400 and 462 and 500 is the same as me , the ms 400 is just a nicer saw to run plain and simple 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2021, 11:27:54 PM »
Here are the vibrations level specs listed on the UK Stihl website for their pro saws. Pretty interesting as they reinforce your statements about the 400 being nice to run. 

The 261 has 3.5/3.5 m/s^2
The 400 has 3.5/3.5 m/s^2
The 462 has 4.8/3.6 m/s^2
The 500i has 4.2/4.0 m/s^2

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2021, 09:47:29 PM »
put the 400 threw some big hardwood today and it did very well for what it is , hard maple and walnut , it sure burnt more fuel today thou , 5 trees per tank was the average . I cut a fairly big walnut the other night with the 500i and it burnt a full tank just to cut the tree off the stump 

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2021, 10:16:44 PM »
thank you so much for continuing to post about it - it's getting real close to decision time for me on the second saw, the 400, 462, or 500i. Since I plan to run a 20" bar on it I am strongly leaning toward the 400 based on your comments here. The only thing I'm slightly hesitant about is fear of missing out on the 462 for only a few ounces more weight, though it sounds like based on your experience the 400 is a much more pleasant saw to run. The small form factor and AV numbers would agree with it but I just don't know as I haven't handled either the 400 or the 500 yet. The 462 made me feel like Paul Bunyan when swung it around with a 25" bar.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2021, 06:59:31 AM »
other thing to is the 400 is about $300 cheaper here than the 462

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2021, 08:21:51 AM »
I have cut quite abit of timber with this saw now , zero problems and it runs pretty nice and its light and real nice on the hands
I have read all your post to date and I think you got me sold.  I have three 362's now, love em.
But, got to move with the times.  I'm going to see about a 400.   Hope it works out as well for me.
Biggest problem I have lately is that all the "saw shops" I used to go to are now all "lawn and garden" places for home owners mostly.   Not enough loggers left around for the way the shops used to be I guess.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2021, 06:39:36 PM »
the 462 does have more torque but if the chain is sharp they cut not that much different , the 500i has quite abit more torque but alot more money and I prefer to cut with the 400 if I can, On big trees I do use the 500i so anything getting close to 40 inch on the stump I grab the 500i and I'm talking hardwood , mostly hard maple or walnut . On the bigger red oak I have been using the 400 as oak cuts easy 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2021, 07:13:25 PM »
Ed, how does the ms400 compare to the Husky 562, they're the same size lass aren't they?
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2021, 08:32:22 PM »
I do not have a stock 562 to test against , the 562's I got here are ported . The 400 is a very nice saw to run , could it use more power and that would be yes but I have never ran a saw where I thought I wanted less power 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2021, 08:34:33 PM »
400 is 67 cc where the 562 is 59cc , 562 is a screamer but in say 20 inch hardwood I'm not sure which is faster but I'm thinking the 400 has abit more torque

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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2021, 08:47:23 PM »
Itís only going to make sense, because of the old saying; theirs no replacement for displacement!
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2021, 11:07:30 PM »
I didn't realize the 400 was 67cc, I thought it was a replacement for the 362...aren't those 60cc class? I'm not really a Stihl guy, and I appreciate most saw manufacturers putting the cc of the saw in the model number for a simple yellow such as myself😁  I don't have a lot of time on my Husky 562, but it has become my go to saw. I regret I didn't get one years ago, it makes me smile every time I run it😊
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2021, 08:04:33 PM »
after holding the ms400 and ms500i I decided to go with a ms500i with a 20" light and 25" light bars. The 400 felt lighter obviously, but the 500 didn't feel overweight with the smaller lighter bars and as I've only got a 261 and now 500i, I felt like the 500i was a better compliment as it can run bigger bars in the future if I ever need one.

The first time I ran it I was a little shocked at the throttle response. The 400 felt great in the hands, too!

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2021, 06:57:09 PM »
saw is still working very well even in this 100 F heat , this 400 has cut alot of timber now and zero problems 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2021, 11:12:30 AM »
the 462 does have more torque but if the chain is sharp they cut not that much different , the 500i has quite abit more torque but alot more money and I prefer to cut with the 400 if I can, On big trees I do use the 500i so anything getting close to 40 inch on the stump I grab the 500i and I'm talking hardwood , mostly hard maple or walnut . On the bigger red oak I have been using the 400 as oak cuts easy
How does the plug look on the 400/462/500? My 462 seems to drink a lot of fuel from the amount of cutting I get out of a tank. I have noticed that it runs a very dark plug as well. Are you getting the same or more cutting out of a tank through the 400 vs the 462? Thanks!
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2021, 05:32:13 PM »
never had the plug out as I can tell just by the sound of the motor on how its running , I make my saws cut and not just cut away as I find they will run rich, the 500i is I find I got to make it cut to even get it to clear up on the sound , they run pretty rich . Watch the color of your muffler , if its not turning a blue/purple color your not pushing or making the motor work hard enough. AS far as fuel goes per tank  my 400 cuts more trees to a equal amount of fuel compared to the 462 . I just got my second 400 today, it finally came in 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2021, 11:57:38 AM »
another thing , its hard to say how many trees per tank comparing 1 saw to another of a different model cause the tank size is different in volume , one thing that is for sure is the 400 does not use much bar oil and I mean very little , I wished my 400 used abit more bar oil 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2021, 02:40:58 PM »
another thing , its hard to say how many trees per tank comparing 1 saw to another of a different model cause the tank size is different in volume , one thing that is for sure is the 400 does not use much bar oil and I mean very little , I wished my 400 used abit more bar oil
The tank to tank comparison of different size is exactly what I was getting at. If you can cut roughly the same amount of wood with a tank on each saw that would mean the 400 is significantly more fuel efficient because the tank is smaller (600vs.720ml). Pretty sure you can drop in a HO oiler control bolt from a 461 for better oil flow.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2021, 08:07:30 AM »
 Some swiss loggers told me that the 500i is a real fuel hog, they use the saw since 2-3years, so lots of experience.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2021, 09:38:03 AM »
Some swiss loggers told me that the 500i is a real fuel hog, they use the saw since 2-3years, so lots of experience.
They do use some fuel but really itís right on par with most saws of that size like a 390 husky.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2021, 10:49:02 AM »
I didn't find the 500i hard on fuel at all.  But what I did find is I had to make the saw cut to make it use the power it has .  

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2021, 12:05:21 PM »
A torque machine?
Too many irons in the fire

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2021, 12:54:01 PM »
Its ok on torque . Not as much as the 462 . Compression is not high on the 400 either so not great if you want torque . I have not touched the 400 I been falling with but maybe just maybe this other 400 might go under the knife . I wanted to see how the piston wears on the first 400 sense it's magnesium but so far its the same as the others 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2021, 12:54:38 PM »
500i is a light weight torque machine 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2021, 01:33:21 PM »
Anybody port one of these yet or know someone who has?
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2021, 02:30:18 PM »
I'm sure lots have . I got the new 400 on the table to get surgery .  I want abit more torque with the rpms 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2021, 03:12:55 PM »
She ported yet?
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2021, 04:05:54 PM »
maybe  ;D

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2021, 07:30:52 AM »
was at the dealer yesterday and they said the new MS400i is coming out and being tested in the USA, I have not seen a i model or heard anything about it but maybe guys in the USA have

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2021, 07:57:00 AM »
Iíd be interested in hearing how it is received by the end users. Iíd also be interested to hear what those famous saw shops think about them, because itís intriguing to me, and has been since I first heard about them. All ears ya know.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2021, 12:36:58 PM »
A 400i, Iím in. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2021, 03:52:43 PM »
The 2 main things I want changed on the 400 is first the trigger for the choke/start mode . My 400 does not like to hold close . The  MS 462 is alot better and feels good when you put it on . Next is I would like to see say 20% more bar oil from the oil pump . The 400 is a very very nice saw to use . Very easy on the shoulders and makes descent power . I have cut lots of 3 or 4 ft on the stump with mine and it's cut alot of timber now and got quite a few hours on it

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2021, 09:01:44 AM »
said the new MS400i is coming out and being tested in the USA
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i don't understand, what new 400i? is there a newer model coming out? you already have the 400i in use, right?
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2021, 08:31:28 AM »
I have ms 400C , this 400i model is to be like the 500i and be injected into the crankcase . Like I said I have never seen this i model or if its even true but the dealer said its out in test form in the USA

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« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2021, 10:09:57 AM »
ah, i thought that the 400 came out as a i and you already used them for some time. didn't know there is a C version
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2021, 12:51:06 PM »
Mine has 400c on the rewind cover . Your in a different country so who knows what you have lol  I have seen saws in the USA come with carbs like the 261 and others where we are mtronic only here

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #71 on: August 31, 2021, 08:04:18 AM »
We have squat here, dealer can't even bring a 500, 462, 400, ...in ::). I would love to buy a 500i, thinking of bringing one down from the US.

the newest models we get is, 260, 361 (which is a awesome saw, i have 2), 382 heavy turd from Brazil, 651 ( ::)never heard of this one), 660, 661, 780 ???  ???, 880. no Rollomatic or light bars, limited chains, no chainsawpants or other important ppe , it's like living in the 1970s
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2021, 04:35:00 PM »
Did something totally out of character for me today.
   I run 362's.  I have three of them.  I went to 362's about 20 months ago because of a shoulder injury and thought a  lighter saw would be  easier on it.   But I've been thinking of going back to a 462 because when I want to run a 24 inch bar the 362 just doesn't quite have the power I want. 

So I was at the saw shop today and as usual they had next to no logging saws but they did have a new 462 and, a 400.   What the heck is a 400?   So I looked it over, liked the balance.  Looked at the spec's, liked that to, splits the difference between the 462 and 362 and the next thing I know I bought it.  
What the heck was I thinking?  
The guy at the shop, Ive known him for years told me they have sold 8 or ten of them and so far none came back and what they have heard has been good.
So we'll see.  Taking it to the woods tomorrow.   Hope I don't regret my first impulse buy in many years.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2021, 06:45:01 PM »
I like my 400's alot more than the 362's I had 

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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2021, 07:31:24 PM »
I like my 400's alot more than the 362's I had
Only been one day but, me to so far.
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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2021, 07:47:32 PM »
Next is I would like to see say 20% more bar oil from the oil pump . The 400 is a very very nice saw to use . Very easy on the shoulders and makes descent power . I have cut lots of 3 or 4 ft on the stump with mine and it's cut alot of timber now and got quite a few hours on it
I agree with you on the oil pump. It ain't putting out enough.  Other than that though, after only one week running it in the woods, I got no complaints.
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Re: MS 400
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2021, 08:02:17 PM »
its fine if running a 20 inch bar on oil but I find a 24 inch bar does not get enough when cutting stuff like white oak , The husky 562 has the same problem . But I fell with the 462 yesterday and I sure can tell you the 462 uses quite abit more fuel compared to the 400 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2021, 10:01:41 PM »
Have any of you ever tried modding an oil pump for more output?
Too many irons in the fire

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2021, 06:16:24 AM »
I will once I get a second to pretty much breath , she is pretty much 7 days a week here and if its daylight enough I can see I'm cutting and piling in the dark

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2021, 10:05:07 PM »
one thing on the 462's both Pete and I have found and that is after say 3 or 4 months of running the ball that attaches to the gas cap comes out of its holder in the gas tank, not just may be one or 2 of the saws but everyone has done it and I think that on 10 of the 462's between us 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2021, 08:06:51 PM »
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I have a 261 and just recently a 500i which I have put a couple tanks through with a 20Ē Stihl light bar on the 500. I donít think Iíll be reaching for the 261 very much anymore for firewood. I do admit that the 500 gets heavy as I am not a big guy but it sure cuts the wood like butter. My question is do you think the 400 will be able to run hard and fast with the 20 light like the 500? Would I be able to lean into it without bogging it, or should I save my money and keep running the 500? I must have a disorder because I love my two saws and canít stop thinking about the 400. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2021, 09:11:05 PM »
The 400 will not cut with the 500 but using a 20 inch bar setup the 400 is not a long ways behind and the 400 is alot easier on your hands and shoulders , the 400 is alot like your 261 just with quite abit more power . The 400 is one of if not the nicest saw out there to run, good power and super light and real nice on your body  


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