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Re: MS 400
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2021, 08:41:01 PM »
have to put some tanks thru it and see but at this point the 462 is faster as it should be 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2021, 12:47:07 AM »
I'll be watching for your updates.  I love my 361, my first saw,  way back when.  It's a good size for what I cut and just can't like the 362.  Hopefully your testing proves successful. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2021, 06:45:57 PM »
I need to put some time on it , Once I get a good week run time on it we will see  but so far I like it and I feel it will make a very nice climbing saw , its light and very smooth to run. Compression is starting to climb so thats a good sign as it didnot have much compression at the start

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2021, 06:46:36 PM »
its better than a 362 in my books and not by a little bit 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2021, 05:49:42 PM »
its still getting better and works pretty nice , sure is smooth . I was hoping to test it against my old 362 but Pete sold it so it will be against a 462

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2021, 11:56:19 AM »
@ehp Thanks Ed. I'm following this one closely as this saw is on my radar to replace my older non-cm 362.  I always appreciate your updates and feedback. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2021, 07:43:39 AM »
I figured it should be close to broken in now so yesterday I put it to work fairly hard and made her cut to see what it really has under the hood. . It did quite well  and pulled the 20 inch setup quite well.  Saw is good on fuel and pretty than a 462 by a far bit . I got oil pump at wide open but it still does not use much bar oil . It's does the job but abit more bar oil would not hurt . 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2021, 12:29:53 PM »
Well I guess it's time to buy as soon as my shop gets one in.  

The funny thing is, they are loaded with 500i, Non M tronic 661, 461, 462, 362 etc...Nothing is moving here.  I hope this does not make them pause when ordering the 400i once available. 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2021, 06:34:42 PM »
It my weak and small mind a 362 is not in the same league as the 400 , 400 has more torque so a nicer saw to use . If your a firewood cutting kind of person honestly its all the saw you need , 20 inch light weight bar setup and your good to go and it should make a real good saw for guys climbing in trees where you need abit bigger saw

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2021, 07:49:39 AM »
I have cut quite abit of timber with this saw now , zero problems and it runs pretty nice and its light and real nice on the hands 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2021, 08:01:17 AM »
I'm not sure I quite understand it's place in the lineup. Ok, it's a replacement for the 362, but you're right at the edge of 462 territory, which is only slightly heavier, and has more power. Seems like they should have gone with the power of the 362 with lighter weight.

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Or go the other way, and have a saw around the 80cc mark that would bridge the 462 and 661.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2021, 11:52:30 AM »
they do, its called the 500i,  to me and this is just me but the 400 is a nicer saw to run than the 362 , its got more power and less vibs on the hands , I should be cutting bigger hardwood here in a day or 2 so that will tell me how its going to hold its own against the 462 . Right now I'm falling pine with the 400 and cutting up with a 462 , Power wise I cannot tell you cause the 462 on the landing is never as sharp as the 400 is but we will test them once Pete gets his 400 broken in and he also has a fairly new 462 along with 500i 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2021, 09:18:22 AM »
Hi all,

I am a firewood weekend warrior (5-10 cord a year) with a 261cm and am considering a second saw. Trying to decide between the 400, 462, and 500i and have been reading and watching everything I can about it. I was excited to see this thread, looking forward to hearing more about the experience and comparisons.

Thank you.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2021, 04:01:45 PM »
Been cutting walnut last 2 days and I'm running the 400. It's not big walnut but the 400 seems to handle everything so far . Biggest tree would be 30 inches or so on stump so not big stuff.  I run a 20 inch bar setup on the 400 and if I was going to run a 24 inch bar I would move up to the 462 or the 500 .  The 400 does perfect with the 20 inch setup but I would be sure with the 24 inch it would be abit light on producing enough bar oil if what your is cutting is stuff light white oak or stuff is dead . . As far as a firewood saw the 400 is one of the top saws to choose in my mind . It's very nice to operate and it's cheaper than the 462 by abit and to me the 362 is not even in the same league as the 400. Only problem up here is they are very hard to find at stihl dealers 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2021, 04:59:40 PM »
I have an 18” mounted on the 261 and it seems perfect, I’ve tried both a 20” and 16” on it as well but really like the 18.

I’m planning to run a 20” ES light saw on whatever the second saw is so it’s great to hear your happy burying the 400 with a 20” bar so far.

The one reason I was considering the 462 was it is only slightly heavier with a bit more grunt. Then of course I started reading more and was convinced I should get the 500i since it was “not much heavier”.

Even went so far as to make a table with weights for those that are interested. I love this thread and thank you for sharing your experience thus far.

Weight - model
10.8 - 261
12.3 - 362
12.8 - 400
13.2 - 462
13.9 - 500i
14.6 - 441, 461

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2021, 10:29:25 PM »
20 inch bar on the 500i is kind of a waste of time , or waste of saw is more like it , 500i has alot more torque and is made to run a longer bar . I like the light weight 25 inch on mine , My buddy that has a 400 and 462 and 500 is the same as me , the ms 400 is just a nicer saw to run plain and simple 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2021, 11:27:54 PM »
Here are the vibrations level specs listed on the UK Stihl website for their pro saws. Pretty interesting as they reinforce your statements about the 400 being nice to run. 

The 261 has 3.5/3.5 m/s^2
The 400 has 3.5/3.5 m/s^2
The 462 has 4.8/3.6 m/s^2
The 500i has 4.2/4.0 m/s^2

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2021, 09:47:29 PM »
put the 400 threw some big hardwood today and it did very well for what it is , hard maple and walnut , it sure burnt more fuel today thou , 5 trees per tank was the average . I cut a fairly big walnut the other night with the 500i and it burnt a full tank just to cut the tree off the stump 

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2021, 10:16:44 PM »
thank you so much for continuing to post about it - it's getting real close to decision time for me on the second saw, the 400, 462, or 500i. Since I plan to run a 20" bar on it I am strongly leaning toward the 400 based on your comments here. The only thing I'm slightly hesitant about is fear of missing out on the 462 for only a few ounces more weight, though it sounds like based on your experience the 400 is a much more pleasant saw to run. The small form factor and AV numbers would agree with it but I just don't know as I haven't handled either the 400 or the 500 yet. The 462 made me feel like Paul Bunyan when swung it around with a 25" bar.

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Re: MS 400
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2021, 06:59:31 AM »
other thing to is the 400 is about $300 cheaper here than the 462


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