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Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« on: January 18, 2021, 08:36:05 PM »
Hello,  I am looking at a 201 C and I am thinking this is the right choice for me, but I am a little bit worried about the C part of this saw.  Does the timing and carburetor control system act as a trim function for the saw engines performance, or can it fail and cause a no start or such poor performance to make the saw useless.  I see that there are updates that the dealer can perform on the software, but what happens when they stop supporting the software due to age of the saw.  Does this system make the carburetor more expensive to rebuild or replace?  Does it have mechanical back up to timing control? Or am I worrying about a system that is solid and reliable and no need to worry about it? How long has Stihl been using this version of emission control?   I tend to keep my tools around as long as I can. I still run a Stihl 066 Magnum I bought new in 1990 and a Husqvarna 266XP from 1985.  My saws are used weekly, but not daily.

The plan for the 201C is to help reduce the use of the 339XP.  I wanted a light weight saw, short bar and reliable performance.  

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2021, 06:34:26 PM »
Well how about a different question.  What are the thoughts on the CS2511P Echo ($399.00) for a lightweight trim on the ground saw?  Or for the added weight and larger engine is the 439XP ($410.00 ?)or 201C ($700.00) a better choice?   Kicking around which way would be a good investment.  

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2021, 08:13:14 PM »
Regarding the 201C, it's the M you're concerned about. C is for comfort. Not sure what that really means these days. AV is pretty much standard. The M is for Mtronic, which is the computer control of the saw. I have two Mtronic saws, and no problems. You don't have to fool with it. Unless you have some highly unusual needs, the computer will handle tuning under changing conditions. If something happens to the computer, I believe Stihl is the only one that can fix it. As far as the future goes, your guess is as good as mine. Mtronic hasn't been around long enough to get "vintage" or "antique" status.

Regarding the cs2511p. I have the top handle version, and it's my favorite saw. Dependable, and a good runner within its range. It's 25cc, so it has limits, but the lightness makes up for it. You can bury the 12" bar, but you'll have to exercise patience, and don't force it. ≤8" is it's ideal cutting range.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2021, 08:12:16 AM »
Thank you for the information. I appreciate the input.  I was worried about the computer control system when the selling dealer mentioned updates to the software.  Sounds like it is a system I do not need to worry about.  The dealer has the 2511P coming in the first week of February.  I have never owned an Echo product, but with the reviews I am willing to give the little saw a try.  I am most interested in the weight savings.   

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2021, 10:37:42 AM »
I bought the MS151 TC for a lightweight top handle saw that does not have the Mtronic.  It's comparable to the echo, but probably costs more. 

It's a well built saw and light. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2021, 03:20:37 PM »
A local dealer close to my shop has a 151ce and cs-2511p so I can check both out and see what I think.  Thanks snobdds for the information on the 151.  

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2021, 05:46:22 PM »
My wife picked up and handled the Echo 2511P her comment "I could use and handle this"!  Excellent now I have a helper.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2021, 07:38:47 PM »
I use a 201T CM at work and its a great little saw. I have seen mention of the non-top handle 201 and that could be quite handy. While Im sure the weight is minuscule I would opt for a 261 if I was getting a traditional rear handle saw. With the rear handle I would think the 201 would be very easy to bog down and have a saw that appears to be less than acceptable. With the top handle you really cant do that.

About your question...we have several saws with the M-tronic feature and have never had a problem with them.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2021, 07:52:59 PM »
Thank you Clark, I appreciate the added information.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2021, 10:58:43 PM »
lxskllr,

On your 2511 Top handle.  Does it have the summer / winter slide to close off the air vents to reduce air circulation and retains more heat near the carburetor and intake.  I noted this feature on the 2511P.  I suspect it is to control carburetor icing.  I cut in Minnesota and Cut often in cold weather, which is nice working weather.  Typically I do not run into running issues, but thought maybe this small engine is not producing enough heat an Echo thought this feature was needed.  Also did you leave the spur sprocket or switch it to rimmed?  Echo bar or Oregon? I see there are updated chain options coming out to replace the Low Profile 3/8" .050"  

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2021, 11:18:43 PM »
 

 

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2021, 11:59:06 PM »
Good question! I happened to sitting near my manual for the saw and looked. It has a shutter. I haven't used it yet. Just kinda forget about that stuff til I have a problem and remember. It hasn't given me any problems, but it isn't saw I'm running constantly, so perhaps it doesn't have a chance to ice up. It's also a constrained chassis, so it might warm itself enough when it's turned off to keep it going when restarted. I had it out a month ago doing a fair amount of work in a tree, and it was probably 34F. No problems.

I'm not sure if a rim is available for this saw in 3/8lp. That would be something I'd be interested in. I asked once about this, or maybe my cs400, and was told it's too small to use a rim. Dunno. Doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I didn't find one in a quick search, so I dropped the idea. I might look again. A spur isn't the worst thing in the world, but I prefer rims.

I use a WoodlandPro bar on it. It has a broader nose, so it makes boring a little easier. That's a discount brand from Baileys. I use them on all my small saws. I like them better than the stock bars. They aren't anything amazing, but they're at least as good as the stock bars, which also aren't amazing.

1/4" pitch is kinda popular with arborists for the smaller kerf, and smoother cut, but I like the robustness of 3/8lp, and I have all the stuff to support that size. I use Stihl pm chain. The stock chain was some kind of Oregon(can never remember their numbering), and it was grabby/chattery til it was worn in a bit. I'm not a fan of Oregon chain anyway, and I especially didn't like that particular chain on this saw.

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2021, 03:53:27 PM »
Ran three tanks of fuel through the 2511P and two though the 339xp.  I have no complaints about that little 25cc Echo yet.  Lots of plastic on it, but it cuts nice, runs and idles great.  You can stall the chain if it's buried in red oak, but you have to try to do it.  I was impressed with it today.  My back was happy with the under 6 lb Echo.   

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2021, 06:08:08 PM »
Echo 2511P



 

 

 

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2021, 06:13:59 PM »
I did run the Echo with the vents in the winter mode.  Sunday I will switch it to Summer and see if it idles or runs any different.  

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2021, 06:36:02 PM »
Cute little things, aren't they? A real joy to use, and barely like work.

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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2021, 06:41:55 PM »
Cute little things, aren't they? A real joy to use, and barely like work.
Reminds me of a Lady Bug.  But it does cut!

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Re: Stihl 201C
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2021, 06:50:55 PM »
used my little cs 271t to put hash marks on a downed tree i was going to buck up .--one hand on 20" stick , the other on the 271---real handy for that. ****( i think echo hijacked this topic )****

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2021, 07:00:03 PM »
used my little cs 271t to put hash marks on a downed tree i was going to buck up .--one hand on 20" stick , the other on the 271---real handy for that. ****( i think echo hijacked this topic )****
Yes I think I used a poor choice for a thread title.  I was looking for a lite weight saw to replace the 339XP.  But after reading and researching I think the cs261c-m would be better for me than the 201c.   The 339XP is a whole different story, dealer sold be the wrong carb kit.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2021, 10:21:25 PM »
I was able to edit the thread title.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2021, 09:00:29 AM »
Once I saw the thread title change adding Echo I had to read it! ;D
I am a fan of a small saw for certain work.  I have a CS341 I have had for a while and it is great.  If Something should happen to it I would check out the 2511 as I have heard good things about them.  Nothing against Stihl but from my use the 
Echo fits the bill and keeps the 'bill' a bit lower! :)

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2021, 09:33:55 AM »
I use Stihl for big saws and echo for little. I like both, and it gives me a chance to use both. On consumer level saws, I suspect echo has the higher quality. I get the feeling you pay a Stihl tax to get orange and white colors made in China. AFAIK, all echo's stuff is made in Japan.

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I've never used a consumer Stihl saw, and only held one long enough to sharpen a chain for someone else, but based on manufacturing I've seen elsewhere, premium names command premium prices, even when it isn't deserved. IOW, some of the money you pay is going towards the sticker on the side, and not the stuff *inside* that matters.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2021, 11:01:34 AM »
That's a cool looking small saw; thanks for the pics. Probably a great little saw for breaking down tops.

Just curious, but what avg size wood to you like to cut with that? And what do you think the upper end is for that saw? And do you have anything in between that and the 266; it's quite a gap. (and an excuse to have another saw of course)
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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2021, 11:08:02 AM »
 

15 F and run the 2511 with air vents is summer mode.  It has a very slight hesitation on throttle up from idle to wide open throttle that is not apparent when vents are in the winter position.  I do not think this is carburetor icing, but more of an air/fuel flow that is affected by the warmer intake air hanging around the carb and air filter as it revs up.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2021, 11:13:00 AM »
That's a cool looking small saw; thanks for the pics. Probably a great little saw for breaking down tops.

Just curious, but what avg size wood to you like to cut with that? And what do you think the upper end is for that saw? And do you have anything in between that and the 266; it's quite a gap. (and an excuse to have another saw of course)
I have a Stihl 066 with 20" and 32" bars.
The Husqvarna 266xp has 18" and 20"
The Husqvarna 339xp in 13"
Echo 2511 with 12".
Also a Polan Pro, Craftsman and a small old green saw.  All of them work and cut, but nothing compares to the pro saws for getting the work done with less fatigue.
Have a Husqvarna pole saw also.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2021, 11:27:20 AM »
 

 

I cut for firewood to heat with.  Try to keep the dead falls under control.  Been in the same place since 1985 and I never run out of fire wood.  I help the neighbors with the ones that need to come down or the ones the wind takes down. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2021, 11:40:43 AM »
Helping the neighbor type of job.  My help and equipment for the firewood.  I like the trade off.  Cutting and splitting is good for me.  I am relaxed when doing this type of work and enjoy it.

 

 

 

  

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2021, 11:57:46 AM »
That lift is pretty fancy. How do you come to have that as a non pro? Use it for your regular job, or have it just cause it's useful?

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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2021, 12:28:45 PM »
Rented the lifts when needed.   I have only needed the lifts on 4 trees that were too close to homes.  Otherwise I have space to drop them.  If I am not comfortable with where I need to drop it, then I use a lift.  Tornado clean up is also a common task.

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2021, 10:19:12 PM »
The 2511P makes easy work of the cuts under 7" diameter.  If you need to cut larger diameter it will do it, but a bigger saw is a better tool for that type of work.  I had to sharpen the chain today.  My fault for the chain damage.  We had a fresh 5" of snow last night and I went to work on a pile of red oak that had been piled with a grappler.  I did not know or see the 1/2 diameter braided cable till the damaged had been done.  Mad at myself.  But 5 minutes with a 5/32" file and back to work.

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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2021, 06:49:15 PM »
That's a cool looking small saw; thanks for the pics. Probably a great little saw for breaking down tops.

Just curious, but what avg size wood to you like to cut with that? And what do you think the upper end is for that saw? And do you have anything in between that and the 266; it's quite a gap. (and an excuse to have another saw of course)
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2021, 07:12:38 PM »
I should just quit reading these posts! I thought between my 044 and 261 Stihls I'll never need or want anything else for my firewood cutting BUT now I just might need that 2511P for the 5" and under stuff. I could probably just put it with the others in the shed and she wouldn't even know. :D
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2021, 01:18:26 PM »
So the Echo 2511P has this feature that you use the pull start handle as a tool to aid in removal of the gas and oil caps for refueling.  I thought it was silly.  Well guess what.  I find myself using that silly feature!

Have not even fired up the Husqvarna 550XP.   Been working this little Echo.  Three more tanks through it today.  So far it is doing what I wanted it for.  1" to 7" is a great range of diameter for this saw cutting red oak.  In that range there is no stalling the chain.  Bar length and greater you need to let the weight of the saw do the cut.  With pressure it will stall the chain.  To recap, I am happy so far.  More time will tell.

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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2021, 02:54:34 PM »
 

38 seconds for that cut.  

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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2021, 12:50:52 AM »
Finally set the 2511P down and started using the 550XP.  Not trying to compare the two as they are in different class as far as intended use.  Twice the cc displacement, and twice the weight.  But 1/2 the cutting time through the same logs.  So in my younger days the 550XP could be an all day saw.  But now I need the weight reduction for my back.

I do like the flip up gas and oil caps.  Easy to use.  



 

16 seconds for cut in same log as the 2511P cut.  

Makes more sense to use the correct tool for the job and know when to switch saws.

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2021, 05:55:01 AM »

 Have you opened up the muffler yet?  On youtube  cut times went from 17 seconds to 11 second by opening up the muff.  Steve
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2021, 07:46:03 AM »
I have not opened up the muffler.

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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2021, 08:26:06 AM »
Is the exhaust restriction at the outlet?  Or is the muffler itself not flowing freely?  If the exhaust is opened up, and Engine rps increase, does the air fuel ratio in main metering need to be made richer?

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2021, 08:52:31 AM »

 Take a look on you tube, there vids of modding the 2511p muffler. Every Echo saw get I open up the muff , pull the limiter caps and tune good.  Most times it's round a 30% increase in cutting speed. I think Echo  clogs up the muff and tunes lean to get by EPA regulations.  Steve
 
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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2021, 09:01:43 AM »
I stopped at the local Echo dealer to get a new pull rope for my Simplicity snow blower and he forced me into going over to the chainsaw wall  :D he didn't have the 2511P, just the top handle although he said he will in a few weeks. That is a cute little saw, I believe the top handle 2511 was almost $400.00, does that sound right?
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2021, 09:06:09 AM »
Yup, that's what I paid. It's considered part of their pro line, so the prices are higher than you might otherwise assume. The "X" series are what they consider their pro tools.

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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2021, 10:00:59 AM »
I paid $415.00 with that upgraded bar 12" and three oregon chains.  Dealer had tools and extra air filter in the bag with the owners manual.  Not sure if that was him being thoughtful and proactive, or if ECHO includes the extra air filter.    The same dealer did this also with the 550XP Mk. II  I'll ask him about these extra air filters.   The 2511P was $399.00 with the stock bar.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2021, 11:44:48 AM »
Sounds like you have a good dealer.  I have about 15 tanks of fuel through my 2511 now, and it runs noticeably better than new.  It is always the first saw I load if I am heading out with saws.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2021, 10:25:45 AM »
Just an update after several months of use.  Now that the newness had worn off.

The fuel and bar oil caps are okay, but having to use the recoil handle as an aid in leverage for removal is an extra step.  I like the Husqvarna 550xp caps much more.

The saw always starts easy, runs and idles great.  Very light weight.  It is excellent for the 4-5" trimming and clean up work.  

So in a nutshell, I am still happy with this saw and it's usefulness.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2021, 12:06:14 PM »
Yea, I'm not super fond of the caps either, but I'm one of the weirdos that likes flippy caps. There's a narrow range between loosy leaky, and using the pull handle to free them. They're also more prone to getting bits of crud on the gasket causing leaks. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but there's room for improvement. At least the holes are big. It's very easy to fill without making a mess.

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Re: Stihl 201C - Echo2511P
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2021, 11:09:31 AM »
 

 Used the 2511P and 550xp to get the wood pile stocked up for the next heating season.  That 2511P is nice to have handy for cleaning up the annoying limbs.


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