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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2021, 01:34:38 PM »
My Stihl ms 290 saw, fs 85r wacker , and backpack blower were all hard starting.  That's  why I switched  to all Echo products and would never go back to Stihl after experiencing the difference. 
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2021, 02:15:31 PM »
I never let mine idle unless I set it down to throw a limb out of the way. I like to let it warm up about 10 seconds then it wants to start sawing.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2021, 04:09:46 PM »
There does seem to be an "Art" to starting them. 

From cold it's setting full choke, then pull them over a few times until it "pops". You aren't trying to start them at that point, so you don't have to be very energetic, and a slower pull will do the job. I figure this "primes" the carb, and it now has fuel in it. Then flick the lever to the actual "starting" position, and it should start  with 2 or 3 more pulls. Some other saws do start easier, but at least my Stihl is consistent. 

Warm should be no problem, don't use the full choke, push the lever to full choke, but bring it back to the start position before you pull. Might take one pull, or 3, but it should fire up fine. 

Where I sometimes mess up is if the saw has sat for 10 minutes or so. Now is it "warm", or has it cooled off  ???  If you guess wrong then, you can flood it.  So I usually try the warm start. If that doesn't work, then ONE pull of full choke, and back to the warm start usually gets it going. 
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2021, 04:34:11 PM »
I have never had any problem starting any Stihl that I have had or the FD has had.  They have all started exactly the same if you follow the start up procedure in the manual.  The only thing I ever had trouble with was my Stihl string trimmer.  I got rid of it because it would not start.
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2021, 04:12:39 AM »

 Out on saw jobs I see a lot of Stihls hard to start even after being run earlier, some start good.  Steve 
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2021, 06:42:26 AM »
welderskelter ,No, stihl saws aren't always hard to start. Mine have always started easy and I had never heard of anybody having trouble starting one until this thread. I can recomend an electric chainsaw to replace your smaller saws. A friend of mine use to keep one plugged up at the tail of his mill for trimming ,just hit the trigger and cut.Worked great and  saved alot of starter rope.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2021, 09:32:21 AM »
Grabber Green, I dont have any trouble starting my stihls. It just seems like the 10 pulls it takes to start mine is too much. I thought when I started this that I would find some guys that had already solved the problem for me and I wouldnt have to invent the wheel to do it.( An electric chainsaw. Now thems fighten words.) Ha. :snowball:                                
I thought about getting a Husky for a starter motor. :D
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2021, 09:36:55 AM »
None of the suggestions above help at all?
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2021, 12:30:07 PM »
btulloh. Yes they might. Only I have just changed the plug. And the way I start mine is pretty much as everybody else says. I do clean the air filter regularly.  Dont know what else to do. Thanks everybody.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2021, 01:52:14 PM »
I thought about getting a Husky for a starter motor.


Well at least you'll have a dependable starter motor! :)
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2021, 09:50:19 PM »
Pulling it over slowly with the choke on does not help?   ???  Made a BIG difference with my 372 husky. 
I also have a new 450 that I do the same thing. The slow start. That sometimes will catch and start on me.
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2021, 05:21:35 AM »
Only Stihl I've run was a clearing saw. Never started hard. Push in decompression. Prime 3 or 4 times, two pulls. And the pulls was short not like starting a lawn mower. Couple quick snaps and you're off. Husqvarna was some getting used to, on those choke/switch button gizmos. Push decompression, prime 5 times, 3 or 4 light pulls, then she fired up. And it don't run smooth at first either, same with their clearing saws, gotta trigger feed it a few times for it to wake up. And that's brand new to. Now if we had the real Husqvarnas without those primer bulbs and switch gizmos you'd see a world of difference start'n them. You can't always improve upon what already worked, you just make a mess of it. :D
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2021, 05:51:24 AM »
I was being a goofball before, but on the serious side, some of this is often the case of guys getting older and not being able to to snap the rope as quick as they used to. And looking at the age of some of the posters, I wonder if that's part of it. Please don't anyone get offended. But this happens quite frequently in the shop. Often with someone I've known for years. Natural to think it must be the saw, but blanket statements suggesting everything a company makes being hard to start means we ought to look at the bigger picture.

Ignition coils need certain RPM's to fire at all. Traditionally, most saws would fire at about 1400-1500 RPM's. Less than that and there's just no spark. Some newer coils fire at 700 RPM's. This is the deal on some of the newer Huskys without a deco on them. Decos have their own downside in that they make the saw easier to pull, but now you're trying to start a saw with minimal compression. A problem that's worse with both new saws that aren't broken in and older saws that might be getting tired.

One thing we can't see here is anyone attempting to start a saw. When I run into this at the store, I usually ask a customer to "show me how you start it". It's then obvious if they are struggling to pull the starter rope. Then I have to diplomatically explain what's going on. As I'm almost 65 myself, I say "we" when talking about getting old. Can't just start the saw and embarrass the guy.

This is something to consider as we get older, among a whole list of things we'll all be dealing with. Part of life.
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2021, 05:58:33 AM »
Chainsaws are like women. They are all sisters  but not identical twins .Some no matter what brand or age you just have to handle differently .Stihl as a whole aren't any harder to start than any other brand .
Three examples ,038 Magnum ,modified .On a cold start maybe 10 pulls .After first start nearly every time on one .Stihl 024 usually 5 or 6  cold ,1  or 2 warm .Husqvarna 2100 CD .Cold  1 with the choke ,after just one no choke else it will flood .maybe 4 or 5 after .BTW you do not want to flood a 99 cc chainsaw with no de-comp . :o
Stihl blower and weed wacker .Usually 3 or 4 prime bulb, choke .They always start easy .

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2021, 06:07:51 AM »
To add to what Spike said what will help is a D-Handle where you can get a good grip on .Of all I've ever used the D from a Stihl 460 rescue saw is the best I've found .
A story on hot mags .My modified 038 mag will fire on a relatively slow pull .It nearly pulled good old Fred ( Stihl Boy ) through the recoil once .I scolded him .Any time you see a D on a chainsaw it's on there for a reason .These are not the trim the apple tree in the back yard twice a year type saws .

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2021, 07:58:00 AM »
I should have said the ms261cm is the sole exception to this starting method.  For a cold start move lever all the way down and crank it.  Let it idle 3-5 minutes and it's ready to work.  For a warm start, don't do anything but pull the rope!
That sounds like an awful long time at idle, I don't think I let mine idle more than 20 seconds before I blip it a time or 2 and get cutting.
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2021, 09:06:39 AM »
I could go back in and have coffee if I let my saw warm up for that long!😂😂
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2021, 12:53:43 PM »
Maybe I'm letting mine idle too long.  I know a 2 stroke air cooled engine is different than a 4 stroke water cooled engine.  But, I was thinking with the longer idle time that the bearings, piston and rings would be pretty much heat soaked before I started making heavy cuts with the saw, thereby helping the saw to last many more years.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2021, 01:25:40 PM »
I wouldn't say what you are doing is incorrect, just that most of us are too impatient to leave ours idling😊
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2021, 08:54:58 PM »
The Amsoil crowd give me the raspberries about my old school 32 to 1 mix .They fail to realize my saws seldom idle so how could they carbon up ? ;D


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