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« on: August 11, 2021, 03:09:55 PM »
Funny what happens when you spend a day or three on a saw. Learn all kind of things. SO I was "re-engaging" with saws a bit, watched a couple of video's because that's my "TV" or movie time. Had one making a big case about long bars and related saw setups......and it was playing in my mind as I was working....does that "wisdom" from a very influential YouTuber play here? On my farm? Doing what I do? How about my customers? Do I reconfigure all my saws to a more "YouTube" spec setup and will that be more productive? Hay, I have an open mind...:) But ultimately empirical data rules my decisions. So JUST getting back into the woods. A PERFECT time to consider whole sale changes on saw setup OR re-learn lessons from the past that have guided me to this point in time....so this video is about that. Follow with trends defined by the more influential saw guys, or just fall back into familiar patterns...

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2021, 03:13:59 PM »
If I half to cut firewood laying on the ground I will say although not necessary I enjoy a Longer bar so I donít need to bend over(back problems). 
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2021, 03:19:41 PM »
If I half to cut firewood laying on the ground I will say although not necessary I enjoy a Longer bar so I donít need to bend over(back problems).
I sell log length to a guy using a processor :) And being old, when it really counts or I have a few logs, I use a tractor to lift the logs when bucking to keep the chain out of the dirt and make things more accessible to me.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2021, 05:20:10 AM »
Iíve cut a lot of ground youíd be back barring all day if you didnít have a full wrap. To the bar length a 28 or 32 on those little 562ís makes a nice light little falling saw once the oem west coast dawgs are replaced.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2021, 10:07:28 AM »
Bait.

It's interesting that there's this perceived and often perpetuated 'war' going on against west coast rigged saw people and basically, everyone else.

Truth be told, we don't care how you guys rig your saws and we're not advocating that you 'west coast rig' your saws. We have told you patiently, why we cut the way we do and why our saws are rigged the way they are.

Maybe it would make more sense, Walter, to quit stirring the pot. Rig your saws however it works best for you and just be happy about it.

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2021, 10:43:10 AM »
2 very different worlds, why would the saws be set up the same?
Too many irons in the fire

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2021, 10:56:29 AM »
Exactly! Rig your saw the way it's comfortable and efficient for your cutting endeavors........

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2021, 11:33:34 AM »
Exactly! Rig your saw the way it's comfortable and efficient for your cutting endeavors........

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Which was the point of the video. So I guess I don't understand the "war" comment or stir the pot reaction & mentality. A lot of smart folks have picked over a lot of options for a very long time. So embrace what works, even show it off.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2021, 12:53:19 PM »
Put this one together back when I was doing those kit saws ( Jump in 3 minutes or so ) He has since moved on to HTSS 372's, 562's and 572's as weight is the issue more than anything now.  Everyone has a technique that fits their budget & requirements, most of the "big guys" are all mechanical. Being a farmer & small guy, this is also how I've done the same for years, only my tractor is an old beater John Deere :) And I'm now only using 372 builds or 562's when it isn't Hobby time.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2021, 01:14:59 PM »
No competent saw user on any forum I know of is pushing or advocating the use of large dawgs, large cc saws and full-wrap handles for the average cutter.

On the contrary, those of us that use those and are used to it, are continually asked to defend why we do. They are merely TOOLS that we use to make our day-to-day scale. It makes absolutely no sense to advocate their use for the average cutter in smaller timber.

If the 'collectors' want to brag about long bars, full-wraps and big dawgs, so be it.....they don't have a clue about actual use day-to-day.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2021, 01:56:07 PM »
Guess we are on the same page then. I really like to see how others cutters evolve to do what they do, often interesting commentary. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2021, 10:12:25 AM »
1988 I had a chance to start out as a timber faller apprentice for Mac Bloedel at Sayward on northern Vancouver Island.  I even took a tour with a faller where he was working on his day off.
I quickly came to realize I have no desire to hand fall in the PNW.
Underbrush 5 feet over my head a rabbit couldn't run through (Johnny Horton, Battle of New Orleans :D)
Big timber with root flairs chest high and you could fall 10 feet into a root hole and no one would ever find you.

Nope I'm a Manitoba flat lander and this is where I decided to stay :D
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2021, 03:00:38 PM »
It wasn't that bad.....but you either got into it or went on to something else. Rain was always problematic. Springboards make quick work of those large root mass trees. Without them, you're more or less like beavers gnawing on the base....lol.

By comparison, you guys that climb and top, my hat's off to you. That's something I never had any interest in.

Also, it was very cool to watch the 'orange invasion' come through the various shows. Started out MAC and the big Homies...then Squeals and then Husky devoured them all. Maybe not that way these days, but that's the way it was then.

I was a faller when the Husky 2100CD came out and time and time again I saw it replace everything else. The naysayers will tell you it was the price and happenstance, but that's rubbish. The big saw proved itself even to the old timers. We ran up to 6' bars on them....with nothing more than muffler mods and plugged governors. Walker was doing mild, woods porting on them and those saws were talked about a lot. But most of us lived day to day and sending a saw off to Walker just wasn't an option.....especially if you were trampin' around the shows like I was.

I admired the actual fallers who had homes, wives and kids.....you know, like a life away from the woods....lol. That wasn't going to happen for me until later on.  

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2021, 04:12:15 PM »
Yes in my single years I stayed in alot of camps, ate good slept good as everyone had their own room. One of the  benefits of the IWA union.
When I got married and had kids with a home I drove Monday to Friday the 1 hour drive to camp in a 1981 Ford Bronco.

Yes the west coast rain turned me off too as we didn't work in the occasional Manitoba rain. But we work all winter in knee deep snow and down to -40 below.
Great production in oversize spruce with frozen limbs snapping off with the skidders.
Mid 1970's and 1980s we  started out with Jonsereds 621 80 90 630 670 910 920 then on to Stihls and Huskies. The eastern french guys liked the Huskies and Partners and a few loved the Sachs Dolmars.

Yeah the climbing and technical rigging urban tree removal gig worked out great from the transition from logging.
The trick is it's best to work for yourself , never for some other company.
One just has to buy a chipper mounted  dump trailer, stump grinder and a Muck truck powerbarrow and your in business.


 

 

 

 

 

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2021, 05:56:30 PM »
We didn't have the loggin' camp thing in my experiences. I wouldn't have known how to act if someone actually fed me....lol.  It was catch a ride on a crummy with the rest of the guys @5am(or earlier), usually. Some gypos let us bring our rigs if the site was accessible. Not on union sites. I didn't like working for the big union companies after working for gypos. The pace was too slow and the guys seemed half asleep.

But then......come Friday I'd have to track down the bullbucker or whomever had the paychecks. That got to be a real hunt & peck game with a lot of outfits. You work that hard and take all those risks, they should man up and bring you your check. That's actually why I quit loggin';I wound up in CO at the end and they were cheating me on my scale and had this involved process on how I got paid. Time to move on in life I thought.

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2021, 08:15:32 PM »
I had about 20 good years hand falling for a cable skidder,  cut and skid 2 man crew logging tree length softwood limbed and topped piled at the landing. My partner owned the skidder and it got paid as much as the man.

Yep even though we were union we gave er hell on piecework rate for 7-8 hours 5 days a week. My skidder operator would help me out back blading and running over limbs and making me trails in the snow along the face. Also push over chichots.

I'd be there every time to help him pull out the mainline and help choke up half the chokers.
Very rare did we have a dispute with our weekly scale on Thursday. If we did we'd get a check scale.
We got hourly rate travel time  return from camp to the cut site.

Camp life was good , in the cafeteria for breakfast at 6 am, I made my own lunch at the lunch making table. Filled our thermos with tea, lots of fruit and dessert to choose from.
Then on to the steam table fill my plate with eggs how I wanted them, bacon, sausages, hash browns, pancakes.
Get back to camp after work at 4:00 either on the company bus or in my partners truck if he didn't have to work on his skidder.
Hang the work clothes up in the drying room, then in the shower then   go for supper. Room and board $2 a day. Weekends off.
We'd take a month off in summer and a couple weeks off for Christmas,  if it was longer I'd go fall for contractors.

Then the differences become obvious,  with the contractor most times I got ripped off badly on the scale. Their camps were converted school buses or camper trailers, make your own meals and buy your own groceries.
On the union job in the 20 years we never had a fatality,  contractors had lots of guys killed.
Reason was most times they were working 7 days a week and burning themselves out.
Union job you could high ball Monday to Friday, rest up on the weekend and high ball again Monday morning.

In the end mechanical harvesting with bunchers,  processor,  grapple skidders replaced us and I took the transfer to the Lumber Division in town and graded lumber for 10 years and doing residential treework on the side and on weekends.
Then full time running my own tree service for the last 17 years.

Life is good now at 63, still got a few more years to slay trees before my wife retires.
Wouldn't be where I am if I didn't pick up that Jonsered 621 when I was a kid. :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2021, 10:13:16 PM »
You guys are bringing back some memories. I stayed in a few well managed camps with my own room, clean bed and DanG good meals. A well run camp got and kept good people. Others not so much. I remember one where we arrived after lunch, the only thing left was mushroom soup which was good and bread rolls. Not a place I wanted to stay in, the cook was in her nightie playing cards with the night crew. These guys likely couldn't get work elsewhere.
I have never worked on the east coast, I only know what I have followed on this forum. Obviously the techniques are quite different but we have all developed what works best for us, there is no right or wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2021, 12:44:35 AM »
Figured out many years ago double dogs were the best way to go on a felling saw....later I added full wrap handles, made life much safer cutting from the "opposite" side of the tree.
Not a fan of a longer bar than necessary, a 20" is fine for 90% of what l cut. I'll take a second saw with a longer bar when needed as l'm not far from my vehicle.

I need to clarify tree size plays a big role...cutting "utility poles" I just use a 16" bar and a normal saw, an 026 or 254xp. Larger trees is where l get picky about what l'm using.

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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2021, 09:31:31 AM »
West coast experience seems to be big, organized, professional, and about production. I never experienced any of that, just had to bounce along and learn the hard way. I started with a Homelite XL-12 doing firewood for my dad and neighbors. Then as a teenager trying to pay for a motorcycle racing habit did work from building rock walls to tree removal. My parents would send me to my grandfathers Alabama farm as well....saw time piled up was for fence work, clearing pastures, and eventually working for a pulp wood operation with Poulan "Bow Blade" saws. Kind of left a mark. Those teen/early 20's years were dominated by girls, saws, and racing I guess with school and college as a side show. Again with the  "one way is the only way because we did it that way crowd" , wonder where those bow blades fit in :) Certainly were slick for bucking those sections of pulp wood.

After a stint as an engineer & world traveling went back to where more focused "saw" work happened. ( Never really stopped doing firewood ) when I built an excavation company. Clear cutting for roads and lots. Kind of a brutal operation. My excavator was sometimes more efficient than a saw....but lots of saw time during that time. And while the Husqvarna's were cool I looked back into time and renewed the interest in Homelites, 925's to be specific. And for years that was a blending of hobby and real work.

And 20 years ago that "Hobby/Work" blend continued into the farm life as we moved to where we are now and have done firewood & farm related things ever since. From logging for tax money clearing roads/trails/fence lines etc. Morphed into doing saw builds & repairs on the side for at least 10 years now. The engineer/hobby side was simply curious so I made it a point to learn about my saw customers worlds. How they operate & what works for them, why they choose what they have. Been really interesting for me.

So typical for many in my type of life is firewood production, I have to produce 7-10 full cords a year to heat the house. We heat totally by wood and have since 2006. Still have to clear fence lines, downed tree's, and roads. I have over 100 acres of woods to work in be it harvesting for firewood or logs for tax money/fun money. Cut in 12 miles of trails back in the 2002-2004 time frame, logged for extra income from 2004-2010 timeframe, cut a road 2018-2019 and will be doing another clearing for a road this next year or two. During those "spurts" of tree felling activities doing the road clearing, some will be sold for timber, some to a couple of firewood sellers, etc. A lot of saw time will be accumulated....again.

Being a "hobby" type vs. a pro, I try.....everything..... that looks interesting. From Big saws to ported saws, from antiques to the newest on the market. AND over time trends on what works best reveille themselves even to the farmers of the world :) The one thing that has absolutely become clear to me is there are many solutions to the various approaches and I am secure in the decisions I've made for myself. Also have realized some "experts" are clueless to my world and the advice doesn't translate from theirs to mine. Therefor humble enough to never assume what I have done is the only or most efficient way for someone else. SO my approach is to just do what I do, show it on video for the channel and folks will derive what they can.

I've ended up with a couple of tweaked by me 562/560's as the main saws.... took 8 years to settle on that. And a stock 565 as back up. 20 & 24 inch bars. Occasionally a 28. Everything else is for show or for hobby.

Question to Willard, what saw do you run most of the time when no one's paying attention? How is it set up? Not broke down into tasks like felling, topping, climbing, limbing etc., JUST raw trigger time. We all understand the "specialized" work sometimes needs a focused saws. What saw gets the most time. ( One of my tree service customers says a top handle, another his 562HTSS  that goes everywhere, even up in the bucket )
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2021, 09:44:36 AM »
 

 

 Iíve always had a soft spot for these 562ís they have just enough grunt they can pull a 32 if you need to my only main complaint is the factory dawgs I had a custom set built for the kind of work Iím normally doing. 


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