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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2021, 10:45:06 AM »
Before I left the west coast for CO, I noticed there was a lot of drug use going on....that would prove to be fatal in the riggin'. No thanks for any of that. You had to be fit and in the best physical shape possible...drugs don't allow for that and get people killed.

Biggest barrier in west coat loggin' for me was nepotism. I was just some 'kid'; from wherever who they thought they could cheat me on scale. If they had been my uncle, brother-in-law, cousin or whatever(which was the custom), it would have been a lot different. They weren't bright enough to realize here's a smart, hard workin' kid, let's be fair and give him a chance. Much easier just to cheat a stranger and let them move on if dissatisfied. And they would often tell me, 'You're just setting yourself up being a stranger here.'

But yeah, except on the steep stuff, fallers were replaced wholesale by harvesters. I almost got into horse loggin' in northern Idaho. There were places they wouldn't allow mechanized loggin', but would allow horse loggin' bids. I just couldn't get financed. Guy in Ashley, ID was horse loggin'....he was famous in those parts.

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2021, 11:24:24 AM »
Great thread to read, very educational for me.  Different styles of cutting and tools to match the work.

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2021, 02:14:27 PM »
Question to Willard, what saw do you run most of the time when no one's paying attention? How is it set up? Not broke down into tasks like felling, topping, climbing, limbing etc., JUST raw trigger time. We all understand the "specialized" work sometimes needs a focused saws. What saw gets the most time. ( One of my tree service customers says a top handle, another his 562HTSS  that goes everywhere, even up in the bucket )
Walter, that was a great read thanks for sharing that.
I'm kind of in a reverse situation,  I was born raised on a farm of making that style of living and then on today still working with my hands.
In 5 years plans are to sell out, move south out of the wilderness and retire near a big city on a acreage close to a International airport.
Hobby wise I've now forgotten about the muscle car build, building the dream home, restoring vintage tractors and get into tractor pulling. :D
No fixing saws in the off season and dealing with removing trees and stumps for customers.

Hobbies will be performance saw builds, traveling and timbersports with fishing on the side throughout USA and Canada.

Saw use in my solo operated tree service is predominantly Stihl and Husqvarna, always will be.
My main saws are a 044Av-20" 562XP-18"  066AV-28" and T536 LiXP
with a 16".

I got sidetracked finding the near brand new 1989 044AV last year. I had  plans for the Stihl 500i which would have been my last new saw. It's no choke just prime and pull the starter rope procedure sounds like a blessing plus the excellent power to weight ratio.
But the 044 has solved my hot start issue with the 562 as I work occassionally in humid hot conditions. The 562-18"/24" now cuts the dirty sappy wood, the 044-20"/25" collectible gets the clean hardwoods.
The 066-28" lowers stumps and noodle splits oversize rounds.

The Husqvarna 536 battery saw does the occasional climbing removals but unlike alot of urban tree services who rely on climbing and bucket trucks with no confidence in felling trees, I remove most of my trees from the ground.
My handiest tool is a 8 foot tall slingshot for installing rigging and climbing ropes.
Last pics are quotes you would understand.


 

 

 
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2021, 07:47:37 PM »
Holmen Tree, you mentioned a 562xp with a hot restart issue.  I ask as I have a 576 xp that after a refuel it will restart, rev and stall.  Lean stall out.  After about five of these start rev and stall, it's fine for the whole tank.  I can live with it, but it is irritating.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2021, 09:17:32 PM »
Holmen Tree, you mentioned a 562xp with a hot restart issue.  I ask as I have a 576 xp that after a refuel it will restart, rev and stall.  Lean stall out.  After about five of these start rev and stall, it's fine for the whole tank.  I can live with it, but it is irritating.
Is your 576 a AutoTune? If it is maybe time to take it in to your Husqvarna dealer and get it checked out on their software.

My 2012 562XP just floods during restart if overheated.
I have done modifications to the top cover to help with the heat sink which helped quite a bit, but I avoid using it if it's a extra warm humid day.
The 044 doesn't miss a beat, it has excellent thermal isolation. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2021, 10:16:58 PM »
It is auto tune.  Idles and runs great.  Good work horse of a saw.  Only issue is a hot restart after refueling.  I have to set the choke and pull once. It pops and I push the choke in.  Pull again and it fires, revs up for 3-5 seconds and died.   I have to full choke again, pull once it pops, push in choke and it fires up, revs up 3-5 seconds and stalls.  I repeat this about four times and she stays running.   If I shut it off hot and do not refuel the saw, it restarts fine.  And no need to full choke.  It's weird, I tried a new fuel pump.  It's not a huge issue, just annoying. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2021, 07:19:29 AM »
I can happily say that the hot start issue has more or less gone away. The newer 545/550 M2's and the 565/572 never really had it to begine with. And the 562 improvements have raised the threshold to where you aren't going to see a problem until the ambient temp gets up around 90į F.

Basing that of course on how many complaints I get from customers. Used to be plenty of them in warm weather. Those occasional complaints that I do see are always from guys working in very hot weather. So a couple days in the 90's and sure enough some saws roll in with hot start complaints. And not all auto-tune by any means either; had a 346 show up last week. At this point, I just say there's nothing I can do, it's gonna happen on 90 degree days. Had it happen to me with an old 55.

Couple lessons over the years. The fast idle position makes a big difference. Even on non-AT saws, but most important on the AT's. The full trigger "throw start" is not a good idea unless the saw is flooded. Which can happen when guys get frustrated and put the choke on.

And this advice from one of my tree servive customers who was doing a tree job in that hot weather: They had 4 saws; 2 Huskys and 2 stihls. All of them were having hot start problems. Believe it or not, the solution was to set them down in the shade instead of in the sun. Then all 4 saws started fine. Sounds too easy, doesn't it? But sometimes it's just a matter of a few degrees making all the difference. Think of the difference between parking your truck in the sun or in the shade. :)
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2021, 07:23:24 AM »
Must be a statistical thing as well as none of mine have shown a hot stat issue. This summer I've had a couple of 90 degree days as well with the 562 and 565. Neither showed that quirk.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2021, 09:16:18 AM »
I can happily say that the hot start issue has more or less gone away. The newer 545/550 M2's and the 565/572 never really had it to begine with. And the 562 improvements have raised the threshold to where you aren't going to see a problem until the ambient temp gets up around 90į F.

Basing that of course on how many complaints I get from customers. Used to be plenty of them in warm weather. Those occasional complaints that I do see are always from guys working in very hot weather. So a couple days in the 90's and sure enough some saws roll in with hot start complaints. And not all auto-tune by any means either; had a 346 show up last week. At this point, I just say there's nothing I can do, it's gonna happen on 90 degree days. Had it happen to me with an old 55.

Couple lessons over the years. The fast idle position makes a big difference. Even on non-AT saws, but most important on the AT's. The full trigger "throw start" is not a good idea unless the saw is flooded. Which can happen when guys get frustrated and put the choke on.

And this advice from one of my tree servive customers who was doing a tree job in that hot weather: They had 4 saws; 2 Huskys and 2 stihls. All of them were having hot start problems. Believe it or not, the solution was to set them down in the shade instead of in the sun. Then all 4 saws started fine. Sounds too easy, doesn't it? But sometimes it's just a matter of a few degrees making all the difference. Think of the difference between parking your truck in the sun or in the shade. :)
I mentioned this before about the old Jonsereds....on hot days loggin';if you don't park them in the shade after shutting off, you'll have the devil to pay. I see that this carries over into modern saws even today.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2021, 09:28:59 AM »
Must be a statistical thing as well as none of mine have shown a hot stat issue. This summer I've had a couple of 90 degree days as well with the 562 and 565. Neither showed that quirk.
Of course it is. And neither have any of mine this summer. 550M2, 562, 555, 565; and the 555 is an early model. 
We've stressed many times in the videos that folks shouldn't think in absolutes with any of this stuff. But it's common that people want to apply a characteristic, be it good or bad, to all of them. Some folks are wired to think that way, and fear that a problem that they read about will affect their saw. Some people, no matter what breaks or wears out ask, "Is this a known problem?" Replied to some guy last week that it's a "known problem" that if you put a lot of miles on your Audi, you'll have to spend $1500 on tires. I am SO ready to retire.  :D
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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2021, 10:22:33 AM »
Bob, from my retail experience, itís IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone all of the time, THEY JUST DONíT GET IT. Like that person that I had one time that came in and asked me what an O2 sensor in the exhaust is for & she gave me a go to Hades look when I told her that itís for measuring how much O2 was in the exhaust! Boys, I DONíT miss retail! But I DO miss talking to my REALISTIC customers, because we often had conversations that didnít have anything to do with replacement auto parts. THATíS what I miss 
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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2021, 10:50:31 AM »
As long as we are off topic, in the old days tractors had a water tank next to the gas with a petcock to allow water to drip into the manifold. Once the engine was hot enough a little water allowed you to use steam power. Don't know if it was farmer or engineer but it worked. 

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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2021, 10:59:25 AM »
Iím thinking that itís for helping the engine to self chip the carbon off of different parts of the combustion chamber, but chainsaws donít even idle at many old gas tractor engines at full tilt. But thatís information that I was told so it may or may not be correct. I just donít know. But still interesting no matter what itís for ;)
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2021, 11:08:19 AM »
BTW, Iíd bet that someone like @mike_belben knows ;D
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2021, 12:08:40 PM »
steam clean will keep the rings and valves unfouled. youd just have to be sure you are only running water injection under heavy load.  im gonna call it a long term maintenance item on a tractor. 

it also is used to this day on high power turbocharged gas and diesel race toys.  on a gasser you can run more spark advance and not hit detonation or melt the turbine wheel off.. its a sort of combustion coolant and flame speed retardant.  if you add methanol to the water mix there is also a power additive function.  some will spray nitrous into a turbine housing just to get enough fire for the monsterous turbo to actually get spooled up on engine thats too small.  we talking 50 60 80 + psi.  outrageous stuff. power that explodes girdled blocks and makes heads come through hoods.  restraint straps on engine parts.  


diesels can get away with more pump timing under crazy boost with water, or also added power on water meth (washer fluid) or straight meth or nitrous to spool ridiculous turbos also. 


im a decade removed from being really good at explaining race toys so forgive me if theres something in there ive fudged a little, or newer better tech out i no longer care about. 
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2021, 12:43:09 PM »
Spike and others, thank you for the information and comments.  And yes, it has been when the saw has been if full sun and running hard.  Hot soak condition.  Dumb of me, I always keep the gas can in the shade.  Makes sense to put the saw there also.  And we have been having a unusually hot summer.  I really do appreciate the great advice, thank you.

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2021, 12:56:38 PM »
Maybe a small white cloth draped over the top would help when it's parked. It could do double duty as a sweat rag and a saw cover. Wipe off sweat, and dry it on the saw. Use 100% cotton so it doesn't melt, and watch the muffler.

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2021, 01:06:02 PM »
@mike_belben thank you very much for the response & detailed information. As always, itís just good to see you on the chainsaw threads because weíre not blessed with your presence very often.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2021, 06:19:55 PM »
Spike and others, thank you for the information and comments.  And yes, it has been when the saw has been if full sun and running hard.  Hot soak condition.  Dumb of me, I always keep the gas can in the shade.  Makes sense to put the saw there also.  And we have been having a unusually hot summer.  I really do appreciate the great advice, thank you.
It was pretty easy to see when I was loggin';parked in the sun, unscrew the gas cap and you'd sometimes see the gas 'boiling'....park in the shade and there's were no issues. Because the saws were hard to start in the sun, I'd instinctively always checked the gas tank for fuel. Then is dawned on me that saws parked in the shade never had any hot restart issues.....lol.  

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2021, 07:28:59 PM »
I apologise for the major thread drift. And appreciate the education.  

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