I was in the passenger seat on the way to town (not allowed to drive when the wife's along) when I spotted this rather huge mushroom beside the driveway. I said "I want a picture of that". she said "It would make a good picture" and continued on.
I rather forcefully said, " I want a picture of that".
She stopped and backed up.
I guess I can be intimidating when I want. :D :D
I have no idea what this thing is. Couldn't find an ID site on the web this evening.
It's kind of pretty though, isn't it?
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Tom
I believe that is an Amanita Muscaria or "Death Cap".
At least that is what they look like in the NW and Alaska as well. Pretty amazing if the same thing prospers in Alaska as well as Florida..
It certainly looks like one, doesn't it?
I can't believe that one site I read said that some people have eaten this poisonous mushroom with no ill effects by parboiling and throwing out the water. Sounds like Russian roulette. :)
Some people survive Russian roulette too. :o
I've seen them here in the fall in our mixed woods. They will open up wide like an umbrella.
Quote from: Steve on December 18, 2005, 05:19:46 PM
I believe that is an Amanita Muscaria or "Death Cap".
Yup, sounds about right. Pretty but not too good to eat. I suggest staying away from the Amanita family unless you really know what you are doing :o :o :o
Most mushroom are not deadly, but this family of mushrooms are pretty bad. Some of the related Fly Agaric which are very bad in the USA have folk lore behind them in Norway. Apparently there is a variety there that has a super human effect, lore has it that the Viking warriors would drink a mixture of it before battle ;D This way as there limbs were chopped off the would just keep going :o
Max
Very nice pic Tom thanks 8)
I dont think so.... I am pretty sure its a Fly Agaric (Amanita Muscaria)
Poisonous, but often pictured in story books for kids. Rather unmistakable.
that my friend is a Fly Agaric poisenous
Actually, my understating was that the vikings drank the urine of those they forced to ingest the mushrooms. The hallucinogenic would pass through the body of that person into their urine, leaving the nasty poisons behind.
Quote from: Jeff B on December 18, 2005, 09:51:11 PM
Actually, my understating was that the vikings drank the urine of those they forced to ingest the mushrooms. The hallucinogenic would pass through the body of that person into their urine, leaving the nasty poisons behind.
Aye the bezerkers mate. Wouldn't wanna meet one in a dark alley. ;D
Isn't that why the reindeer fly? I thought it had something to do with that... :D
Quote from: Jeff B on December 18, 2005, 09:29:26 PM
Poisonous, but often pictured in story books for kids. Rather unmistakable.
GREAT! teach the little ones these are cool...
Quote from: Modat22 on December 18, 2005, 09:45:19 PM
that my friend is a Fly Agaric poisenous
According to my Audubon Mushroom guide there are two Fly Agaric's in the USA.
Amanita muscaria var. muscaria (Blood red cap common Rockies and west but seen in the east) This one is considered poisonous causing delirium, raving and profuse sweating.
The second is Amanita muscaria var. formosa (Orange-red to yellowish cap, common in the eastern USA.) This one is poisonous too, however not as quite as bad, only causing sweating deep sleep and disorientation.
Quote from: Tom on December 18, 2005, 05:28:17 PM
I can't believe that one site I read said that some people have eaten this poisonous mushroom with no ill effects by parboiling and throwing out the water. Sounds like Russian roulette. :)
I think Tom's mushroom is the var. formosa, because it is less poisonous and common in the east this could be why he read some people eat it. :o "some people" do alot of stupid things :D
Quote from: Jeff B on December 18, 2005, 09:51:11 PM
Actually, my understating was that the vikings drank the urine of those they forced to ingest the mushrooms. The hallucinogenic would pass through the body of that person into their urine, leaving the nasty poisons behind.
Interesting Jeff, had not heard that variation to the story. ;)
Max
I can't believe that one site I read said that some people have eaten this poisonous mushroom with no ill effects by parboiling and throwing out the water. Sounds like Russian roulette. :)
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Isn't that how pokesalad (aka Pokeweed,
Phytolacca americana) is eaten without the ill effects too?
QuoteInteresting Jeff, had not heard that variation to the story.
Max
It just boggles my mind to ponder the thought processes that would lead people to do such things. Ancient man must have done a lot of stupid things and we must of weeded out a bunch of them to get to where we are today. :D
Although kings had people to taste their food for poison effects, it came in handy to find a use for discovered edible plants to. ;D
Quote from: estiers on December 19, 2005, 09:37:02 AM
I can't believe that one site I read said that some people have eaten this poisonous mushroom with no ill effects by parboiling and throwing out the water. Sounds like Russian roulette. :)
Isn't that how pokesalad (aka Pokeweed, Phytolacca americana) is eaten without the ill effects too?
Too my knowledge parboiling to remove toxin or to improve flavor is a common technique for many plants. In Russia and Finland certain mushrooms that taste off or have mild toxicity when just fried are parboiled then pickled. They are amazing prepared this way :)
It is not Russian roulette if you look and see what chamber is empty before you pull the trigger :D :D :D
What I am saying is if you know what you are doing and follow all precautions it is science and not Russian roulette. ;D With that said, I think a person is DanG nuts to eat Amanita, too many real killers in that family of mushrooms
Quote from: SwampDonkey on December 19, 2005, 10:11:08 AM
Although kings had people to taste their food for poison effects, it came in handy to find a use for discovered edible plants to. ;D
Human ingenuity 8)
It is one of the things that separates us from the rest of the animals ;) For better or worse ::)
Max
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I remember something from my Mycology class in college. The professor said that many wild mushrooms that we eat have toxins that are harmful to humans, they just aren't absorbed into the blood stream. That is of course unless you drink alcohol during the meal, then you could get in trouble.
Quote from: estiers on December 20, 2005, 08:13:00 AM
I remember something from my Mycology class in college. The professor said that many wild mushrooms that we eat have toxins that are harmful to humans, they just aren't absorbed into the blood stream. That is of course unless you drink alcohol during the meal, then you could get in trouble.
Yes, that is correct.
A very common Mushroom inky cap which grows in many yards is very good eating IF you do not consume alcohol with it :o
In fact a Russian friend of mine says they used to treat alcoholics with a certain kind of wild mushroom. Apparently, the toxin from this mushroom would stay in your body for weeks, if the alcoholic "fell off the wagon, they would become ill ;D
Max
Quote from: Jeff B on December 18, 2005, 09:51:11 PM
Actually, my understating was that the vikings drank the urine of those they forced to ingest the mushrooms. The hallucinogenic would pass through the body of that person into their urine, leaving the nasty poisons behind.
:D :D Everytime I read something like that I have to wonder just "who" and "why on earth would you ever." :D I'm mean just how would you figure something like that out? Was drinking that stuff normal? It's like parboiling Pokesalad. Your buddy eats some and kills over so you think "well, we're going to just keep trying till we figure out someway to eat this weed." Which is really good with scramble eggs mixed in. ;D
Why don't you guys get with us Maritimers and eat some spring fiddle heads of the Ostrich fern. ;D :D
http://www.elements.nb.ca/theme/ethnobotany/perils/jim.htm
Well - I bet you all are thinking - "I wouldn't ever eat something like that!" HAH ;)
Look up cashews (which grow here) - more than a few tourist have discovered that you don't want to eat the nut until it has been processed! Caustic like you wouldn't believe
You all like cashews don't you? ??? ???
Usually in the tropics they don't eat the nut - they eat the fruit.
The figure it out method limits how many captives and enimies ya have on hand at any given time.
Quote from: crtreedude on December 20, 2005, 03:38:09 PM
Well - I bet you all are thinking - "I wouldn't ever eat something like that!" HAH ;)
Look up cashews (which grow here) - more than a few tourist have discovered that you don't want to eat the nut until it has been processed! Caustic like you wouldn't believe
You all like cashews don't you? ??? ???
Usually in the tropics they don't eat the nut - they eat the fruit.
And who'da thunk it, I got a 1 kg jar of Planter's Cashews sitten right here beside me. ;D
Oh, and i had fiddleheads last sunday for dinna. ;D
I suspect it is also based on "when you get hungry enough, you will try anything..."
Let's see - starvation on the one hand, trying a new food on the other. One way or another, your pain will soon be over... :o
See Swampy - you ole poison eater you!
Way back when, they tried it and when someone died, they quit.
In the '60's, some brilliant kids were bored and being stupid, tried it. When
one died, they tried it again. Eventually the brilliant ones were all gone.
Now look what we're left with, people that jump off of buildings with parachutes. :D
I went back to the mushroom on the driveway with the camera and
Here it is.
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And I found a second down the road a little bit.
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They're exactly what I see up here in fall Tom. I gave my brother my 'shroom book. So he says. ::) :D
Quote from: crtreedude on December 20, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
I suspect it is also based on "when you get hungry enough, you will try anything..."
Let's see - starvation on the one hand, trying a new food on the other. One way or another, your pain will soon be over... :o
See Swampy - you ole poison eater you!
My stomach was growling, maybe I need another handful. ;D
Common in NZ too, although not native to these parts.
I see that it's surrounded by pine needles, that seems to be the common factor, only ever see them under pine trees.
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/pluteaceae/amanita.htm
QuoteAn introduced species which is associated with Pines. By crushing the cap in milk, or sprinkling it with sugar one can make a poisoned bait for killing flies.
Now we know where the common name came from too :P
Cheers
Ian
Clive Shirley has created a pretty and informative website. I've enjoyed his photograpy.
SD ya must of put some up last spring ;D one of the things I miss being in the deep south is walking and picking fiddle heads they eats read good too :)
Some mushrooms contain chemicals found it rocket fuels.
I also read somewheres that the amanita muscaria contains ibotenic acid and muscimol, whatever those are - hallucinogens I think. Anyway, there are people that dry and smoke it and ingest it. smiley_thumbsdown
Magic mushrooms ::)
Russian Roulette.
Here, stick this poison mushroom in your mouth. It'll make your eyes cross, then it'll kill ya.
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Amanita muscarias are again appearing in the edge of my driveway and throughout the pinestraw in the field. It's time for a refresher course.
These are dangerous. Don't eat them. Especially watch children who may taste one innocently. There is no cure or antidote.
Not all Amanita are red. Some are white. Some are green. That skirt around the stem is a a good warning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A420832
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Many poisionous mushrooms contain the compound methyl hydrazine ( also known as rocket fuel ). It affects the central nervous system in various ways. It also has a low boiling point so parboiling or frying will cause it to evaporate. The problem is you never know how much boiling or frying is enough.
I think I got these on my place a lot, I just added the photos to my Misc stuff gallery and I'll put a few on here with 5buck bill as size ref.
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also wanted to add my pic of a dogwood flower as it is a nice one if I do say so myself :)
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Mark M