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Re: Buying a tractor
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2021, 12:02:00 PM »
I sure like my Bobcat.  It's a re-badged Kioti, although as far as I can tell, there is no Kioti that is identical to my CT 2025 Bobcat.  Mine is a lighter machine than you're after, but I believe the quality would hold thru the full range.  Good stuff.....I had a deal all drawn up for an equivalent Kubota, but when I checked out the Bobcat, it was quickly apparent that I would be getting every bit as much tractor, but for right around $4000 less.
Far as I can tell, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other...

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Re: Buying a tractor
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2021, 12:27:15 PM »
Maybe it's different in AG vs their forestry division. A neighbor has tried to buy the software and they won't sell it to him.
I can buy the AG software as well, one of the big differences is EPA requires the software to now go to a licensed tech.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2021, 12:42:46 PM »
As mentioned dealership backup is a big part of  any equipment purchase. Back in 2017 I trade two older tractors ( White 1370 and Ford 7710) on a Kioti 7320. Both of those old machine were great but reluctantly it was time. I had good local support for both Kubota (which I know and like) and Kioti. Long story short the Kioti won out with features, warranty and price. Jump to today I am still very happy with this purchase. About 650 hrs in and zero issues. Also have two friends with the same machine. One farms and is over 1000 hrs. Nope they aren't built like the old ones and the emission stuff is a nuisance but you get used to it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2021, 02:42:58 PM »
Our long time and well respected Case dealer retired, outside interests purchased the store and now handle Mahindra. These people don't seem to be experienced or customer oriented and are not earning a good reputation. We have an established New Holland outlet, I understand some of their product is Kioti which is not well known here. Kioti also has a small operation 10 miles away but don't look to have the space to handle larger equipment. John Deere is 60 miles away so not practical for local farmers. Farming is key here, mainly forage crops with some grain along with dairy cattle and hogs.
Kubota is gaining traction, I had the use of one for three years and the dealer treated us well. It was a stout machine although a little small for fel work, I had some minor issues I was able to address once I figured out what was causing them.
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Re: Buying a tractor
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2021, 02:57:45 PM »
I bought a Kioti 5010 in February, so far Ive liked it. Good lifting capacity, though Ive maxed it several times with big logs. 

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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2021, 07:05:17 PM »
I bought a Kioti 5010 in February, so far Ive liked it. Good lifting capacity, though Ive maxed it several times with big logs.
If someone, regardless of size ever said they never "maxed" their tractor...they're lying 😆

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2021, 07:11:35 PM »
I bought a Kioti 5010 in February, so far Ive liked it. Good lifting capacity, though Ive maxed it several times with big logs.
If someone, regardless of size ever said they never "maxed" their tractor...they're lying 😆
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2021, 09:10:17 PM »
I sure like my Bobcat.  It's a re-badged Kioti, although as far as I can tell, there is no Kioti that is identical to my CT 2025 Bobcat.  Mine is a lighter machine than you're after, but I believe the quality would hold thru the full range.  Good stuff.....I had a deal all drawn up for an equivalent Kubota, but when I checked out the Bobcat, it was quickly apparent that I would be getting every bit as much tractor, but for right around $4000 less.
How long have you had it?

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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2021, 10:25:23 PM »
We went though this process in spring and ended up with a brand new LS MT357 as it ticked off all our check boxes, a 58 hp hydrostatic with cab and most of the bells and whistles.  I mostly echo what other have said regarding you are not just buying a tractor you are getting a partner as a dealer for good or bad.  We looked at several brands including the local JD, but to be honest any one of them was such a huge leap forward and new improvement over all our much older other tractors, it really came to who do we trust to work with.  Our local implement dealer has been in the area for years and has always provided great service on a wide range of equipment and older tractors. As they have carried the LS brand for quite a few years, it really was a no brainer for us.   As a bonus, our favorite color is blue  8)

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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2021, 02:45:29 AM »
In the compact and sub compact game their is a lot of rebadging going on. 

LS, New Holland, And Case are all the same. 

Many of the JD models are Yanmars underneith.

Bobcat and Kioti are the same. Etc

My experience as a wrench turner is they are all about the same. Good and bad to each. Pick one with a decent dealer and one that has the best features and specs in its size class. For the most part I don't see many of them in the shop unless the operators are hard on them. 

I will say Mahindra parts can be hard to come by, and kubotas engineering department often has cranial-rectal-inversion.

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Re: Buying a tractor
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2021, 09:05:57 AM »
A couple of months ago I got rid of my old 440 JD skidder and bought a new Kioti 73 hp tractor.  

I have McCormick, John Deere, Kubota, NH, and Case IH dealers within a 30 minute drive, but I decided to go with Kioti because the brothers who own the dealership are straight-up good guys and they are only a 5 minute drive away.

It also helped that a friend bought a slightly smaller model a few years ago and was able to give me an unbiased report about his tractor and dealer experiences.  

Having said that, if the dealerships would have had good reputations (and a few of them did) I think I would have been quite happy with similar hp tractors from any of the aforementioned companies.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2021, 12:00:36 PM »
Hi Mesquite.  It's at just 66 hrs.  I suppose I don't know much about longevity yet.

One thing I like a lot, and this is probably true of most makes, is the ease of maintenance.  Simple stuff like fluid changes are quite easy, and even stuff like re-cambering the front wheels or readjusting the engine's valves are all laid out nicely.

Worst thing is cold-weather starts.  Like many small diesels, it sputters and coughs out lots of smoke under such conditions.  I hope to have a block heater on it by coming winter, which I think will help a lot.  Warm-weather starts are non-problematic.
Far as I can tell, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other...

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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2021, 08:58:50 PM »
I put a piece of carpet over my tractor with the block heater on. Keeps the heat in better. I suppose a moving blanket from harbor freight would work too.
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2021, 10:03:55 PM »
 I just went thru this with a landowner, im not biased but we own nothing but BLUE tractors and have sold 10+ BLUE tractors for the dealer to our customers 😆. 
 Figure out what you want, add 10hp. Even if you dont need it, get it with a skidsteer coupler and 2 remotes, adding on after the fact is costly. We run ag tires on our 4 tractors, R4 tires are ok but not meant for greasy ground. Like everyone else has said dealer support is key. 

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2021, 02:25:14 AM »
I bought a Branson 4520r last year. 
First , if there are no decent Branson dealers near you, then ignore this post.

Branson tractors have NO computers. They are well built (Korean), simple, heavier then others in the class, and much cheaper to buy.
The tier 4 emissions consist of a simple cat style device that burns the particulates as you go. Just have to keep it hot enough. If you you dont like it, you can remove it and stick a muffler on and the tractor wont care.

Do wish I had gotten a hydro though.

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2021, 09:41:26 AM »
For by far more information brand wise, model wise, number of posters, etc., go to www.Tractorbynet.com

In recent years I've owned two Kiotis, a DK40 and now a DK35SE, both shuttle/geared tractors. They are robust, well built machines. They mfg. their own engines-Daedong brand-same as Bobcat mentioned already. Bobcat I though got out of tractors?
 
My DK35SE is a 2010 so no Tier 4 re-gen on it. I had very few issues with them. Much is generic on several brands of tractors. Items like clutch assemblies and much much more cross over brand names far more than many realize. Also within brands there are multiple mfg of the machines plus engines, loaders, etc.. My Kioti FEL is made in USA. 
 
 Mines been dead now for over two months-seems to be a gears issue as starts OK, hyd OK but no motion F or R. First place I took it the son fell out with his Dad the shop owner so I moved it to a semi-retired pro tractor guy who did JD's all his life now a widower he syas it's near to being next. Parts are a hard issue for tractors of many brands and he couldn't block those waiting on parts to take mine down. FWIW, I am a retired mechanic but my shops blocked entryway due to lumber drying said haul it somewhere else. 
In ~ 2-4 weeks I'll either have it back repaired or buy another tractor. I'm leaning toward a used late model Massey-Ferguson or a Mahindra. Not many Kiotis in the used market but I'd buy one again. 
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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2021, 10:20:39 AM »
I also agree dealer is key, and competition amongst dealers can be a good thing.
Over here its Kubota and John Deere.


Resale does play a factor in my opinion, and in our area reselling a Kubota or John Deere is quicker than the other brands. We don't buy with a plan to resell, but its always good to know that the item you have is in good demand. 

As Barge mentioned, buy it as you need it and plan on expansion. Add the extra hydraulics, the tires you need/want etc, right from the purchase. So much easier than trying to do it all after the fact. 

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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2021, 09:54:30 PM »
I had a Mahindra 4550 cab tractor. If you like brakes that work buy something else
Other than that and a spoon for a bucket it was nice.
My next tractor will be a Branson heavy built , great engines , fit and finish. 
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2021, 07:13:44 AM »
Branson's are not a brand I've looked at lately and not far back they were very minor in the market. I just now skimmed their website and they have attractive machines. Niche brand same as my Kioti though both are huge corporations on a worldly basis. They are basically a TYM tractor-same as several other brands tractor models, that sell more tractors.
 I'm uncertain how they stack up overall against Kioti & other Korean brands-as I've owned several but they don't use re-gen which I'd rather avoid. 
Their system is a DPF version and likely not problematic. 
Choosing a Branson means you should also look at other TYM built tractors?
 Little doubt in my mind that casual tractor discussions still revolve around the old brand names that once were USA, UK etc. and now it's all Asian across the lines with assembly in various places. Selling a machine thats off-brand still slows it down due to ignorance of todays marketplace. Those mainline brands are having the same parts issues as the lesser brands right now. 
 Owning an orange Kioti I've been telling people for 20 years it's not a Kubota nor is it made in Japan. 
I'm just not willing to pay a 6% sales tax premium plus new markup price points.
 
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2021, 03:52:50 PM »
I'm curious when folks refer to different tractor brands which are manufactured by the same source.

The implication sometimes is that they are the same tractor, just different trim or color. I know that this is the case in some instances (Case and New Holland, for example have some tractors that are virtually identical other than color  and perhaps some options).

I also know that being made by the same manufacturer is not necessarily and indication that things are the same quality. 20 years ago, as the manufacturing plants I was working for was closing down, I took a part time/seasonal job in an outdoor store (which shall remain unnamed) mainly to get access to their employee discounts. The store manager was often telling customers that the store brand outerwear was made in the same manufacturing plant as North Face (NF made very highly regarded products). The implication was that the quality was the same, you just weren't paying for the name brand. The store brand was decent, but the quality was not even in the same ballpark as North Face.

It does make me wonder about different tractor brands "made by the same manufacturer". How often is it just a different coat of paint or slightly different body panels, and how much of it is a completely different tractor which may just happen to share a few components with another brand?
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