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Offline AndyVT

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Jammed winch cable
« on: September 03, 2021, 09:22:46 AM »
I went to replace the winch cable on my Norse 450 and discovered the old cable is deeply buried in the lower wraps
and when I tried using the tractor to pull it free, it just about stood the tractor up on the rear wheels. So it is truly buried/jammed on the drum.
I have both winch covers off and can see the mess but can't get any type of tool in there to try and free it as there is too much in the way.
Anyone have an idea of a game plan to get it off; remove the drum?

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2021, 10:04:19 AM »
The only thing I have ever done is roll the drum, and lock it, at the point where the cable is bent backwards in a 'U' and then pull.  Your situation sounds tighter than anything I have experienced.

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2021, 10:05:15 AM »
Torch it off. 
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2021, 10:22:05 AM »
Torch it off.

 ☝☝☝. Just want to be a little cautious when you burn thru that a piece doesn't have memory and whip back around. 

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2021, 10:50:43 AM »
definitely safety first.  full ppe.  safety sandals and 2 masks incase the prior owner had the covid.  liberally sanitize the hands after
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2021, 11:04:44 AM »
definitely safety first.  full ppe.  safety sandals and 2 masks incase the prior owner had the covid.  liberally sanitize the hands after
:D :D :D
But good to know that there can be some memory in that twisted cable.
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2021, 11:24:14 AM »
I got it out ;D.
I  removed the vertical strut that was blocking the side of the spool and had enough room to pound, pry and lever on the "looped over" cable until there was slack that enabled the trapped kinked cable to slide out.
Then I was able to unspool the rest of the cable with a bit of a fiddle to get the kink through the rear pulley.
New cable went on smoothly and I am heading back to the woodlot.

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2021, 11:30:41 AM »
Many times they use no swivels on the hooks which will really snarl up the cable .A torch would be the easiest choice .

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2021, 12:41:15 PM »
dump a bit of old motor oil on the drum now and then and youll have much, much improved cable life.  rust is the death of them. 
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2021, 03:04:02 PM »
I get knots in the cable all the time and I mean all the time as I run a long cable , most times its 175 ft cable to skid out of the deep guts I get to cut in . I carry a crow bar and 3 pound sledge right on the skidder to get them out and lots of times just by bending the cable abit and pounding on the bent end and driving it back into the drum will loosen the cable up enough you can get the knot out but I have seen where I ended up cutting the cable with my battery powered 4 1/2 inch grinder , Alot less chance of fire with the grinder than using a torch .

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2021, 07:26:46 PM »
dump a bit of old motor oil on the drum now and then and youll have much, much improved cable life.  rust is the death of them.
Be careful !! Better check first.  I don't know about Norse but on my Farmi winch they say to never oil the cable or the drive chain because the oil will migrate onto the clutch face and ruin it. You will get plenty of life from a dry cable.

To limit or eliminate rats nests in your cable make sure there is some tension on it when you winch it in. Especially if you have a lot of cable out. On a new cable I usually hook the cable to a stump up hill from the tractor and let the winch pull the tractor up hill as it winds in.
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2021, 07:29:00 PM »
I've had to remove the mast twice in 25 years to get at the drum on my winch. I have the same winch as you. I try to keep the drag adjusted so I don't get a lot of slack. But it still happens. I also try to look inside each time to make sure the cable is tight against the drum. Note the "try" word.
Each time I removed the mast I could get at the problem and has it fixed in minutes, but worth it, because I could not get it.
Helps out to run the cable all the way out and pull a log towards you every so often. When ever I do this it unwinds easier too.
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2021, 09:55:23 PM »
My Norse manual also says don't get oil on the clutch.
Fair warning on keeping tension on the drum. 
Already caught the new cable and frayed some of the wire :(
I spool out with lighter tension and sock it down when I spool in .
Good idea on unreeling it all out occasionally and watching it as it reels in.


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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2021, 08:48:15 AM »
When I reel it all out like that to get it back on the drum straight what ever I hook to for tension I use a slider rather than the hook. That way it lets any twists that have built up come out easier. Also once in a while I string it all out then put it in high tension so it is off the ground and leave it over night to relax. Again using a slider. Helps Take some kink out too. In the morning go over the cable with your gloved hand and any wires you find sticking out nip them off with a pair of diagonal cutters.

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2021, 08:54:02 AM »
You'd probably have better luck if you used crane cable instead of normal lay wire rope .Crane cable is made with the inner layers going to opposite the outer layer which would tend to cancel  the forces from fouling  the line .FWIW the same forces on a winch drum are present on a capstan drum .
I have little experience winching big logs but years of pulling heavy armored electrical cable some weighing 14 pounds per foot and 1600 feet long .One reason I suggested using swivels on heavy pulls .

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2021, 09:04:33 AM »
The Norse cable does come with a hook on the end. I run 6 slides on my cable. I hardly ever use the hook. Sometimes all 6 are used, sometimes only one.
I also made up some shorts chains, Seem like now I haul out small stuff. This way I don't have to run 5 feet of chains through a keyhole. When I bought mine winch it came with 6 eight foot chains. Won't need many 8 foot chains in use with a 40 hp tractor.  ;)
I have no idea the expense of a crane cable, but with a 3 pt winch the payback may not be there.  
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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2021, 11:06:20 AM »
Crane cable is far more costly than lay type steel cable .Which makes the cost of a swivel seem inexpensive by comparison .However even with a swivel unless you used a choker as a point of attachment  it would not do much good .Doubling back and hooking the line would still make a rats nest of the end 20 feet of the cable .What a mess that could be .
Rigging is just the practical  application of high school physics .On a heavy pull the use of snatch blocks takes the strain off the pulling mechanisms just takes a little longer .

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2021, 07:43:54 AM »
 When just spooling the cable to get it straightened on the drum, I used a 2' piece of 2"-3" branch and put it over the cable on the ground and step on it and real the cable in.

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2021, 01:11:14 PM »
Angle grinder (preferably cordless) with zip wheel when all else fails. If it is really badly pinched the cable is often compromised anyhow. Hopefully the end piece will be long enough to be workable

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Re: Jammed winch cable
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2021, 01:15:24 PM »
cable scraps make good expedient forest gates.. for those who will obey a gate anyways. 
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