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Re: Old Growth
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2001, 07:39:34 AM »
Old the risk of being a cynic.......

Environment extremist (Ee's), who seem to have all of the answers, don't ever give a definition do they?

I interpret their "old growth" forest as one that was naturally seeded, unattended throughout its evolutionary growth, Matured to the point that it contains the upper echelon of trees that will develop in that particular ecosystem and canopied over such that no new growth can exist amongst those lucky enough to have found a spot all their own.

Now that means that "Man",  the one thing on this planet that Ee's think shouldn't exist,  isn't welcome because his needs (fire, clothing and shelter) would endanger these plants that had become "king of the mountain".

So, I guess the definition according to this blurb is Old growth means evolutionary mature regardless of size.

Trees grow old the same as people.  If we, as a part of the ecosystem, need a tree then we are better off taking it before it reaches declining maturity and before it has inhibited the growth of other trees that would replace it.

My Granddaddy was a fine old gentleman.  He was a tribute to the society.  He was a newspaperman, railroad man, clergyman and Judge.  If someone had needed an organ for transplant and his carcass had been available, he would have made an excellent donor.  By the time I new him in his declining years his organs were worn out and he was sick.  Using him for transplants at the time of his death wouldn't have benefited anybody for very long. (I don't support genocide either.)

Mature Trees or as my forester calls them, "Overly Mature",  don't benefit anybody either.....except for perhaps visual gratification.  They are generally too big to handle.  They have declining root systems and lack stability. Disease and rot in their boles inhibits their use for lumber and huge canopies prevent the development of future trees.  Ferns and mosses are about the only thing that will co-exist in an environment like that and their density may prevent the reseeding of an old tree when it naturally succumbs.  Perhaps a forest should first be considered "old growth" when it can still produce a product and is on the verge of declining.

If you take the stance that humans belong in this ecosystem then I agree with you that 'Logging is Good'.  Of course it must be performed properly and who else would be better to judge than the logger whose lively hood depends on it.  It is unfortunate that the people who get the most press shoot from behind a desk and are "Educated Beyond Their Intelligence".

So, keep on teaching.  I think you're on the right track.

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Re: Old Growth
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2001, 08:46:30 AM »
Its ok to say 20-30 years if it helps one relate to trees being renewed on a site. Trees are a renewable resource and some species grow faster than others. Bigger trees are more "likeable"

Trees have an economic maturity when they are harvested for their best timber value and an age maturity when they are left to grow on for other  resource values. This puts the age factor into Old Growth Forests.

Trees need to be managed for forest and ecosystem sustainability.

Old Growth forests and ecosystems are complex subjects. Some very good information and possible teaching aids can be obtained from the Huron-Manistee National Forests at 1=(800)821-6263. Talk to Jim DiMaio or Carol Nilsson. Carol might even be able to provide a classroom session for your students.

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Re: Old Growth
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2001, 02:01:53 PM »
Thanks Ron and Tom and everyone else who has been so patient with my questions.

I sure am learning a lot - including seeing just how important it is to make sure everyone is using the same definitions. People start rolling their eyes  ::) at me in school when I start in on "What do we mean by..."

Thanks again!


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Re: Old Growth
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2001, 05:45:18 PM »
Received a "heads up" call today from the Deputy Forest Supervisor, Huron-Manistee National Forests  telling me that the Forest Supervisor's Decision Notice for the Forests' Plan Amendment on Old Growth was going in the mail today after the public comment period.

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