Hydraulic hose's.

[BargeMonkey]

 Found 2 complete packages for sale used, going to compare that to morradian's package and probably jump when I get home. Only problem is 1 is 3phase, which isn't a huge problem but a bigger headache if I set it up at my sawmill. My dad and i have talked about it for 10+ yrs, but never could justify it. Like anything I ask lots of questions before I jump, we don't part with money very easily. 

[coxy]

Barge  your saying your so tight you squeeze a nickel till the buffalo craps

[BargeMonkey]

   my family invented copper wire by stretching a penny.  .  Lost the engine in my 2001 ranger pickup last saturday, had looked at a newer duramax service truck the day before but said no because I hadn't squeezed every ounce of life out of my little truck. Won't blink at buying a newer machine but a new truck, HA. 

[CTL logger]

I've had a gates 707 for 15 years bought it used when I had tri axle trucks with loaders I used it all the time. Now with the processor/forwarder I use it a lot less but when you need it you can make any hose.  The gates 4 wire fittings are 2 piece if you take a zip wheel and chisel you can cut off the outer collar pull the fitting out of the hose put a new collar on and crimp. I've saved a pile of money the last 5 years on 1 inch 4 wire fittings. I've never had one come apart after reusing the fitting.

[Ken]

  The gates 4 wire fittings are 2 piece if you take a zip wheel and chisel you can cut off the outer collar pull the fitting out of the hose put a new collar on and crimp. I've saved a pile of money the last 5 years on 1 inch 4 wire fittings. I've never had one come apart after reusing the fitting.

Good point CTL logger.  I too only use 4 wire hoses and reuse the fitting part several times.  Those larger ones are very expensive and they are quite reusable.  Also, if a crimped hose is built properly there is no reason for them to leak or blow apart.  Years ago when we were running some older cable skidders it was common to repair hoses in the woods an axe, hardwood stump and reusable fittings.   I don't think I would like to try that with possibility of contaminating a very expensive hydraulic system with pieces of steel and rubber which inevitably gets severed when cutting the end and not having some air there to blow out the crud.

[1270d]

We always have the guys blow a "cork" through the new hoses after they are made.   They are soft foam ear plug looking things a little bigger than the ID of the hose.   I think some should be surprised at the junk that comes out.   Hydraulic system.s are too expensive on this stuff to mess around with dirty parts.

[CTL logger]

I told the one shop I sometimes buy hose and fittings from about reusing the fittings and they told me it would never work and never stay together. It's never been a problem if you check the crimp everytime, I also buy non gates hose they said that won't work either but it's all sae standard size hose. They just don't like me shopping elsewhere. 

[BargeMonkey]

I like the idea of the reusable ends, I'm a fan of saving as much as I can when I can. I'm leery of doing it for customers, another local guy is in the middle of a lawsuit over a hose end coming off and spraying someone, I don't know all the particulars but I want to avoid trouble at all cost. The city guy who gets a hose made at 7pm on a Saturday is going to pay dearly anyway, already see what it's going to cost to sit on the stuff.  Waiting to hear but looks like I'm headed to CT when I get home, guy has just what I'm looking for, with some fittings. Right before christmas CASH goes alot further.

[whitepine2]

   I want to say don't mix and match hose,only use the hose that is afford by the manufacturer of the machine. If it's for yourself that's one thing but with the lawyers if you are selling be warned (DON"T DO IT). It is bad enough when you do things right things can go wrong. When setting up the press you will need to mic. the flange until it's right on the money too much no good,too little no good could be trouble then if you mix and match only God knows. I have a weather head system,started with hydrowflex system many years ago when working at hydraulic shop. Like said for yourself it's up to you I do stuff for me and friends and will mix like a return low pressure line but it's under my control. Yes it will cost $$$$ to get set up best to buy in bulk hose and ends and just get what you will need the most common sizes ends are dear and can cost as much as the hose you will make that being said there is nothing like making up a line in 15-20 min. and back to work,well worth the investment.
            Just be careful and use common sense my 2 cents   

[snowstorm]

   I want to say don't mix and match hose,only use the hose that is afford by the manufacturer of the machine. If it's for yourself that's one thing but with the lawyers if you are selling be warned (DON"T DO IT). It is bad enough when you do things right things can go wrong. When setting up the press you will need to mic. the flange until it's right on the money too much no good,too little no good could be trouble then if you mix and match only God knows. I have a weather head system,started with hydrowflex system many years ago when working at hydraulic shop. Like said for yourself it's up to you I do stuff for me and friends and will mix like a return low pressure line but it's under my control. Yes it will cost $$$$ to get set up best to buy in bulk hose and ends and just get what you will need the most common sizes ends are dear and can cost as much as the hose you will make that being said there is nothing like making up a line in 15-20 min. and back to work,well worth the investment.
            Just be careful and use common sense my 2 cents

just what he said. i had the sleeve blow off a fitting. the brand of fitting wasnt the brand of the hose. it spilt the sleeve the length  of it in 2 places. from the time it went bang until the low oil alarm came on was less than 30 sec

[CTL logger]

I guess I wasn't saying use any hose and any fittings I always use gates fittings with my gates machine. But I quit buying gates hose because the cost I had a whole roll of 1/2" 2 wire gates that kept getting cracks in the outer cover gates wouldn't do anything about it I did some research found that in 1" 4 wire hose if it's stamped sae100r12 it's an industry standard size  1" inside 1.50" outside. I'm not saying this is the case in all sizes but I make more 4 wire hoses than anything else and never have issues. I've  also never sold a single hose to anyone if I was in the business of selling hose I'd be legally obligated to sell the correct product.

[Gearbox]

Someone I think Parker makes a foam slug that you shoot thru with air to clean the line after making your crimps . With the cost of pumps there is no way I would do a stump repair .
Gearbox

[whitepine2]

I guess I wasn't saying use any hose and any fittings I always use gates fittings with my gates machine. But I quit buying gates hose because the cost I had a whole roll of 1/2" 2 wire gates that kept getting cracks in the outer cover gates wouldn't do anything about it I did some research found that in 1" 4 wire hose if it's stamped sae100r12 it's an industry standard size  1" inside 1.50" outside. I'm not saying this is the case in all sizes but I make more 4 wire hoses than anything else and never have issues. I've  also never sold a single hose to anyone if I was in the business of selling hose I'd be legally obligated to sell the correct product.

Cracks on the outside don't mean much it's the wire that is important,that's where the pressure is the outside dont hold pressure. The outside keeps water off the steel on the inside so it don't rust. Somewhere I saw where someone made from pipe fitten a tool that had a cutter inside and you could put plastic pipe inside and turn it this inturn made a ribbon which could go over the line for protection much like the store bought ones but much cheaper,like a poor mans protector.
  You gotta be careful because the gates fittings are made for Gates hose some can be crossed over but you should check with Gates and or the manufacturer of the hose.Like I stated before the fitting should be micked to a certain crimp set up by the manufacturer,this is critical in making hose a lot more than meets the eye. Like said for yourself go for it but be aware there can be repercussions. Man got killed in next town over,had put a new hose on loader,they found him under the bucket in the morning and as I understand it was a new hose made by IH end came off and squashed him didn't see it coming. I wont walk under any bucket after hearing this and take great pains when making up a line.             

[CTL logger]

Cracks on the outside don't mean much it's the wire that is important,that's where the pressure is the outside dont hold pressure. The outside keeps water off the steel on the inside so it don't rust. Somewhere I saw where someone made from pipe fitten a tool that had a cutter inside and you could put plastic pipe inside and turn it this inturn made a ribbon which could go over the line for protection much like the store bought ones but much cheaper,like a poor mans protector.
  You gotta be careful because the gates fittings are made for Gates hose some can be crossed over but you should check with Gates and or the manufacturer of the hose.Like I stated before the fitting should be micked to a certain crimp set up by the manufacturer,this is critical in making hose a lot more than meets the eye. Like said for yourself go for it but be aware there can be repercussions. Man got killed in next town over,had put a new hose on loader,they found him under the bucket in the morning and as I understand it was a new hose made by IH end came off and squashed him didn't see it coming. I wont walk under any bucket after hearing this and take great pains when making up a line.             

Your absolutely correct I mic every crimp it's the only way to make sure your machine is working properly. And cracks in the cover aren't a big deal until these hoses are on a truck mounted loader driving down salted winter roads and every couple of days you replacing the same 4 hoses over and over again. I only wanted them to replace the 300' spool I had bought I put a bunch of hoses in a sealed container shipped it to gates in Denver Colorado and it was never seen again. I'm just saying in my application cracks in the cover mattered a lot.

[beenthere]

CTL
If you remove the "slash" (/) in the first quote bracket, then your quote will show up as a quote. FYI

Can do that with "modify" and then check the results with "preview"..  Hope that helps.

[whitepine2]

   CTL that is what the outside coating is for and in your case will be needed but on off road equipment not so important. It's just that folks see the coating damaged and get bent out of shape over it, I will admit I feel the same way and want to change out the hose but not relay necessary until
rust starts to appead.

[BargeMonkey]

 A perfectly good hose that has the covering falling off and split will get us an MSHA violation measured in the thousands of dollars, I bet I've spent 3k with bailey hydraulic on the plastic hose wrap the last few yrs to cut down on worn hoses and still need to wrap a few more machines.    Ive been sitting here tracking down hose and fittings, a fair amount of deals on ebay and amazon.

[CTL logger]

A perfectly good hose that has the covering falling off and split will get us an MSHA violation measured in the thousands of dollars, I bet I've spent 3k with bailey hydraulic on the plastic hose wrap the last few yrs to cut down on worn hoses and still need to wrap a few more machines.  :D  Ive been sitting here tracking down hose and fittings, a fair amount of deals on ebay and amazon.

I've spent a considerable amount of money on hose wrap I've bought boxes of the plastic wrap kind it's a pain to put on but helps make the hoses last. On my processor on the main pressure and return line they are run through a nylon sleeve then plastic is wrapped around it. The return line lasted 4 years but I probably put 3 pressure lines on a year. I keep a main pressure line on hand at all times  you can wrap 2+ hrs in going to one of those hoses.

[BargeMonkey]

 I use alot of the wrap, some of the hose cover and some of the wire, anything to cut back on hoses. Just scored a nice used Parker hose machine with dies up to 1-1/4 in good shape for dirt cheap money. Heading out to Kleis to look at that hooder 7000 they have sitting there, I'm sure that's going to need hoses, at least now I'm not going to pay thru the nose and lose 3-4hrs when I need a hose.

[starmac]

Got to love them hoses. I got to leave my truck in the hills tonight, because of a hose on the log loader. The loader went down soon after starting to load my truck this morning, so I got to sit there for the rest of the day and ride out with the crew leader. He just called and didn't have what he needed at the mill, so can't leave to head back out there till 8 in the mornin, get there at 10:30 or so, add in two or threee hours to get it back together and everything warmed up enough to start, means a long day for me tomorrow. SO as it turns out not only does their hose cost them, but cost me plenty too.