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General Forestry => Sawmills and Milling => Topic started by: dad2nine on August 28, 2007, 11:50:11 PM

Title: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on August 28, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
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Picture speaks 1000 words  :)
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: treebucker on August 29, 2007, 09:42:22 AM
Goat head? Pronghorn sheep? Devil?
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: scsmith42 on August 29, 2007, 03:07:04 PM
Nah, that's "mother in law without makeup"!   :D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: flip on August 29, 2007, 05:10:40 PM
 :o :o :o  :D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on August 30, 2007, 12:45:20 AM
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Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on August 30, 2007, 12:49:19 AM
If I ever find Virgin Mary, I'm keeping it  ;)
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: SCSawyer on August 30, 2007, 08:11:11 PM
 :D : OMG ROFLMMFAO  :o
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: WDH on August 30, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
The last pic is a rhinoceros ::).
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on September 02, 2007, 10:35:26 PM
Bit into a Red Maple tree last week that was looking pretty bad, so we cut it off the stump. At first we thought the tree was overcome with ambrosia beetles and would make some realy nice ambrosia maple. When I got it on the mill and opened it up, it has some unusual markings and not many ambrosia beetle tracks at all. I was wondering if anyone knows what this called or what should I call it? I ain't never seen anything quite like it before.

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Thanks
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: WDH on September 02, 2007, 11:23:28 PM
Is the wood solid in the dark areas?  Is it gum/resin streaks?
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on September 02, 2007, 11:33:40 PM
WDH - I at first thought it might be pitch pockets, but the wood is solid. I poked a few of the streaks with my knife and it's solid like the surrounding wood.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: WDH on September 02, 2007, 11:35:59 PM
Maybe it is mineral streaks.  Maybe Ron W. can elucidate for us.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Ron Wenrich on September 03, 2007, 02:41:49 PM
It looks like gum streak cherry, to me.  But, you should know if its cherry or maple.    ;)  Mineral streak in maple is usually black in color.  But, I've seen sugar streaks that are pretty red.  It occurs in both hard and soft maple.

If that isn't it, I think it looks a lot like gum streak.  That's caused in cherry by peach borer.  If you harvest during the early summer, you'll make habitat for the peach borer.  Then they go out and infect the residual cherry trees.  A veneer buyer told me he could tell when the last time a cherry stand was harvested by the location of the gum streak.  You don't get them when harvested in the cooler months. 

There is an American plum borer that attacks maple. 

Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 03, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
Just a guess here, but a suggestion from the WoodTech book.

Pith fleck: caused by cambium injury by the larvae of flies in the genus Phytolobia which lays an egg in the cambium (live tissue). It mines down through the stem and emerges in the ground to pupate. I'd say the tree has been attacked for several years to get it showing up deep in the heart. The tree reacted to the injury and occludes the tunnels with a mass of parenchymatous cells contaning dark contents. A short time later the cambium closes in over the mass of wound tissue, and normal wood is produced thereafter.

Does this sound like what might be happening?

I would definitely attribute it to an insect, just not sure this suggestion is the one.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: metalspinner on September 03, 2007, 07:04:16 PM
I've seen similar markings in a hard maple log.  My sawyer called it bird peck.  From the end of the log, you could see healed wounds from a woodpecker all the way around the perimeter of the log.  I think it is very attractive and set the boards aside for something special. :)
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2007, 07:24:15 PM
Is this pair/chunk for sale?   I see a moose in there!

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Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Radar67 on September 03, 2007, 07:29:50 PM
It could also be a Hippo.

Stew
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2007, 07:33:26 PM
It could be, but either one would fit well into my family. ;D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: inspectorwoody on September 03, 2007, 07:47:05 PM
Imagination runs wild when you see those boards!  :D

IMO, the pictures of the Soft Maple appear to have quite a bit of mineral streaks. I see the similar thing in Hickory around bird pecks.

Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 04, 2007, 05:08:04 AM
Sap suckers can be bad, and they do come back to the same tree. But, as I look at those streaks they look about the size of a darning needle and if you look at how one streak lines up with several sections up and down the stem, it does look like something burrowed  down the stem. The streaks are broken because the bug is meandering. But, of course mineral streak might look like that because the grain of the wood is not in a straight path akin to a saw blade. But I don't see a pattern like a sapsucker would make when he rings the tree bark. Seems random.

If we only could look as the slabs.  Pretty please with sugar on top. ;D  :D :D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Ron Wenrich on September 04, 2007, 05:44:17 AM
Its not the right color for mineral streak.  Bird peck is a lot different than that.  It doesn't go in lines down the tree.  Bird peck may have some discoloration, but it radiates out from the injury.

I like the borer theory.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on September 04, 2007, 10:00:11 PM
I'm thinking it's a result of some type of boring insect but I'm not seeing any insect holes. It  looks like Swam Donkey is right, the tree was on a pond bank in a cow pasture... kinda makes sense if I think about it. I'm going to call the lumber from this red maple tree Pith Fleck Red Maple  ;)

One other question I Ripped into another red maple yesterday that I think is mineral streak, am I right?

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Jeff... I have those two boards sticked in with a bunch of other red maple on one of Scott' kiln carts. If I can find them, I'll set them aside for you. I guess I should have marked em  :(
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Ron Wenrich on September 05, 2007, 05:40:04 AM
I would call that mineral streak. 
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: dad2nine on September 05, 2007, 02:24:23 PM
Ron Thanks - I thought that's what it was called... I'm fairly new to sawing, only been at it for about a year and 1/2 - but having a good time doing it. It's great you guys let me bounce questions off you. I'm still waiting for this thread to be turned into something to do with food  :)
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: OneWithWood on September 08, 2007, 09:48:02 PM
Now that you mention it, that wood reminds me of a chocolate layer marble cake  food6
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: inspectorwoody on September 12, 2007, 10:31:55 PM
dad2nine

First picture of your post appears to be IMO, quite a bit of stain.  The other two show some mineral but it appears you have hit the heartwood.

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The lumber above was one board but due to planer limit, you can see I split it. I'm not sure how long this board has been air drying but it has been quite a few years. I found it leaning againest the wall with some other lumber while tearing out the sawmill. Moisture content was 7%.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 13, 2007, 05:38:01 AM
Spalted yellow birch looks exactly the same. My brother used some of mine and had a gun case built. It was not real dry at the time, and the doors did warp some. The rest of the cabinet was stable.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Max sawdust on September 14, 2007, 06:42:37 AM
Inspectorwoody,
Those pics are some nice classic pictures of spalt.  It is my understanding that the black "ink" lines are what turners like.
I am milling up a dead standing Soft Maple, that has heavy spalt in the skirt wood ;D, unfortunately it also is quite wormy >:( 
max
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Ron Wenrich on September 14, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Spalted Ambrosia maple.  Seems like that would work, too.   ;)
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Tom Sawyer on September 14, 2007, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on September 14, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Spalted Ambrosia maple.  Seems like that would work, too.   ;)

I have about 600bft of spalted ambrosia maple right now for sale if anybody wants to come and pick it up. :)  Oops, wrong board ::)