Just got news of another price drop of 50.00 per mbdft, took a 50.00 hit a few weeks ago. Anyone else having price drops ??? On a large lot, going to cut the fw and very best stuff, ship to someone else and probably shut down till prices come back. Just when you get on a roll. :D
Barge, mine went up on the good saw logs . Its just a weird world how things go around and around
Sent a load of red oak last week mixed pallet to veneer that avg $630. mbf. I won't know exact break down till middle of next week.
Quote from: ehp on April 13, 2016, 07:22:49 AM
Barge, mine went up on the good saw logs . Its just a weird world how things go around and around
If it weren't for that exchange rate, I'm sure we'd be in the same boat.
Quote from: Ed_K on April 13, 2016, 08:05:29 AM
Sent a load of red oak last week mixed pallet to veneer that avg $630. mbf. I won't know exact break down till middle of next week.
Would you consider that good or bad?
yes but our dollar has climbed lots and the price is either the same or higher that what it was during the winter
Basswood pallet bolts were up $5.00 per cord on last weeks load.
I shipped 30k ft of mixed kind of rutty RO and averaged 560 mbdft. That's the lowest I've gotten on a check in a long time, they scaled it Monday and had dropped the price friday. Now another 50 drop. I'm doing ok @ 600, even on a mile skid. You start going 400-500 across the board on decent saw logs and it's time to stop. :D Im sitting on 1.5-2mil ft right now, hate to sell real good stuff cheap.
Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Here in western nova scotia we are at $294 /thousand for premium spruce saw logs and most of the local hardwood is selling for around 90 bucks a cord roadside prices
Here's our most recent quarter's prices from ODF:
http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/Working/Pages/TimberSales.aspx
I don't think they've changed much for a while.
Quote from: RHP Logging on April 13, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
Quote from: BargeMonkey on April 13, 2016, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: RHP Logging on April 13, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
its disgusting the trees that go to waste on them lands NY would be out of the hole and they could pay every person in the state a good chunk of change every month to live :D :D :D :D my wood just went up 10 bucks a thou on some not much but better than the other way I should start thinking like some around here its going up so lets go buy a new new skidder and have it a few months till they repo it :D :D things will go up after we get the good guy in office there will be lots of industry in ny I hope :) :) :-X :-X
bargemonkey isn't the only one sittin on a lot of wood up here I have about the same all the easy skidder wood has been cut the rest of it is on steep ground long ways from the road the days of getting the mill to bob out thru the fields a mile to the skidder pile and sort wood is done around here the wood is big and hard to get and you need to build a professional landing and put the wood roadside to get the good money doin some small spring jobs seein where the markets are goin hearin that ash lumber is getting hard to move tryin to decide where to land for the summer firewood markets are shot and pulpmills are full it is a crazy time to decide what to do bout a hour from barge and my forwarder is the only one around here get log buyers leavin cards all the time sayin if id have heard a saw or machines runnin id have walked up nice wood give me a call and see what I can do for you
here right now they want us to pay $750/1000 for standing red oak . I will not pay that as you will go broke pretty fast at that price . I walked a bush with big red oak that would be 48 inch DBH or bigger and it sold for $880/1000 which is crazy cause little veneer in it
sounds like you are in the same range we were in acouple years ago the mills were payin a buck a ft standing no one cd buy any wd the jobbers were wrkin for nothing and you wouldn't avg 850 delivered to the mill they were taxin the independents for overpayin on the stump to have the wood in inventory
Our Red Oak took a dive but only in a small bracket. Sawlogs (tie log) must be 12" inside to inside, price still holding. Scrag wood is holding...so everything in between has fallen out. I guess this means no switch ties are being bought and cants dumped from what I can figure.
Quote from: BargeMonkey on April 13, 2016, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: RHP Logging on April 13, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
Standing timber you mean? I thought you had that much decked. I like hearing numbers from other guys. I cut and landed 1.3 mill by my lonesome last year and I took a bunch of time off. Too many kids at home. I'd like to see my numbers from a year I worked every day.
went and looked at a pretty good hard maple bush , The winning bid was just over $1800/1000 on standing timber based off the land owners forester scale . I would not even come close to that price , a mill up north bought it .
boy I thought I had it ruff those Canadian prices are like are finish lumber prices and there still a tree in the timber!!!!
I see these guys talk about doing 3-3-5 trailer loads a day and I always ask, how far of a skid ??? I hear 100 yds, I don't think I've had 10pyd skid on 3% of my jobs. Close to 1mil right now, be over 1 mile next week when we go over the other side. Yeah it's kind of disgusting, the mill I ship to literally runs out of logs day before christmas, and now wants to jerk me around. I'm good with that, I can afford to wait them out. Trying a load to someone else next week, see how this goes.
I've never kept much track of footage, at 31 I still don't think I've cut 1mil ft a yr parttime. Alot of firewood and pulp so I don't know how you want to figure that in. ???
I typically cut for a mill so i keep track of every stick. Its just easier right now with all the kids at home instead of buying my own wood. Im 34 and when it comes to work i like knowing what im producing every day. My goal last year was 1 mill ft sent to the mill, but that didn't happen due to a wet nov/dec. It was more like 900k and some change. The remainder comes from pulp converted to bf. Its easier to talk in whole numbers even though i think if i was cutting just logs it wood have been a higher number. Pulp just takes longer for the same volume. Especially hand cut. 2.2 cords per mbf is the conversion.
A mile is a super long skid. Anything over a quarter mile skid(out of the woods) and i get an extra kick from the mill. Usually another 10-20 per mbf. They will pay a little more to get the wood where they want it, usually. You may have to talk a little buisness with your mill, like preferantial pricing for a good supplier. It happens. They need the wood as bad as you need to sell it (for most loggers anyway).
1/2 mile skid is long, we will set another landing for sure if outside that.
1/2 mile is a walk in the park for me most is 1mile + the truck drivers here don't even want to go on dirt roads let alone go off road there truck my get dusty 2 years ago I did a 400a piece it was 3.3 miles from the back to the landing 6 skids of 8 is all I could do daylight till dark by my self good thing it was down hill and half flat or I think I would still be there we did 2 100a + jobs back in 2000 they where 600 feet wide and 9,367 feet long on a side hill built road from the landing to the end with 2 jd 350 dozers that was a trip
The job I'm on right now has some short skid wood "less than 500 yds" I will have to break my measuring wheel out and figure out the distance from my slasher to the back. Down this way "bacon strips" is the popular way to divide land, so you will find alot of stuff like Coxy said. I've cut lots I could see both boundary lines on, but where 1/2+ long. About 5 hitches from being 1/2 done on this lot, almost 300 cord sitting in the pile, I've shipped about 40mbdft so far, that's the problem with highgrading.
the long skid is mostly due to it being so steep around here so you have a lot of switch backs to come around barge I did a job over by you back in 02- 03 was 80a and had 5switch backs to get to the top some of the nicest h maple i ever cut 8out of 10 was veneer i would say 15% had harts the size of dimes went back last year to look at it again :( what i left the caterpillars got what a shame 15-20in maples dead
same here lots of times over an hour n half a turn loading out of a bunch pile burn as much fuel climbing the hill as coming out loaded probably more cant load over the rack or they will shoot over the cab sometimes built the rack up some but them u tend to load too heavy on the flat ground had a guy load a triaxle once right off the buggy only had to grab three sticks out of the pile that was a long run had a cutter and dozer man runnin had to come in 2 hrs ahead of them to keep up big wood that job avg 144 to a stick over 350 to a tree and the beech looked like log trees nice bowl on a southwest hillside lots of times bringing the wood out on a neighbor helps if they get along
Here we got a lot of patches of timber surrounded by fields an 80ac of timber is big for us skidding usually not a problem getting to the landing across fields is the big problem. In summer we tend to do are pasture jobs cause all the fields are planted but there usually pretty low quality.
I have a strange feeling things are going to drop in price around here pretty soon, just to many signs are saying that and the mills are backing off on buying stuff from different loggers that they do not buy from full time . . Seen 120,000 feet of good logs last week the mill turned down so it going to hit the fan here pretty soon
Same here, mills are packed with wood in Mid April which typically doesn't happen til late June. With scragg wood, peelers, and pulp markets jammed up its going to be a long summer. :(
Just got knocked down 10$ /mbf on my spruce, mill is plugged up with wood apparently. Not suprising the weather has been perfect at least around here sunny 70 no bugs and no mud!
Sent 4 loads last week and the price drop went into affect yesterday so that's nice at least.
Had the talk on Wed with the Mill, I'm suppose to be ok and cut as much as I want which I am hoping is true cause I got lots to cut
Only shipped 1 ld last wk, paid fairly well for marginal wood. Every yard is full of wood, and now with NYS regulations on WA I think your going to see alot of guys slow right down. What I'm cutting now is close to junk on top of the mountain, about 45mins round trip to a drag. I cut for 3 straight days last wk, I don't think I've ever had this much wood laying on the ground before.
Spruce and balsam just went up $35/mbf last week to $285.
It's all in the tank here. 100" sugar maple flooring bolts and 10' maple and basswood sawlogs are still moving and that's it. No one is buying hardwood or softwood pallet bolts. We're on a 20 cord a month quota on basswood and aspen pulp. I haven't checked the hardwood pulp market as all of mine is going into my own firewood side.
here the good blocking mills are jam packed softwood is a tuff sell no orders coming into the mills for them, the good grade mills and tie mills are paying pretty good but not a lot of log movement. The drury days of summer have arrived veneer buyer shutting down buying at end of month for the summer. So ur left with grade and under to cut.. I got a large couple 100k bdft tract offered to me along a creek, easy access and cutting but what do u do when the good mills for blocking don't care to add to there large inventory of logs plus I hauling 2 hours round trip for a 1000 dollar load I get half plus have to do all the work I think its not the time. That's why I have other businesses this time of year I'm not that dedicated :D :D :D
I have purposely kept my "real" job because I knew right now wasn't the time to jump. Bought some nice WO and big pine the other day, short skid but about vertical. More and more of these 10-40 acre woodlots that are overgrown and marginal wood. I can't complain, my buyer treats me pretty good, they are sawing almost 100k a day in Davenport so they still need a steady supply.
I divide my tree up between as much as 5 sawmills here and veneer exporter. Theres not a one stop mill paying great for veener, grade, tie ,mat log, blocking etc. Here each mill has there own niche market and knowing each ones strong point gets us the best market price for each log and in return tree.. We cut a lot of different species though..
Quote from: coxy on April 13, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
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Quote from: RHP Logging on April 13, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
its disgusting the trees that go to waste on them lands NY would be out of the hole and they could pay every person in the state a good chunk of change every month to live :D :D :D :D my wood just went up 10 bucks a thou on some not much but better than the other way I should start thinking like some around here its going up so lets go buy a new new skidder and have it a few months till they repo it :D :D things will go up after we get the good guy in office there will be lots of industry in ny I hope :) :) :-X :-X
They call it "forever wild" my friends and I call it forever wasteland lol the timber is unbelievable
I know where some cherry is sitting that will tip over and die before it's ever cut. Gorgeous stuff, it's just the whole ankle bracelet thing you know. :D we have 1 guy local who is blacklisted from the major buyer in our area for that type of thing, do my best to stay honest.
Bought some WO, I've never actually cut a WO in my life. Just not right in my area, this lot has RO, rock and WO. About 1/2 done where I'm at now, got 30-40kft down in the lower part to cut and 200 cord more and get moved finally. Supposedly price will pick back up, I still averaged 540 the other day, the oak was mostly marginal, keeps fuel in my tank. :D
Sent a mixed load of oak 2 weeks ago, it averaged $527. waiting on last weeks it was mixed species pallet to #1.
Shipped 3 loads of red oak, a few cherry last week. Took extra time to cut for clear faces,sweep, most of which were 3 clear and better. Cut many 16' that were 3 and 4 CF, no sweep. Log spec sheet from the mill stated $600/mbf for prime. Received $424/mbf average. And the mill is begging for logs. Good luck with that.
My logs will go north of the border again.
I sold a load of white @ red oak the red average was $585 the white oak average $602 some of the wo veneer paid $1325
there holding here :-X :-X never cut a white oak tree in my life go figure :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: coxy on May 20, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
there holding here :-X :-X never cut a white oak tree in my life go figure :laugh: :laugh:
Here I thought I was the only one. :D :D :D only one I ever saw nice enough to cut was behind our schools bus garage. We cut some massive RO off the farm when I was a kid, 1x 16' stick in the snow was all I could handle, loaded them with a chain because the rotobec head couldn't get around them. Yeah just bought 30-40mbdft of it, some nice pine, drops off so steep you can't crawl back up it. Im going to trademark / copyright cutting these small lots on private roads soon, other guys turn their noses up, 1 turns into 3, 3 turns into 6. :D city people with money, they could care less as long as the mess is gone, atv trails are in and they have a nice deer plot. 1/2 way thru my "extended vacation" now, have 30+ to cut and ship when I get home and get moved off this woodlot, been trying to wait out the wood surplus sitting here on the boat.
This job is only 11 acres my uncle cut the red oak thirty years ago there wasn't a good market for the white oak so they left it . One was 40" on the stump today. They do have a big button swell but still some very nice wood. I have photos on my iPhone but have never figured out how to put them on here.guess that's why I cut wood for a living😃
I sold SF sawlogs this week. Just under 5mbf load of 187 logs. The scale seemed fair to me and was right where I thought it would be. These trees are not too big with 12' and 16's running between 15bf and 50bf max, average 26.5 bf. I always estimate trees like this at 25 bf a log and then compare that to the scale I get. Lots of work but the price was ok $315mbf not great but holding. The log yard had shipped most of its wood over mud season and was not that full. I sold some nice maple to another yard a couple of weeks ago and got a bad scale. I figured two #1s and three #2s with the rest pallet but I thought that the #1 were pushing veneer. I only got 3 #2 sawlogs and the price was crumby I was mad but they cut checks on the spot and I needed fuel money. One thing I noticed was that the new price list has all black cherry straight through at $200 and no cherry veneer !!!! WOW! Maple is still ok here and I should have sold my maple to this yard.
we would go out of biz if cherry was only 200 that's 70-80 % OF what we cut around here in spots then its the same with ash
The lowest I get here is 250 which is blocking. And my blocking is barely good firewood. I pull tie, mat logs anything out of it before I call it blocking. Out of 10 loads I might have 1 load of blocking. Different timber different places I guess.
Correct my math if I'm wrong, it's 2.2 cord per mbdft. :D. Around 375-400 on the header is it, I will ship some nasty oak for 350 but anything decent goes for fw at the lower prices. I'm just far enough away that HW pulp doesn't pay, and trucking to Glens falls doesn't cover the fuel costs and eventual DOT problems, I don't care how new your truck and trailer is, and we have an ungodly maintenance program. I'm paying 40% right now, ship just enough hemlock pulp to keep my jobs clean, actually sawing every stick of junk in the yard right now into 4x4 and 6x6 for a large dunnage order. I hope with my 5-6wks off I can get done where I'm at, and moved. Have 30-40mbdft of real nice big stuff left I've been waiting to cut, good wood is hard to come by up here and hate giving it away. That WO job I've got is so steep I may need tips from you west coast guys on setting up a yarder, can't crawl back up it. ;D I couldn't give my first buncher away, 1187Case with a shear, I had it all measured out for a heel, grapple and add a winch just for working the banks on some of these steep jobs. My cousin cuts for wagner, we have this thing where if we buy something he has to buy something, I figured a "westcoast style yoader" would raise the bar. :D
My last two loads of r/b oak were within $10. avg at two different mills. Was trying out a different mill in N.H. trucking was expensive with the N.H. mill. Then on monday my reg mill email new price list, their up $50. on red oak. But they don't buy veneer so I'm going to try Columbia F.P. for my next lot. Price of s.wood on bloomberg was up to $331. but now dropped to $303. MBH.
I guess I am lucky with where I live. #4 red oak which is 9" 0 clear faces still pays $350 20" veneer red oak is $1400 surely are different prices depending on where you live
Quote from: Ed_K on May 21, 2016, 08:40:49 AM
My last two loads of r/b oak were within $10. avg at two different mills. Was trying out a different mill in N.H. trucking was expensive with the N.H. mill. Then on monday my reg mill email new price list, their up $50. on red oak. But they don't buy veneer so I'm going to try Columbia F.P. for my next lot. Price of s.wood on bloomberg was up to $331. but now dropped to $303. MBH.
is Columbia buying r oak again a few months ago my buyer for columbia didn't want any at that time I sell a lot of birch& h maple to them and some basswood when there buying it they had a great s maple price a few years ago to
I have found that 95% of the loggers I haul for claim they are losing money!!! Some have benn losing money for 30 years!!! Seem to live alright though!!! The market swings up then drops, but loggers forget the high spots!!
is Columbia buying r oak again a few months ago my buyer for columbia didn't want any at that time I sell a lot of birch& h maple to them and some basswood when there buying it they had a great s maple price a few years ago to
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I don't know, I wanted a load ready before I called. I haven't started my next lot, last week while climbing up to get the skidder going I pulled my left arm out of place and when I let go fell onto the rear ice chains and cracked some rib on the right side so I've been hanging around the house trying to get better. You watch, it'll rain all next week then I'll be hanging around some more :( .
Quote from: Woodhauler on May 21, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
I have found that 95% of the loggers I haul for claim they are losing money!!! Some have benn losing money for 30 years!!! Seem to live alright though!!! The market swings up then drops, but loggers forget the high spots!!
They keep you working, right? It's a good thing they don't give up because grocery money is tight.
Quote from: Woodhauler on May 21, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
I have found that 95% of the loggers I haul for claim they are losing money!!! Some have benn losing money for 30 years!!! Seem to live alright though!!! The market swings up then drops, but loggers forget the high spots!!
Sounds a lot like 95% of the truckers I know. :D
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Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
its disgusting the trees that go to waste on them lands NY would be out of the hole and they could pay every person in the state a good chunk of change every month to live :D :D :D :D my wood just went up 10 bucks a thou on some not much but better than the other way I should start thinking like some around here its going up so lets go buy a new new skidder and have it a few months till they repo it :D :D things will go up after we get the good guy in office there will be lots of industry in ny I hope :) :) :-X :-X
They call it "forever wild" my friends and I call it forever wasteland lol the timber is unbelievable
Im not siding with the DEP but the truth is there is more than enough private land in NY that has just as much wood going to waste. Right off the top of my head theres a local guy whos been trying to sell a 2500acre lot for 10 years and has owned it his whole life, never logged and is asking an insane amount of $$ for its sentimental value to him. Again im not siding with the DEP but deadfall trees are a very important part of the eco system but I do think some should be harvested.
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Yer sittn on 1.5-2 mill bf? What are you? Some kind of timber Baron?
Not even close. I'm a small ant on a big hill around here. :D you get in some of these spots in upstate NY / Catskill's area and there is wood to be cut. I walked a job and came in 2nd on bid, the light cut was 400mbdft, the big cut in 5yrs will be 2mil ft. The wood is out there, I can count 10-12 lots Ive got and come up with 1mil+, most of its paid for already. We are primarily an excavation / mining company, i run the wood end when im home. I buy alot of small parcels, but when I do I buy 6-8-10 of them at once if I can to cut. We make the joke if I came home right now to cut fulltime, I wouldn't leave "town" for 2yrs. It's out there you just need to go find it. Didn't mean to make the comment to brag, once I have my pile of FW up for the yr and some saw logs for us we will park everything till the price comes back up.
"COXY".... how much wood is going to waste on DEP land ??? If most of you guys in other parts of the country saw the wood we have around on state and DEP land you would be sick.
its disgusting the trees that go to waste on them lands NY would be out of the hole and they could pay every person in the state a good chunk of change every month to live :D :D :D :D my wood just went up 10 bucks a thou on some not much but better than the other way I should start thinking like some around here its going up so lets go buy a new new skidder and have it a few months till they repo it :D :D things will go up after we get the good guy in office there will be lots of industry in ny I hope :) :) :-X :-X
They call it "forever wild" my friends and I call it forever wasteland lol the timber is unbelievable
Im not siding with the DEP but the truth is there is more than enough private land in NY that has just as much wood going to waste. Right off the top of my head theres a local guy whos been trying to sell a 2500acre lot for 10 years and has owned it his whole life, never logged and is asking an insane amount of $$ for its sentimental value to him. Again im not siding with the DEP but deadfall trees are a very important part of the eco system but I do think some should be harvested.
Has DEP bought 30%+ of your town yet ? Raised land values so high that regular local people can't afford to buy or own land ? Their kids can't flat out keep the farm ? A septic system down here can be 20-40k bucks. The state is just as bad, but DEP flat out has no intention of harvesting wood on a large scale, it's land bought with federal money for clean water, they tell you where you can hike, hunt, fish, after you apply for a permit. The rich land owner with alot of wood at high prices is everywhere, I don't fall victim to those games. We literally own the border of the watershed, I almost wanted to put one of their stickers on my 460, they paid for it. ;)
barge funny you say 20-40 for crap tank about 15 years ago there was 10a on top of cat hollow on rt 206 cr7 half the land was water shed the other half not (depends on witch way the water runs) the only place to get a nice house lot was in the water shed it was 18k at that time to put in a crapper had to have a big pile of sand in the middle of my lawn in front of my new house ??? not going to happen with me so i walked away and every 3years they had the right to come and inspect it if they thought there was a problem you had to fix it to there specs again and more or less another 4-8k or more
I hope that Mr Coxy will back up that what I'm about to say is as close to the truth as possible, because this a sore issue with me.
It's not about the wood, I could care less. NYC has had this plan going for 100+ yrs. I doubt they will burn towns, move graves and up root family's again but I don't put it past them. They want you to move, they want you to sell out to the rich guy from NYC who comes up 4 weekends a yr. It's an aggressive socioeconomic attack on poor / middle class people, all to provide clean water to the "greatest city in the world".
My local school will probably survive 1 more yr. That's it. Not enough kids, it's been coming a while. No one can afford to build a large business in the watershed that doesn't cater to the weekenders. 2 biggest employers by me ??? Toothpaste and hard drugs at pharmaceutical labs. We have been waiting 18months on NYC approval. 12+ local jobs will be created, probably 20+ within a yr. I can show you a 6 million dollar home, and a tar paper shack with a family just making it, 5 miles apart in my county, the word poverty hits home especially in Schoharie / Greene /Delaware county.
So no jobs made less kids, less kids got rid of more jobs. No people means more vacant cheaper land for "recreational use". I'm all for responsible water use, but if you look closely you see the handwriting on the wall.
The family down the road from us sold out to NYC in late 90's, 600 an acre, now the going price is 2-4000+ an acre depending. See where I'm going with this ??? It's not the wood, it's slowly buying up every inch of ground around you, and then forcing you to obey their rules. They literally have their own police force, they actually tried enforcing traffic law on the roads they "technically" own, didn't last long but showed everyone what was going on. Again im all for clean water, responsible forestry, but this isn't what's going on.
No secret loggers in the watershed collect money for BMP's, I know a couple who make more on the bmp's than they probably do on the jobs. Money is put up by nyc /fed, clean water act, water bills and some of your tax dollars. It's a great program, but it's another form of control.
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :D :) i think if you look at the maps there must be at least 60%+ of all land just in Delaware co in the water shed
All so nyc doesn't have to filter their water . They chased our families out of the reservoir and now they are chasing them out of the entire watershed .
Oh I was just refering to were I live, the adirondacks. The problem here is not land cost or housing both are very cheap. The problem is lack of jobs, unless you own your own buisness or work for the govt its very hard to make a decent living up here. The exception being doctors and lawyers but they are far and few. Also we have something worse thanthe dep its called the APA, I got lucky and my land is not in one of there special zones so I can mostly do whatever I want.
As the price of land has went up, the migration has continued north. 20 yrs ago this side of the mountain was the WV equivalent to Windham / Hunter. Now we have done the dirtwork for 2 houses on TV in my town, and avoid the roads on the weekends because of the city problem, I almost blew my cork trying to unload loglength roadside with 100 idiots on antique scooters flying by me on a Sunday morning, again it's all about making NY state 1 big recreational park for the rich. It's coming your way, don't worry. I'm literally not trying to bite the hand that feeds me, I think a few of you know where we are working and the lucrative money involved working for these govt organizations, I just don't think it's right. Got to get home, the girl from the watershed has been on me about pictures for the yearly loggers calendar. ;D
:D :D :D :D :D I almost spit my barley beverage all over the screen !
Quote from: breederman on May 22, 2016, 01:11:45 PM
:D :D :D :D :D I almost spit my barley beverage all over the screen !
Which part ???
At this point I'm sitting on the fence and really watching ;D, I got 3-100 acre cuts approved to be cut this year and people beating my door down wanting me to cut their bush but I'm a little scared that the bottom is going to fall out , I sure hope I'm wrong and I better be wrong at the price I paid for just these parcels :-[ :-[ :-[, these were marked over a year ago when things seemed abit stronger . I do think once Oct. hits here the price will be back and mills screaming for timber again, well at least that is what I keep telling myself ;D
I'm hearing that not only the timber industry but others as well are holding waiting to see November's election results :-\
Quote from: breederman on May 22, 2016, 01:11:45 PM
:D :D :D :D :D I almost spit my barley beverage all over the screen !
The logger calendar . I got an image in my head of one of those nude fireman calendars.
i just hope it don't skyrocket to fast so every tom dick and harry think there a logger like it was 12 years ago
donot think that is going to happen here , this past winter log prices got very high but also did the stumpage and most guys just cannot afford to pay that. When you start paying $200.000 plus just for stumpage on not a big bush that slows a lot of loggers down, only a few and the sawmills can afford to pay that