Hey Guys, really quick question. I went to my Stihl dealer today & I had a conversation with the rep. I asked if the 461 had the M-tronics & it doesn't. It's the only one in the pro line that doesn't have it. Is that going to be a problem or do you think it's smart to buy it?
Pro's & con's? I really want the MS461 by next weekend, Thanks in advance
Depends on what you consider to be important. If you like to, or consider yourself carrying out repairs to your saws, do you think you'd have the capacity to repair an mtronic saw. You may also be just as content hand balling any repairs to the dealer. Some ppl frown at mtronic, can't say I blame them, and others love'm. There's just more that can go wrong with them l7ke any other mechanical/electrical device out there. So far, the mtronic saw I have purchased (362) has been good to me, but I am also aware that it is just a matter of time, we all get old eventually. On the + side, they allow you to concentrate on the job at hand, rather than playing with carb settings. Just my to bobs worth.
buy the carb 461 , I honestly hope they never bring out a 461 with m-tronic . At least with a carb you can set the jets to get the saw to run proper , a lot harder to do with m-tronic or autotune
I am in opposite camp, M-tronic is a better saw. Theres no way we as users can keep a saw as close to perfect as that chip can. Every tank of gas or fuel mix or temp or altitude even chain sharpness when we are cutting. Those are just some of variables that chip constantly adjusts as we run the saw. I don't mean to seem like an ass but people that want or feel the need to turn screws are only ones fussing about the saws. We all know that before long someone will have soft ware you can put on your lap top and diagnose one of them. Just my opinion.
IMHO Get the MS461, before they are gone. Great saw. Love mine. I like it and my MS361 more than my M-tronic MS261CM.
Thanks guys, it sounds to be opinion based, always mixed reviews. I'm a Carpenter, not a Mechanic. So every 2 yrs I let my dealer tune it up, and I'm ok with that. I really wish I could by the 441 but they stopped making that model. So I guess I will be buying the 461 next week, unless someone wishes to talk me out of it ;D
I run and just bought another 461 arctic , believe me if the saw was not good I would not own it . AS far as the Mtronic being better than me and my screwdriver that's not even close . For me to even run a saw with mtronic or autotune I need to modded how it works as they are not very close on jetting , days like today where its 100% humidity the mtronic or autotune run so rich the saws will barely run
The 461 will last you for many years with basic maintenance and any small engine shop can make adjustments to carb, whereas the M tronic and/or Autotune saws need special diagnostic equipment and not many shops have the equipment, knowledge base to work with the electronics.
I have a 460 Arctic and it is great all around saw, but has been replaced by the 461.
I also have 4 months of running a 461 and it is a very nice saw with better fuel economy, improved AV and a smooth as silk performance.
In the future I am going to add a 461 Arctic to my work saws, the 461 is that good!
I had a 461 that I ran for 2 years falling timber, day in and day out. Most reliable saw I've had, Only problem I had besides breaking the normal stuff like pull ropes, etc... was a tooth on the chain tensioner gear broke, but it would still tighten it after I got the broken piece out. I ran a 441 m tronic for a while, got rid of it, maybe I was too picky. My 661 that is m tronic has quirks but its ok. Neither of the m tronics were as stable and predictable as that 461. That's my .02
Well the future may almost be here for a upgrade.
This is coming over the horizon soon.
Not sure what it'll be called....MS462.....MS442?
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The 461 is one of the best Stihl saws available now. It does have an electronically adjusted ignition system, with a speed limiter. Which I dont care for too much since here they run 99% of the time with full chisel chains on 18" bars. Maybe the ignition is great for longer bars.
The muffler is a bit restricted.
I replace the stock muffler body with that of a MS460 Magnum.
Ditto the ignition coil.
Exchange the 0.68 jet with a more generous 0.70
Knock out the lugs on the limiter caps for more tuning options. And exchange the 7 tooth rim for an 8 tooth.
With an 18" bar it becomes a formidable saw which has fuel consumption less than a 460 by nearly 20%, thanks to its exhaust stratified engine design.
But it in its present form. The M-tronic would only 'tame' this mighty saw
Joe
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 17, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Well the future is almost here for a 461 upgrade.
This is coming over the horizon soon.
Not sure what it'll be called....MS462?
Pictures from over 2 years ago.
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Hey Holmen. When are you speculating that they will come out with the upgraded one, 462?
And thanks to everyone for there thoughts!
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on October 16, 2016, 08:06:14 PM
Thanks guys, it sounds to be opinion based, always mixed reviews. I'm a Carpenter, not a Mechanic. So every 2 yrs I let my dealer tune it up, and I'm ok with that. I really wish I could by the 441 but they stopped making that model. So I guess I will be buying the 461 next week, unless someone wishes to talk me out of it ;D
I doubt they did, as it still is listed on several Stihl websites, including the German one. It just isn't on the US one at the moment - time will tell what's up.....
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on October 18, 2016, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 17, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Well the future may almost be here for a upgrade.
This is coming over the horizon soon.
Not sure what it'll be called....MS462....MS442?
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Hey Holmen. When are you speculating that they will come out with the upgraded one, 462?
And thanks to everyone for there thoughts!
Not sure about a MS462, may be a MS442 from what I see as the MS441 is no longer on the U.S. wesite
Also the 461 and 461R currently are $100 off MSRP at dealers serviced by NorthEast Stihl.
That sale lasts until November 30.
the 441 mtronic cut pretty good but they have to be reset here all the time .Hard to get a full week out of them before having to go back to dealer for reset
I have a feeling this new Stihl will be 70-72cc.
Husqvarna has something up their sleeve with a new 70cc and this saw will match it power and weight.
Weights in this class will be back down to just breaking 13lbs. Just like the 044, 371/372.
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 18, 2016, 04:34:55 PM
I have a feeling this new Stihl will be 70-72cc.
Husqvarna has something up their sleeve with a new 70cc and this saw will match it power and weight.
Weights in this class will be back down to just breaking 13lbs. Just like the 044, 371/372.
Hopefully you are right about the weight, the current 70cc saws have been gaining a lot of weight the last 15-17 years (since the original 044 and the 371xp).
As you surely know, a new Husky 70cc model (referred to as 572xp, and rumors of a larger one as well) was out as test saws several years ago, so the question lately has been what has been holding the release back. I haven't heard of a single sighting of a 70cc Stihl counterpart though, only the "462"?
Well as we all know about the interchangeably of parts within the 044 and 046 for example.
This so called test 462 can easily be made into one or the other, 71cc or 77cc.
I can see room for a new 85cc model reminiscent of the 1986 064AV , ........
Well, I have seen the new MS382. It is a 72cc like the 038, 380 and 381.
With the re-engineering it is really something. We expect to see it in shops here before this December.
However, it is already available in some countries.http://saforestryonline.co.za/articles/stihls-new-ms-382-chainsaw-unveiled/ (http://saforestryonline.co.za/articles/stihls-new-ms-382-chainsaw-unveiled/)
Highly unlikely we'll see the MS 381 in North-Am , it won't meet EPA but looks to be a nice power to weight ratio .
I was told sometime back that Stihl will be releasing a MS 462 but who knows for sure .
I wouldn't worry on getting a 461 , it's a good saw .
Quote from: nitehawk55 on October 19, 2016, 03:20:25 PM
Highly unlikely we'll see the MS 381 in North-Am , it won't meet EPA but looks to be a nice power to weight ratio .
I was told sometime back that Stihl will be releasing a MS 462 but who knows for sure .
I wouldn't worry on getting a 461 , it's a good saw .
I'm sure you are right about that - but as joe_indi said, the MS381 already has been replaced by the MS382 (at least in Brazil, where those models are made).
Quote from: nitehawk55 on October 19, 2016, 03:20:25 PM
Highly unlikely we'll see the MS 381 in North-Am , it won't meet EPA but looks to be a nice power to weight ratio .
The 382 would be available in 2 versions. The exhaust stratified 382 2Mix version and the 382 2stroke version.
I think the 2 mix version might be for places like the North American continent, maybe.
We are going to get the 2 stroke version.
I don't think just stratified will do it now for any new Stihl saws , they will have to be M-tronic to meet EPA .
What I understand is the new MS382 is based on the MS461 design and alot of their parts interchange.
So if the non M-Tronic 461 can be sold here the 382 should make it too.
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 19, 2016, 07:57:12 PM
What I understand is the new MS382 is based on the MS461 design and alot of their parts interchange.
So if the non M-Tronic 461 can be sold here the 382 should make it too.
The 382 uses the 038 (1119) platform, with modifications for several parts from the 046/460 (1228).
The notable change are on the clutch side. The drum comes off with the removal of an E-clip like in a 460. The drum is a 1128 not a 1119. So also the clutch. The biggest change is the oil pump. The oil pump no longer sits on the side to be driven by the spur and worm gears. It (a 1128) is fitted like on a 460 beneath the clutch, driven by the same worm as on a 460. Brake too is now much simpler. And no more cover with numerous screws to access the clutch area. It has a cover that resembles a 361/362 piece. The starter pawls, rotor, spring etc are all 1128, no longer 1119. And the flywheel has been remolded to engage the smaller 1128 pawls.
The crankcase has lots of mods especially in the cylinder area, to use the entirely new cylinders. 2 stroke has no stratification. 2 mix is exhaust stratified quite similar, as Holmen mentioned to the 461. I saw the 2 stroke version, which had the same 2 pole ignition like the 460. But I suppose the 2 mix version will have the 3 pole unit as in the 461. The piston remains a 52mm with some differences.
The exhaust is ported wide (dual ports), so everyone gets to know when you start up the saw :D.
But the 2 mix version may have something different, and if the 461 is the yardstick, I thing it would have a restricted port.
What is noticeable is the highly improved acceleration, in spite of the all metal flywheel.
I wonder what would be the performance of the 2 mix version with its stratification and electronically controlled ignition timing.
The 2 stroke version is a real bundle of power for a 72cc for its size. And if prized right it would give everything in its class a run for their money.
What is 2 Mix ? That terminology is new to me.
Never mind, I see Stihl has a page on it.
Thanks Joe, that's a lot of good information.
Now I see how they got the weight down to 13.6 lbs. Very light for a 72cc saw so I'm seeing this saw is designed for the pro market
I sure hope we get them here.
Yes thanks Joe great information. Looks like I may wait a little bit for these versions to come out
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 20, 2016, 08:09:03 AM
Thanks Joe, that's a lot of good information.
Now I see how they got the weight down to 13.6 lbs. Very light for a 72cc saw so I'm seeing this saw is designed for the pro market
I sure hope we get them here.
Looks like the 382 has lost almost a pound of weight compared to the 381, but the power specs still are the same 3.9 kW/5.3 hp. That still compares favorably to the 3.6 kW of the 038 Mag II though.
Yes just eliminating that old oil pump design with the all the spur and gear drives, and the over built chain brake would save alot of weight.
But that old design as over built as it was, was as good as aircraft quality in my opinion. Longevity has been proven as 30 year old 038 saws are still working today.
I don't know if there is room for both a new totally redesigned MS442 and MS382 in the North American 70cc market.
The consumer would have excellent choice though. One would be the Ferrari in softwood logging and the other a John Deere in hardwood logging and firewood. :)
Quote from: SawTroll on October 21, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
Looks like the 382 has lost almost a pound of weight compared to the 381, but the power specs still are the same 3.9 kW/5.3 hp. That still compares favorably to the 3.6 kW of the 038 Mag II though.
Yes, bore is the same and stroke (maybe ) too. So it delivers 5.3bhp, but how!
The new cylinder and crankcase (interior) designs make a lot of difference in how that 5.3bhp is delivered, with nearly 20% less fuel.
Let it reach the shops here, I will upload some very interesting pictures that would explain the real differences between the 381 and 382, that is if Holmen doesnt beat me to it. :D
Quote from: joe_indi on October 21, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 21, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
Looks like the 382 has lost almost a pound of weight compared to the 381, but the power specs still are the same 3.9 kW/5.3 hp. That still compares favorably to the 3.6 kW of the 038 Mag II though.
Yes, bore is the same and stroke (maybe ) too. So it delivers 5.3bhp, but how!
The new cylinder and crankcase (interior) designs make a lot of difference in how that 5.3bhp is delivered, with nearly 20% less fuel.
Let it reach the shops here, I will upload some very interesting pictures that would explain the real differences between the 381 and 382, that is if Holmen doesn't beat me to it. :D
Surely - but I still would prefer an original edition 372xp, that has the same power rating, but came with better AV and air filtration (+ likely a better "top end") and takes extremely well to porting etc. + the rather obvious fact that there are no "arctic" version of the 382, which is an absolute
must here.
My 372xpg was stolen some years ago.
Quote from: SawTroll on October 22, 2016, 05:44:27 AM
.........the rather obvious fact that there are no "arctic" version of the 382, which is an absolute must here.
Since the base 382 is yet to be introduced, I cannot comment on an Arctic version's priority.
However, I am sure that if Stihl intends the 382 for the NorthAm continent, as in the past, variants would be under consideration.
Quote from: joe_indi on October 22, 2016, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 22, 2016, 05:44:27 AM
.........the rather obvious fact that there are no "arctic" version of the 382, which is an absolute must here.
Since the base 382 is yet to be introduced, I cannot comment on an Arctic version's priority.
However, I am sure that if Stihl intends the 382 for the NorthAm continent, as in the past, variants would be under consideration.
Arctic versions are very rare in the US, but no so rare in Canada. Those have been German made though, and as the 382 is made in Brazil I doubt there will be one - as far as I know no Arctic versions have been made there before.
Also, I would be very surprised if the 382 appears on the US market, slightly less surprised if it appears on the Canadian one.
Visited my dealer on Saturday morning. He set aside a MS 461 for me. He also said he was going to Stills annual meeting this Thursday to find out about all their new products and changes. I told him I'd see him again this Saturday to get updated. Then I bought the Stihl cant hook :laugh:
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on October 23, 2016, 08:14:37 PM
...Then I bought the Stihl cant hook :laugh:
Which is actually a rebadged LogRite cant hook.
Quote from: joe_indi on October 21, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: SawTroll on October 21, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
Looks like the 382 has lost almost a pound of weight compared to the 381, but the power specs still are the same 3.9 kW/5.3 hp. That still compares favorably to the 3.6 kW of the 038 Mag II though.
Yes, bore is the same and stroke (maybe ) too. So it delivers 5.3bhp, but how!
The new cylinder and crankcase (interior) designs make a lot of difference in how that 5.3bhp is delivered, with nearly 20% less fuel.
Let it reach the shops here, I will upload some very interesting pictures that would explain the real differences between the 381 and 382, that is if Holmen doesnt beat me to it. :D
Here's some pics of the MS382 Joe, sure looks like a 461 porting to me.
Very nice! ;)
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A few more of those pics Joe. ;)
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Quote from: HolmenTree on October 25, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
A few more of those pics Joe. ;)
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I think your chainsaw has termites moving in Holmen. :D
Quote from: Ada Shaker on October 26, 2016, 12:51:50 AM
I think your chainsaw has termites moving in Holmen. :D
:D I sure hope not
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 26, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
Quote from: Ada Shaker on October 26, 2016, 12:51:50 AM
I think your chainsaw has termites moving in Holmen. :D
:D I sure hope not
I see his little head poking out, might have to call him Wally. :D
To the op... I promise you will love the ms461....I went back and forth about buying a new one.... well long story short I bought one, and got a deal because they didn't have the 441 in stock and that is the saw I set out to buy first.... well let me say I am so HAPPY I got the ms461 over the 441....I use the so so much more than I ever thought I would... it will run the 25" bar in any hardwood like a crazed animal....this thing has so much torque you can pull up on the back handle in a cut and think, *DanG is this saw really eating this 25" like butter... the answer is, YES she does..... I wish I would have bought one as soon as they came out!!!
Also I dont use my 461 everday, but I have spoke to a lot of guys that do, and they say they are VERY reliable!!!
Quote from: khntr85 on October 26, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
To the op... I promise you will love the ms461....I went back and forth about buying a new one.... well long story short I bought one, and got a deal because they didn't have the 441 in stock and that is the saw I set out to buy first.... well let me say I am so HAPPY I got the ms461 over the 441....I use the so so much more than I ever thought I would... it will run the 25" bar in any hardwood like a crazed animal....this thing has so much torque you can pull up on the back handle in a cut and think, *DanG is this saw really eating this 25" like butter... the answer is, YES she does..... I wish I would have bought one as soon as they came out!!!
Also I dont use my 461 everday, but I have spoke to a lot of guys that do, and they say they are VERY reliable!!!
Thank you for your input! Question is, would you wait for the 462 which should be out soon or go for the 461 now?
Me personally, I would get the ms461 as is right now....if the ms462 came out today with the m-trounce, I would still get the regular carb ms461.... I just want an adjustable carb myself....i talked to ALOT of people that own and use these 461s hard everyday, and they love them and say they are tanks..... I was even told the guys who fight the forest fires use the ms461, that alone makes a good statement for the toughness of the saw!!!....also the torque this saw has is unreal....
I am not trying talk you into the saw at all.....its hard telling when and if stihl will release the ms462...with all this said I do believe the ms461 would make your job easier and make you smile!!!
Suppose it comes down to "Do you want to fiddle with cabi settings or do you just want to cut wood?".
i bought a new 461, ported it with a 660 coil, and ran it for a shift. great running saw but didn't take long to miss my husqvarna's. i swear the 461 is worse on the hands then a 660 for me. must be the pitch of the vibrations. it tuned out to 17k happily but i turned her back to 15. occasionally 4 stroked in the cut at that so put her up to 16. i swear it was still rich but i didn't want it to grenade instantly at 17 lol nice torque as well and it would absolutely smoke a ported 372. i switched back to 390 huskies. all the power and smooth. told myself i'm not gonna be switching around with saws anymore. it's all about your preference, if you can handle the stihl vibrations the 461 is a great choice. please don't tell me get a 661. i've owned one as well and the AV is an absolute fail with longer bars. other then the 461 the new saws from stihl are a disappointment.
Man I wish someone around me ran husky so I could see what the 372/390 felt like to me.....as far as messing with the carb settings, 99% of arborist/loggers don't ever touch the settings on the saw!!!!.... yes a few do, but the ones I know put gas and oil in and cut!!!!
Quote from: khntr85 on October 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
Man I wish someone around me ran husky so I could see what the 372/390 felt like to me.....as far as messing with the carb settings, 99% of arborist/loggers don't ever touch the settings on the saw!!!!.... yes a few do, but the ones I know put gas and oil in and cut!!!!
thats right and the m-tronics is constantly adjusting ;) so which is better set it and forget it or constantly adjusting trying to find peak performance ??? :)
thats right and the m-tronics is constantly adjusting ;) so which is better set it and forget it or constantly adjusting trying to find peak performance ??? :)
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Just so I'm understanding you Sandsawmill, you approve of the M-tronics?
no i do not approve of any of the auto tune saws ;) i set mine how i want it ( a little rich according to most folks) and i never have any problems ;D i am running a 441 mag right now and i have adjusted the carb 2 times since i have had the saw once when i got it and once when i put the new cylinder on it a while back (i let the spark plug get loose and blew it out smiley_dunce ::) and couldnt make the heli-coil hold over a week or 2 :-\ ) once you get the carb set it will rarely if ever need adjusting. the auto tune is for the epa not for a better saw ::) i will not have an auto tune saw as long as i can get one thats not but i aint going back to cross cut saw because of it :D this is just my opinion and is worth every penny it cost ;D :)
Well guys I fully approve the M-Tronic/AutoTune technology.
Here's a video of my 5 year old Husqvarna 562XP AutoTune with well over 1500 hours on it and has never had the cylinder removed. Never had to get the AutoTune recalibrated. Only modification is a muffler mod with the spark arrestor screen still retained.
My 12 year old daughter and I made this video in our back yard.
On the saw is a brand new Stihl 23RS .325 chain with a light touch up with a 3/16" file.
https://youtu.be/ROLWSJWyJwQ
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on October 27, 2016, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: khntr85 on October 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
Man I wish someone around me ran husky so I could see what the 372/390 felt like to me.....as far as messing with the carb settings, 99% of arborist/loggers don't ever touch the settings on the saw!!!!.... yes a few do, but the ones I know put gas and oil in and cut!!!!
thats right and the m-tronics is constantly adjusting ;) so which is better set it and forget it or constantly adjusting trying to find peak performance ??? :)
Well sir it seems we think alike lol.... now I am not down grading the auto tune, I mean if he has 1500 hours on that saw with the auto tune that is a big statement.... but for me I like to adjust myself, right or wrong I want to be the only one to blame!!!!
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 25, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
Here's some pics of the MS382 Joe, sure looks like a 461 porting to me.
Very nice! ;)
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Looks like open transfers to me, which usually isn't good - but those are
wide quads, so they may work well with the right duration....
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what is it with this site and upside down pics? i literally rotated that pic 90 cause it was on it's side and it's still on it's side :'(
Very nice pic Big Wood. Where did you find it????
Looks like from Indonesia. I can make out M, 4 and 2 only
Yes it's a long learning curve to post pics here and definition isn't the greatest either.
i didnt see any letters ??? or the chainsaw when i first looked at the pic :o ;D :D :D :D
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on October 28, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
i didnt see any letters ??? or the chainsaw when i first looked at the pic :o ;D :D :D :D
Yeah I noticed that too :D
It looks like Big wood took the picture from a magazine .
The trick is to take a picture with your phone horizontal with the camera lens to the left and the edit icons etc. on the bottom of the picture. Not on top or to the side. This way the picture will always upload on here right side up.
Westcoaster 90 :)
for the record i am not bashing autotune for you guys who dont want to or dont know how to tune its just not for me and that was just my opinion so dont get offended please ;D i am sure i will go to to the autotune some day but as i said it will be when its my only option ;) :)
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 28, 2016, 11:29:35 PM
Westcoaster 90 :)
who's that ;D came from the new 2017 stihl calendar not out to the public yet.
Quote from: Big Wood on October 29, 2016, 02:08:50 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on October 28, 2016, 11:29:35 PM
Westcoaster 90 :)
who's that ;D came from the new 2017 stihl calendar not out to the public yet.
That's awesome. Thanks for the pic, a very big pic with that MS462 badge on the rewind housing :)
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on October 29, 2016, 12:08:39 AM
for the record i am not bashing autotune for you guys who dont want to or dont know how to tune its just not for me and that was just my opinion so dont get offended please ;D i am sure i will go to to the autotune some day but as i said it will be when its my only option ;) :)
I for one totally respect your opinion sandsawmill.
Tuning the carb technique is right up there with free hand filing.
Temperature fluctuations I'm sure are fairly stable in your Tennessee home . But other parts like up in the Midwest or central Plains like where I am , temps can vary from -40 below to +110 above.
I apprenticed in saw tuning on a Jonsereds 621way back in the early 1970s logging for a living :D
Holmen how did you know i free hand file ??? are you watching me ??? :D :D :D
i know you know your saws but i sometimes for get that everyone doesnt know to tune or sharpen a saw.
i am the 4th generation in my family working with timber so i dont remember not knowing alot of this stuff dont :) get me wrong there is more that i dont know than their is that i know ::) but i never really started out new to the woods so i didnt experience what some of these guys starting out go through :) i had to do everything the first time just like every one else but i always had someone with 20-40 yrs experience holding my hand while i did it and that makes a huge difference :)
what i am trying to say is some time i forget that everyone is not lucky as i was and if i sound like i am arguing or being disrespectful i am not meaning to be :)
just wondering how many of you guys ever got tapped on the shoulder while cutting a tree and told saw more to the left or to the right because your cutting to deep on one side and the tree is gonna hang up if you let it go that way ??? :D :D :D but anyway thats how i was taught to cut timber :D :D
Good post! :)
Quote from: Big Wood on October 28, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
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I see the badge says MS462 with no "C"
So non M-Tronic.
wonder what the difference is if its not m-tronic ??? :)
Manually adjusted carb and electronically adjusted ignition timing?
spring mounts is a given
When will this MS462 hit our market!!!! Cuz i'm ready to buy one! :)
I just got a 461 arctic and ordering another one , you will not find any Mtronic's or autotune saws around me that are stock . Both my stihl and husky dealers sure are not in love with these saws you cannot set the carb and my husky dealer sure is happy he can still sell the 365/372 xt cause he has yet to sell a 562 that he has not had trouble with . I will be stock piling a bunch more saws that have a carb on them
Well guys, my dealer cannot get anymore 461 saws. So this leads to the thinking that the 462 is around
the corner ready to be released.
Any thoughts?
I was just in my Stihl dealer the other day and he had a 461 sitting on the shelf, had a $1080 tag on it too. The dealer sells them with some regularly as I see them sitting on his shelves from time to time. I'd love to pick one up but the trees I cut are no where near large enough or numerous to justify the purchase.
Quote from: DelawhereJoe on November 30, 2016, 08:25:58 AM
I was just in my Stihl dealer the other day and he had a 461 sitting on the shelf, had a $1080 tag on it too. The dealer sells them with some regularly as I see them sitting on his shelves from time to time. I'd love to pick one up but the trees I cut are no where near large enough or numerous to justify the purchase.
Hmmm. I'm sure there are a few still left in some places, but $1080? WOW. They were $950 around here. I demand to know when the new saws are coming out!! :D Santa can you hear me!!!! :D
http://www.stihl.co.nz/STIHL-Products/Chainsaws/01573/Professional-Chainsaws.aspx
Go check out these prices....just dial 91 then press the other 1 once you feel the chest pains.
Quote from: DelawhereJoe on December 01, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
http://www.stihl.co.nz/STIHL-Products/Chainsaws/01573/Professional-Chainsaws.aspx
Go check out these prices....just dial 91 then press the other 1 once you feel the chest pains.
LOL Yes that is a big number, but they are in NZ (New Zealand) currency. I believe the rate is 1.73 to US dollars.
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on December 01, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: DelawhereJoe on December 01, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
http://www.stihl.co.nz/STIHL-Products/Chainsaws/01573/Professional-Chainsaws.aspx
Go check out these prices....just dial 91 then press the other 1 once you feel the chest pains.
LOL Yes that is a big number, but they are in NZ (New Zealand) currency. I believe the rate is 1.73 to US dollars.
1.4 at the moment, and everything in NZ has a 15% GST added. If you are a business you can claim that tax back when you make your tax return.
Doesn't mean that aren't still horrendously overpriced of course. ::) :(
I just heard this from the rumor mill last night about specs on the new MS462 .
73.2 cc
6hp/4.4kw
6.2 kg/ 13.6 lbs.
joe_indi, any truth in all this? ???
Why do you think they would drop 4cc's? To make it lighter? I hope I didn't go wrong
buying the 461!
Quote from: HolmenTree on January 18, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
I just heard this from the rumor mill last night about specs on the new MS462 .
73cc
6hp
6.2 kg/ 13.6 lbs.
joe_indi, any truth in all this? ???
Willard, I am a bit out of the Stihl circle over here now and I have not heard anything on the 462 yet.
However several 382s were undergoing trials here and it was also listed in the latest price catalogue with the column for prices carrying the legend "available in Q4" or something similar.
We have two more months in Q4 and are still waiting.
Thanks Joe, if the 73cc spec is true then I can see why the MS441 may be discontinued.
With almost 6 cc difference between the 441 and 461 the 3 cc split in the middle was decided upon.
462 is claimed to be same 6 h.p.as the 461 but a full lb. lighter.
441 is same weight as the 461....
May be another new 85cc Stihl in the works ???
Mr Holmen, those are pretty impressive numbers if they are true. Any word on the anti vibe setup? I have carpal tunnel issues and have not been impressed with the engine on the 372 XP XT.
Grandpa, yes from a google search it has spring antivibe, hopefully better for less vibration and still stout enough for longer b/c.
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on January 18, 2017, 07:04:23 PM
Why do you think they would drop 4cc's? To make it lighter? I hope I didn't go wrong
buying the 461!
Likely not if you don't use it too much, and isn't vibe sensitive. There are signs that they don't stand up very well to sustained pro use though, for a couple of reasons that really should be easy to fix. Anyway, I suspect it was sort of a "stop-gap" model, so they may not bother to fix the issues (big end bearing and piston hitting the inside nipple for the impulse).
Non-pro users seem to be happy with them.
Asked a Stihl representative (not dealer) today about the 462 and he told me that they are coming with a 462 this year but only fitted as a rescue saw, but he expected it would become a standard saw next year but a MS 462 standard saw was not in the pipeline as far as he was informed for 2017.
Hi Guys. Since I started this thread, I thought I would give you an update! I finally got a chance to use my new MS461 with a 20" b/c today. Bucked up some Red Oak & Walnut. Put about 3 tanks thru her so far & she ran great! :) I appreciate all of your helpful info. Also the Pickaroon & Cant Hook are a must!! The measuring stick you see is marked at every 18" for consistent lengths.
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Holmen Tree, sorry I forgot to thank you for your answer.
Your google skills must be better than mine, I couldn't find anything on it. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard, my google skills are pretty feeble. :D
I have been told that the reason that Stihl currently is loosing saw sales in the PNW to the Husky 390xp and 395xp is that that neither the MS661 nor the MS461 is holding up in that environment. It hardly is a coincidence that the development is as it is, with Stihl saws out, and (much older) Husky ones in.
Quote from: Grandpa on January 27, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
Holmen Tree, sorry I forgot to thank you for your answer.
Your google skills must be better than mine, I couldn't find anything on it. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard, my google skills are pretty feeble. :D
Grandpa, that's s beautiful pile of firewood you have there and a really nice saw!
Pickaroon work great. For the smaller rounds have you tried a pair of tongs? I use my tongs more then my pickaroon .
Here's a pic of the MS462 spring mount up front much the same design as the Husqvarna 395XP so it should handle a long bar and chain. Not sure about the rear mounts.
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Mr. Holmen, you are confused, that is neither my firewood nor my saw. Credit goes to Woodburner19.
For me, av mounts are pretty simple, bad hands and 20" bars dictate soft springs.
Quote from: Grandpa on January 28, 2017, 07:28:20 AM
Mr. Holmen, you are confused, that is neither my firewood nor my saw. Credit goes to Woodburner19.
For me, av mounts are pretty simple, bad hands and 20" bars dictate soft springs.
Oops, :D :)
Sawtroll, I find that remark quite false. I make my living running saws everyday all year long and there is NO WAY your going to tell me that the 327 is the better in quality than the 461 , its not . There is a ton of 461's around here as that is what most loggers run and no one is having any trouble , can you say the same with the 390's , no you cannot cause their spinning the crank bearings in the crankcase and on the crank so bad that dealers are taking brand new 390's a part trying to fix that problem before the saw is sold . Now this is only on the latest new 390's , if you own a older 390 they donot seem to have that problem. , Husky needs to address some problems real fast or their going to be left on the side of the road wondering what went wrong . Your going on what you read on the internet not real first hand information ,
Woodburner , it takes a few more tanks before your saw seats the rings good , this last 461 Im running right now has 3 days logging on it and its still gaining
WoodBurner19,on my 372,to the end of the bar to straight mark on the cover is 2 feet. My Efco I have to use a paint marker for 2 feet. Don't need a stick this way. One less thing for me to lose and keep track of. ;D
Crank bearing spins are not limited to Huskys. I see a lot of it on Stihl 460 and 461 here.
I think it happens from fine saw dust or resin entering the crankcase.the bearings get gummy and the outers spin in their seats.
The remedy is new cast iron bearing seats that outlive the saws.
But it is a bit tricky because there is a risk of the left and right seats going out of alignment, which could cause the crankshaft to become tight. In which case the crank bearings have a very short life.
I get it done a specially made jig that ensures the seats are perfectly aligned
Quote from: thecfarm on January 28, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
WoodBurner19,on my 372,to the end of the bar to straight mark on the cover is 2 feet. My Efco I have to use a paint marker for 2 feet. Don't need a stick this way. One less thing for me to lose and keep track of. ;D
I know I need a better marking system. Is there anything that attaches to the saw?
that's s beautiful pile of firewood you have there and a really nice saw!
Pickaroon work great. For the smaller rounds have you tried a pair of tongs? I use my tongs more then my pickaroon .
Thanks! Just trying to stay ahead for once! What kind of tongs are good?
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on January 28, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
that's s beautiful pile of firewood you have there and a really nice saw!
Pickaroon work great. For the smaller rounds have you tried a pair of tongs? I use my tongs more then my pickaroon .
Thanks! Just trying to stay ahead for once! What kind of tongrs are good?
These ones I got are what Husqvarna sells. I have a couple of older Stihl ones and they are just as good if not a little better quality.
2 sizes . These are the large size.
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Quote from: SawTroll on January 27, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
I have been told that the reason that Stihl currently is loosing saw sales in the PNW to the Husky 390xp and 395xp is that that neither the MS661 nor the MS461 is holding up in that environment. It hardly is a coincidence that the development is as it is, with Stihl saws out, and (much older) Husky ones in.
Hearsay - the currency of a true "
troll", inadmissible in court, worthless. Any facts to support this? I'd love to see them. I try to keep my mind open.
Quote from: HolmenTree on January 28, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: WoodBurner19 on January 28, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
that's s beautiful pile of firewood you have there and a really nice saw!
Pickaroon work great. For the smaller rounds have you tried a pair of tongs? I use my tongs more then my pickaroon .
Thanks! Just trying to stay ahead for once! What kind of tongrs are good?
These ones I got are what Husqvarna sells. I have a couple of older Stihl ones and they are just as good if not a little better quality.
2 sizes . These are the large size.
Well then I will order a pair of Stihl's and let ya know what I think.
Thanks for your knowledge! :)
Woodsburner19 and grandpa,
Here's how the Swedes handle wood.
These pics are from 1975.
Pulp hook in the left hand and tongs in the right.
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