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repurpose for old band blades.
« on: September 29, 2022, 12:23:43 PM »
I was looking at some old bands.  not worth sharpening again or broken or bent.  i have watches some of the forged in fire, (until it turned into more of a man drama).  Could a person make a Damascus blade with layers of the band.  not sure about the type of steel and other issues layering this.  I have friends who want to try making blades, and it would be a new life for the steel.  I am not comfortable tossing stuff in a recycle bin, as I do not know who or how it will be processed and handled down the line.  any other uses?
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 01:41:19 PM »
I don't see why it wouldn't work. 

I've made a few small carving tools from old blades. Just watch that the steel isn't fatigued, and starting to crack.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2022, 02:17:32 PM »
I have made several knifes out of broken band saw blades by cutting and grinding with an angle grinder.  They make OK knives for rough work but they are to thick to make a nice kitchen knife.  Since they don't make good kitchen knives I have never really tested their edge holding ability but my guess it they would need more frequent sharpening than a somewhat quality kitchen knife.

If you don't want to recycle them because you are worried about them springing out and hurting someone you can break them into 1 foot pieces before you toss them.  That way they can't spring out and cut someone.

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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2022, 03:56:26 PM »
Actually band steel is good quality, it takes and holds an edge well. I hate stainless steel kitchen knives.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2022, 08:27:40 PM »
yes I break them up, but I imagen (and know of) some folks with disability and or drug/alcohol issues working in the facilities.  I have then wrapped the bundle in elec. tape, but then wonder if someone has to unwrap and take apart.  I was thinking of forging them into a thicker blade.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2022, 09:12:30 PM »
Has anyone tried to harden a blade? 
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2022, 07:46:07 AM »
I have seen when they make the Damascus blade they forge then fold over and over again the metal like a pastry ect.  so I though why not start with 10 layers in the beginning.  i am sure there are problems like coatings on the band, impurities ect.  It would be quite the item,  fixed blade knife made from old band saw blades.  many use regular saw blade material.  I understand but have no experience with hardening metal.  I do not know enough about metalurgy and the make up of the blades.  of course they harden the tips on our bands, but what kind of edge all of the above will make, I do not know.  prob. only one way to find out.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 08:57:23 AM »
I know little of the metallurgy, but a friend has been making specialty knives for a while with these blades, and when he can find them, gang saw blades.  His process is the same as starting with raw steel.   He anneals, works the blade, and re hardens. He prefers Damascus blades.  He has edge harden some, but it leaves the blade too flexible.  He also makes knives out of railroad spikes, really crude looking blades.  Oh, and he has a triphammer that takes the work out of it. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 09:05:25 AM »
I know for forge welding, they add flux to bar oxidation and impurities, so did not know if the powder flux has to be used between the layers.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2022, 09:07:56 AM »
I might just set some stuff up, heat and pound and see what happens.  smiley_carpenter_hit_thumb smiley_smash bon_fire
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2022, 10:46:36 AM »
if I had a forge I would try it

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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2022, 10:49:38 AM »
  I have given many to a friend who wanted them for his brother and dad to make fillet knives out of. He finally turned me off on more for a while as he had all he needed. I have not seen the finished product yet.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2022, 11:54:18 AM »
I gave a guy a bad band once, he made a filet knife, but said that it wouldn't hold an edge.

I may take a piece and attempt to harden it when I get a chance. 

I intend to get it nice and red (heat to a magnet does not stick to it), then quench in corn oil.  To see what happens. 

I have no idea what kind of steel the bands are made from, different steels can be oil, water, or air hardening. Mild steel doesn't have enough carbon in it to harden it.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2022, 03:56:51 PM »
I'm pretty sure it was Woodmizer .055 blades I used to make carving tools. It's been a while. Every brand of band I've ever used has hardened teeth, that tells me the steel is hardenable. 

Dan, maybe that guy didn't retemper that blade, and just ground the profile of the knife on it? The body of a band is a spring temper I think, a little harder than completely annealed but much softer than a cutting edge should be. 

All of this is making me want to buy one of those little propane forges off Amazon and make some more tools😊
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2022, 10:11:31 PM »
Rumor has it WM bands are 15n20 steel.  Again a rumor as WM will not comment other than it is similar.  That steel is often used in Damascus layered with another steel.

Matt Parkinson, the first winner of Forged in Fire taught a week long course at Eureka Springs School of the Arts which I attended a few years ago.  A whole week of pounding iron.  I decided I liked the stock removal method better....  The school usually has a couple of weekend knife making classes in the year with excellent teachers.  Not to far for you to travel Doc.

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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2022, 10:19:43 PM »
Dan, maybe that guy didn't retemper that blade, and just ground the profile of the knife on it? 
I doubt that he attempted to harden it. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2022, 10:28:08 PM »
You can harden in canola oil just fine, forget used motor oil.  After that temper in a toaster oven at 400 degrees for a hour or two.  I use McMaster Carr 11 second oil to harden.
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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2022, 12:08:47 PM »
If you guys have the ability to watch any of the forged in fire you really should. It is very educational and the best and only reality show I will watch. 

It is not like normal reality shows where it is all drama and cutthroat attacks. Most of the time the competitors will actually help each other out.

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Re: repurpose for old band blades.
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2022, 09:45:14 AM »
You can oil harden any steel if the carbon content is high enough .The trick is annealing it back so it isn't brittle .Just prove a point I hardened a piece of mild steel and used the age old method of inducing carbon using brown sugar and made a lathe tool from it .Took it to work and cut mild steel with it .
Some of these methods in a modern world have been long forgotten but they still work .
Just so you know some of these wild methods I use are not my ideas .In my teenaged years with long hair and a black motorcycle jacket those tough old WW2 and WW1 vets took me under wing taught me a lot and I didn't forget it .That's the way it was in the 60's .60 years later I find myself being the old vet . ;D

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2022, 10:11:10 AM »
As far as actual "Damascus " that goes way back in history and the methods from all over the known world .To simplify it it's just hammer forging welding  layer upon layer of hard and softer steel together to form it .In between heats the blade blank was buried in the charcoal or coke fire bed where it absorbed some of the carbon .Interesting but it would take a month of Sundays to do .


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